Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion

[predator]

They are more emotionally connected to him by going to the games more often. OT and managers is a strong bond. And then there are also the majority of guys who follow him because a group of supporters love Ole. There are plenty who are against him or have doubts, but stay quiet or sing with becasue that is what most do.

Most online fans dont have the patience, but they are also more objective and arent spouting some BS agenda to suit their fairytale world. And it is easier to say your opinion online than in real life.

At the end of the day, Ole will get sacked and the fans will realise he isnt good enough. Doubts are creeping in already, you can defend him to some extent, but in the end, even the biggest delusional fans will turn, even if reluctant. Maybe not everyone, but the majority. I bet there are still guys that think the chosen one and the past it one deserved more time.

When I go to OT I feel like the players, manager and general staff get a false sense of security from the crowds reaction. Seeing the player praising the crowd on social media after a, lets face it, disappointing result is all too common nowadays. What 70k people do in that stadium overpowers the millions of fans outside of it.

Even tonight the love given to the players and the songs sung about Ole was just baffling given we drew at home against wolves. I'm not one for booing, I actually just stand there at matches and swear and shout now and then, but I feel that the OT crowd is not doing the club any good when they are accepting mediocrity.

 

[BusbyMalone]

There's no other "big club" that i can think of that makes the game of football look so hard. It's an absolute chore to watch and it looks like an absolute chore to play. There's such a lack of identity and plan going forward that it leaves the players completely dumbfounded, which results in them looking like you just gave each one of them a rubix cube to solve.

They're forever getting in each others way (as witnessed by Martial taking the ball off Mata), so as a result there's no fecker to pass to as they're in each others' pocket. Complete shambles.

 

[Escobar]

idk, we just won at Ethiad again

Against a City team that didnt have to play much. Everyone gets the odd result, even Ole. Besides that, his record is a shocking

 

[Eriku]

I’m not telling you why, you just posted a cliche, teams play like it’s a cup final. That used to be true, it isn’t now. We’ve drawn and lost plenty of games this season to teams who didn’t play like a cup final. They just had a plan, knew our limitations and it worked.

You said I posted a cliche based on the idea of what we used to be. You’re telling me I’m just repeating shit I’ve heard without taking into account our present circumstance. That implication is hard to deny, and I am telling you you’re wrong on that point. Believe it or not. If that implication was unintended I’m willing to buy that. Either way I’m ready to move on.

Anyway, whether teams focus more, work harder and generally raise their game against us is hard to back up or refute, so we’ll just have to disagree on that point. Like I said, I find it hard to believe that players don’t find it easier to motivate themselves to put in a shift against us than against most other teams in the league. Again, not claiming absolute certainty, and I don’t belittle anyone for thinking otherwise. I may well be entirely wrong.

 

[Jericholyte2]

Against a City team that didnt have to play much. Everyone gets the odd result, even Ole. Besides that, his record is a shocking

Odd result...it was the second win at the Etihad in 6wks!

 

[Rash Decision]

There's no other "big club" that i can think of that makes the game of football look so hard. It's an absolute chore to watch and it looks like an absolute chore to play. There's such a lack of identity and plan going forward that it leaves the players completely dumbfounded, which results in them looking like you just gave each one of them a rubix cube to solve.

They're forever getting in each others way (as witnessed by Martial taking the ball off Mata), so as a result there's no fecker to pass to as they're in each others' pocket. Complete shambles.

I think the team would benefit from a manager that would coach his players to "pass from A to B" (sorry, don't quite know how to put it). Mourinho proudly proclaimed that he doesn't, and we all witnessed how incoherent his Utd team often was. OGS saying the same thing soon after he took over should have raised red flags.

 

[Womp]

Odd result...it was the second win at the Etihad in 6wks!

We were dominated for the most part and it was a second leg where we still lost out to to getting fecked in the first leg. We won a completely pointless game. That certainly makes up for the fact that Sheffield United are above us in the league, whilst playing better football, that we haven't won a game or even scored a goal in 3 in the premier league etc.

 

[mu4c_20le]

We were dominated for the most part and it was a second leg where we still lost out to to getting fecked in the first leg. We won a completely pointless game. That certainly makes up for the fact that Sheffield United are above us in the league, whilst playing better football, that we haven't won a game or even scored a goal in 3 in the premier league etc.

