The Etihad is owned by the City Council.
Old Trafford revamp/could be torn down and rebuilt according to Glazer plans
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The Etihad is owned by the City Council.
Surely we will have the cheese room?
We blew them away extended our stadium whilst they stood still. Let's hope this isn't some bizarre alternate reality where the same could happen to us.
So Etihad has naming rights with City Council or Mancity? Because in case we do end up sharing it, it will be interesting to see what name it will be when we play there
The issue with big overhaul is that it's likely to cost as much if not more than a new stadium for a result that isn't as good. At least that's how I understand it.
You make good points but I fully understand the logistics and level of planning needed for a job like this. That’s why its clear that this is complete BS. There are already commitments to make developments at Old Trafford with a few planning permissions already submitted and detailed on the Man Utd official website. They would not be planning improvements on the current stadium if they truly wanted to tear it down.
Even without going to tender, they could communicate their vision is to rebuild the stadium, they won’t commit though which is how I know they aren’t serious and that is what I mean by just do it. Likewise there are already commitments to improve the training complex. Our debt has just gone up to 500m due to more money being borrowed in COVID.
I don’t work in finance but can easily determine that we do not have the funds to do this. It actually sounds eerily similar to companies on the brink of collapse who trot out some lines about how the future is bright and possible plans. Then they get some more investment and suddenly fold.
It could have the original name or do it like Milan, San Siro( AC Milan) and Giuseppe Meazza(Inter).
Of course they will get some loans that's not the point. The point is about choosing between a big overhaul and a new stadium, there is a reason why most clubs go with a new stadium, it's more cost efficient and whoever build that kind of project is bothered by that unless they are irresponsible.
As sidestep to the main issue but i wish they would rethink the extra disabled allocation behind the goal. Attacking and scoring that side feels a bit underwhleming now
Indeed. Rushed through without being properly thought-out. They're a mess.
Would love a new stadium.
Aren't there some desperately needed repairs on the cards? I agree that a complete rebuild is unlikely but that doesn't mean it can;t be exploredl
Wouldn't that just generate the usual criticism? I can't see them doing that.
Our total debt servicing ratio is pretty good even with the debt because the club makes a lot of money. Plus, corporate debt is less impactful than the personal kind. Knowing the Glazers and the American approach to sports stadiums they are probably trying to convince the city of Manchester to fund a large part of it.
This is technically correct but it's not entirely relevant. Manchester City lease the stadium fully, they cover all operational costs, all maintenance costs and they covered all of the redevelopment costs when they expanded the stadium and built their training ground there. It's not akin the the West Ham deal where they essentially rent the stadium for a set number of days per year, for all intents and purposes, they are the owners for the next 240 odd years.
A new stadium brings in more revenue. But the Camp Nou despite not being knocked down will generate millions per anum. By an overhaul, we're talking an almost total rebuild. But I don't think that's an option. Anyway I think revenue from a complete rebuild could offerset the loans (I'm no expert, though).
Even if this shit is true, which i highly doubt, high chance they will pick option that favors short term gain, which wont be best option overall.
Might as well give it a new moniker too, I suggest "theatre of memes" given how shit we are these days.
Mate, guaranteed if they tear it down and build a new stadium, it's getting a sponsorship name.
I would be for a decent revamp and not a complete new soulless round thing.
Northern cheese is generally mild and namby pamby. Except for proper Lancashire, which is fab.
Can they please add some hot air fans to blow hot air through the stands during a cold day? Nearly froze to death my last visit.
Yes your right, the debt servicing ratio is good right now but we are on course to finish outside of top 4. A few more seasons like this and suddenly it might become difficult to demonstrate the ability to pay back a new 500m + loan, which is what would roughly be needed for a new stadium.
Fair enough, that’s a good thought. I could absolutely see them trying to secure investment for a new stadium. As you say either from the council or maybe some kind of sponsor. It’s just got to the stage with them that I just don’t believe a word they say anymore, only actions will do for me at this point.
I guess a lot of my scepticism comes from me believing that they want out but just can’t sell the club for what they want. Perhaps the old stadium is scaring away buyers though. That could be a possible motivation to renew it. Time will tell I suppose..
Bald Trafford, featuring Erik ten Hag
Thankfully OT will never be bulldozed, would cost way too much. Not to mention it would be trading one of the most historic and iconic stadiums in world sport for another bowl that looks like 50 others.
Or they could build a new ground adjacent to the current ground and not have to move. It'd still be Old Trafford.
Indeed. Trouble is, it isn’t actually in the City of Manchester.
And no, it isn’t in Salford either.
That would be the ideal solution, but I assume they don't own enough land to make it viable.
Enough land to build an entirely new stadium while leaving Old Trafford untouched and usable throughout the development?
This would be the best option, we get to carry on playing at Old Trafford with bit of disruption whilst we get a brand new stadium next door.
Could they just add to the existing stadium to bring it up to circa 90k?
Big no. I get it is not as nice as some other stadiums looking at new and modern stuff but there is always something special going into Old Trafford. Develop it and fix the problems. Not the stadium as whole.
Yes. I think they own most of the land around the ground. Besides the car park is big enough.
Thank you. I've had a shit day but this has just made me chuckle . Nice one.
Like someone else has said the Glazers will go for the cheapest option. I hope it stays where it is and is still called Old Trafford couldn't be doing with a Nike