A derby is never pointless, especially at home (for them).

 

[Di Maria's angel]

I'll tell you why he's an absurdly shit manager and the worst in our recent history. Because on Wednesday, he played for damage limitation in a game where we needed multiple goals to secure a place at Wembley. Instead, we played like utter fecking cowards like we do most games and a majority of our fans lapped up a pathetic performance in maybe the most useless win our history.

 

[Di Maria's angel]

A derby is never pointless, especially at home (for them).

Yes, it is. For heavens sake, how pathetic have we become? City made it to Wembley yet we're acting as if we won the final. We're literally becoming everything we feared - celebrating shit wins against the actual big teams of the league.

 

[Alabaster Codify7]

Meltdown aside, the biggest criticism of Jose was his inability and unwillingness to coach attacking football. Jose teams were defensive and relied upon individual brilliance to score. Sound familiar? It fecking well should because that is EXACTLY what we're seeing now under Ole. He spent his entire summer budget on the defence and prioritised being defensively sound over everything else. He has spent the entire season relying upona moment of brilliance from Rashford, mainly. Now Rashy is injured, surprise surprise, we cannot buy a fecking goal from open play. Why? Because Ole has no idea how to drill our remainign players to score goals.

He is literally doing everything that Jose was crucified for, but he smiles for the cameras and talks about 'the lads' and 'the boys' so all is well.

Joke club.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

I did notice that you used Lahm, Rafael and O'Shea but didn't use our current squad players, why not go for Gomes?

Why not take one of our players and fill in the holes in midfield it's like missing the floor having a piss or forgetting to WIPE your arse, please note that in my personal opinion the forward three was the problem...

I'm not getting paid millions a year to manage the club and I have no access to the training ground.

What I can say though from watching games, is that Andreas is a complete liability so it certainly wouldn't be him I'd use time and time again.

 

[DickDastardly]

Nope. Woodward out first and all his team of 'experts' and then get rid of Ole.

Don't save that twat again by sacking Ole. Get him out and then replace Ole.

The topic is not about Woodward or the Glazers. It's about mr. Solskjaer.

And the fact we have nothing, no identity, no clear tactics in anything we do as a team.

That's not on Ed or the owners.

You can't beat all the people with the same stick.
Team play and tactics shown on the pitch have nothing to do with Woodward or the Glazers family.

It's all on Ole and his coaching staff. Period.

And we suck.

Injuries aside, lack of players aside....we suck.

An odd win here and there can't mask that.

And the fact that there is NO progress what so ever in the last 20 games is worrying.

Enough to think, "hey, maybe this just isn't working".

 

[Rash Decision]

Meltdown aside, the biggest criticism of Jose was his inability and unwillingness to coach attacking football. Jose teams were defensive and relied upon individual brilliance to score. Sound familiar? It fecking well should because that is EXACTLY what we're seeing now under Ole. He spent his entire summer budget on the defence and prioritised being defensively sound over everything else. He has spent the entire season relying upona moment of brilliance from Rashford, mainly. Now Rashy is injured, surprise surprise, we cannot buy a fecking goal from open play. Why? Because Ole has no idea how to drill our remainign players to score goals.

He is literally doing everything that Jose was crucified for, but he smiles for the cameras and talks about 'the lads' and 'the boys' so all is well.

Joke club.

I think the difference is that Mourinho is a defensive manager. He cannot coach attack because it literally isn't his focus. With OGS, when he first came I thought people were talking about how he focused on attack, combination play and stuff like that. The fact that we don't see it now suggests to me that either (a) he can't coach it at PL level, or (b) his players are just completely unable to play that way (which I think is highly unlikely).

 

[Womp]

A derby is never pointless, especially at home (for them).

We got no points from it, we didn't go any further in a competition for it. It might as well have been a friendly. It achieved nothing, they lost nothing by losing, except maybe bragging rights (if you could even say that, considering how they dominated us in the game and in the first leg, regardless of the result)

 

[Leftback99]

We've got no goals in our front 3 whatsoever. It's all too predictable.

 

[Eddy_JukeZ]

Some of our fans deserve this man as our manager.

We're now celebrating a win vs City that still knocked us out from the cup and we didn't even play that well.

Standards have dropped to an all-time low.

 

[Litch]

I think he's just holding the thing together until the summer......

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

I did not assume Poch couldn’t do better, I’m saying if people judge Ole as being unsuited for the job because we’re underperforming compared to Sheffield United, then I wonder why they don’t apply the same standard to Poch, who did worse this season with a squad that somehow was good enough to reach a CL final.

Because this wasn't Poch's first season maybe? Because we know full well what Poch can do?

Because Poch only got 12 PL games before he got the boot, less than half of what Ole has been given.

 

[sunama]

We only played 25 games in the league so far so not sure why last season's results are being used. 9 wins in 25, only three behind Chelsea.

Lampard is a new manager for CFC.
He had no Summer transfer window.
First season as manager in the EPL.

Considering all this, he is still beating the experienced Ole.
Ole, btw, started management, at the same time as Pep Guardiola.

 

[C'est Moi Cantona]

The topic is not about Woodward or the Glazers. It's about mr. Solskjaer.

And the fact we have nothing, no identity, no clear tactics in anything we do as a team.

That's not on Ed or the owners.

You can't beat all the people with the same stick.
Team play and tactics shown on the pitch have nothing to do with Woodward or the Glazers family.

It's all on Ole and his coaching staff. Period.

And we suck.

Injuries aside, lack of players aside....we suck.

An odd win here and there can't mask that.

And the fact that there is NO progress what so ever in the last 20 games is worrying.

Enough to think, "hey, maybe this just isn't working".

Well it should be, every thread about Ole, they deserve ten more.

 

[Alabaster Codify7]

Some of our fans deserve this man as our manager.

We're now celebrating a win vs City that still knocked us out from the cup and we didn't even play that well.

Standards have dropped to an all-time low.

Incredibly depressing mate, isn't it.

Last time I checked, City were in the final and nailed on to win the trophy. Whereas we are potless and sliding further and further down the table, but yeah, all is well because we nicked a consolation victory.

 

[InspiRED]

Totally agree. Never saw it with him either and had loads of discussions with those totally convinced his natural position is as a striker. I just don't get what they saw in him to think he would be great there long term.

i was/am one of the ones who rated Martial as a #9. He does have all the attributes apart from attitude. Cool, composed finisher. Does have goals core instinct ie. gambles in the box. Electric pace and incredible close control. His attitude and temperament has always been the letdown. But with that crock currently surrounding him, particularly poorly coached and allergic to genuine chance creation, it’s understandable his already poor attitude plummets further.

Re: Ole I tried being positive for a bit I really did. His post match interviews now though are becoming severely moyesesque and possibly even worse. It’s irritating. I find it hard to fathom the rationale behind going into the season light up top and that’s why I made bit of a point of the fact we are now in for ighalo as clear as day proof that that exact failure of planning has come back to bite him/us on the arse.

pic he’s capable of this lack of oversight with that, then he’s absolutely capable of thinking his paces counter attack tactic, when he has all the players he wants and fit, is somehow going to drive us to some success. Coming to realise that what we are seeing week in and week out is the plan. It’s just a shite one.

I think he’s prob a good man manager and good at keeping the morale up with th e kids. That’s about it though, he’s so clearly outof his depth now it’s unreal. And his backers slavish dedication to his cause is now turning from dogmatically irksome, to just plain sort of odd and a bit pitiful now. Pray that it at least gets sorted at the end of the season

not sure how many more ‘shows how well the lads are doing.... kept a clean sheet against wolves at home’ more I can take.

 

[sunama]

I think he's just holding the thing together until the summer......

We don't know that for sure.
Woodward will want to try and appease the fans by spending the bare minimum. That's the target. And Ole is helping him to do this.
Any other manager with such a low win rate, would have fans up in arms, but with Ole, he can draw and lose, but fans keep backing him.

We have recently bought Bruno. We have just seen him used as a CDM.
I don't think that Ole knows what he is doing.

 

[Mainoldo]

I think he's just holding the thing together until the summer......

Holding the thing together until we can put him out of his misery surely.

 

[Eriku]

Because this wasn't Poch's first season maybe? Because we know full well what Poch can do?

Because Poch only got 12 PL games before he got the boot, less than half of what Ole has been given.

Just saying, when that gets tossed in as a knock-out argument, as if that alone is sufficient evidence... people shouldn’t be speaking in absolutes like that.

Also, why does nobody wonder WHY Spurs fell so hard from grace? It happened to Carrick after the 09 final against Barca, he was a shadow the following season. Spurs were collectively out of it after coming so close, whereas United are in a malaise that’s surely partially due to an even bigger event: losing our talismanic manager after 27 years. There’s every chance that Poch would be in over his head too.

Not saying that makes me go "do not want", I just want a bit more humility and less certainty in people’s rhetoric on the Caf. Not holding my breath, mind...

 

[TsuWave]

I’ll never quite understand just how he’s still got so much support.

scored an important goal 20 years ago

 

[Paul_Scholes18]

I think one thing that saves Ole in the eyes of the majority is that we are so bad regulary.
Thus fans start to expect us to not attack well and lower the bar for Ole. It was similar under LVG a lot too when we played so shit too.
Under Moyes we often played well in certain games that gave us hope only to get totally destroyed by a big rival.
Under Mourinho we had games scoring lots of goals and playing well in attack too.

There is less anger towards him since people just expect shit and getting 1 point then is seen as ok .
I am personally not really angry today since my prediction was a 0-0 draw before the game. It was one of the most predictable results this week in my opinion given how few goals we score and also that Wolves often draw games. Although I hoped Bruno could make a difference to that.
Looking at the bigger picture it is very obvious that he is not good enough. The coaching when it comes to our attacking play has not been good enough and there is no evidence for any changes for the better. We could see it already last season near the end once Pogba dropped in form and we could barely create chances without his brilliance.

 

[Di Maria's angel]

We've got no goals in our front 3 whatsoever. It's all too predictable.

We've also got the leagues worst manager.

 

[InspiRED]

But it is a cliche, teams get points against us because they play like it’s a cup final. It’s based on the idea of Utd, what we used
to be not the reality, not what is actually in the pitch each week.

We’ve just lost to Burnley and drawn with Wolves, not scored a goal, hardly created any chances, neither team had to play out of their skin or had to fight for their lives to do it.

yeah Nevez after the game today ‘we were disappointed not to win’. 1 win in 2020 and people think playing us is a big deal. Yeah right, when we have to play City it’s 90 minutes of chasing shadows. We are rank average at best.

 

[sunama]

My question to you or any other Ole supporter. Why would I give the job of the biggest club in the world to someone who has a small CV like him. He never did anything good outside of Norway and there the quality of football is below the premiership. Why city and Liverpool have proven managers who won big titles and reached CL finals, why we have a manager who his best premier league experience is relegating a team?

I'd like to see an Ole supporter please answer this.

 

[predator]

There's no other "big club" that i can think of that makes the game of football look so hard. It's an absolute chore to watch and it looks like an absolute chore to play. There's such a lack of identity and plan going forward that it leaves the players completely dumbfounded, which results in them looking like you just gave each one of them a rubix cube to solve.

They're forever getting in each others way (as witnessed by Martial taking the ball off Mata), so as a result there's no fecker to pass to as they're in each others' pocket. Complete shambles.

This perfectly sums up my reaction to the game tonight aswell as many other games, mainly at home for some reason. Theres no order to our play yet it is so predictable, whether its AWB crossing it to nobody, Martial being completely nullified by centre backs, every player losing the ball around the 18 yard box, corners/wide FKs ending up benefitting the opposition and a surge of pressure from the 10 outfield players in the last 15 mins.

It's painful to watch. It's not like the standard of football is universally decreasing. The coaching is diabolical.

 

[hobbers]

How can anyone watch us in the Prem this season and think this side is going anyway under this manager?

Coaching. Formations. Tactical approaches. Substitutions.

Awful, awful, awful, awful.

 

[Nou_Camp99]

The topic is not about Woodward or the Glazers. It's about mr. Solskjaer.

And the fact we have nothing, no identity, no clear tactics in anything we do as a team.

That's not on Ed or the owners.

You can't beat all the people with the same stick.
Team play and tactics shown on the pitch have nothing to do with Woodward or the Glazers family.

It's all on Ole and his coaching staff. Period.

And we suck.

Injuries aside, lack of players aside....we suck.

An odd win here and there can't mask that.

And the fact that there is NO progress what so ever in the last 20 games is worrying.

Enough to think, "hey, maybe this just isn't working".

It's not working mate. Nobody disagrees. But if Ole goes and say Poch comes in......the cretins running this club (you know the reason we had to scrape the barrell on deadline day) will be let off the hook AGAIN!!!!

Get Woodward and Judge out and Ole won't last 2 mins anyway. Sack Ole and guess what? Nothing changes above the Manager. feck that. Regime change needed

 

[fergosaurus]

Some of our fans deserve this man as our manager.

We're now celebrating a win vs City that still knocked us out from the cup and we didn't even play that well.

Standards have dropped to an all-time low.

When Solskjaer is smiling and bragging about beating City twice in six weeks in a press conference gullible people will lap it up. He said it's tough to beat City twice in ten years never mind six weeks. He's gone full David Brent now, there's no turning back.

The reality is City dominated both games and missed a boatload of chances in the second leg and at no point did we look like equilising.

 

[Big Ben Foster]

yeah Nevez after the game today ‘we were disappointed not to win’. 1 win in 2020 and people think playing us is a big deal. Yeah right, when we have to play City it’s 90 minutes of chasing shadows. We are rank average at best.

Tragic. Wasn't that long ago when teams would celebrate draws at Old Trafford like they won the league.

 

[Paul_Scholes18]

I'd like to see an Ole supporter please answer this.

Sometimes someone can be very good at something without having proven that before. Everyone is a noob at one point and people can grow and get better at what they do. Going for experience might be the safe call, but not always the right one. Barca and Madrid got it right with Pep and Zidane who had no experience.

Problem with Ole is that he has shown very little here so far. We are not playing well or improving under him. I don't see a plan that can take us towards the top or skills in him that can make him a top manager for us. It was the same with LVG who had a big CV. Giving Ole the chance was not insanly stupid, but now when it has failed we must fire him and bring someone else in. Just sticking with something that is not working will never take us far. I guess if we hire a leadership coach to improve Ole things might work out though . Although I expect him to talk with SAF anyway and get some coaching from him .

 

[Roboc7]

You said I posted a cliche based on the idea of what we used to be. You’re telling me I’m just repeating shit I’ve heard without taking into account our present circumstance. That implication is hard to deny, and I am telling you you’re wrong on that point. Believe it or not. If that implication was unintended I’m willing to buy that. Either way I’m ready to move on.

Anyway, whether teams focus more, work harder and generally raise their game against us is hard to back up or refute, so we’ll just have to disagree on that point. Like I said, I find it hard to believe that players don’t find it easier to motivate themselves to put in a shift against us than against most other teams in the league. Again, not claiming absolute certainty, and I don’t belittle anyone for thinking otherwise. I may well be entirely wrong.

It’s no different to a Utd watching the Burnley game and saying don’t worry we always score or always come back etc. It’s based on Fergie’s Utd. That’s been and gone, these kind of cliches and nostalgia are lazy excuses.

 

[Roboc7]

yeah Nevez after the game today ‘we were disappointed not to win’. 1 win in 2020 and people think playing us is a big deal. Yeah right, when we have to play City it’s 90 minutes of chasing shadows. We are rank average at best.

Exactly it’s clinging to the past and making excuses for our failures. Wolves didn’t play that well tonight and go away disappointed.

 

[InspiRED]

Exactly it’s clinging to the past and making excuses for our failures. Wolves didn’t play that well tonight and go away disappointed.

It was funny when he said it because straight away he had this reaction where he corrected himself due to the historical context, because he realised what he’d just honestly said had ‘political’ implications. Like it’s almost kind of rude to go to Old Trafford and expect to win. He changed it to ‘because of course we want to win every game’.

That’s our fear factor now. When teams play City and the dippers, they do raise their game. Part of it is genuine fear of humiliation. There’s every chance they could put 6 or 7 past you and playing teams on that level is gonna be intimidating. The fear creates an atmosphere. Atmosphere at many of our games though is often complete damp squib. It’s two mid table plodders dragging out a nil nil draw. One of the most worrying signs for me, because psychologically we are just gone now. Fragmented. It will take a while to get that back but I got no faith Ole can do it.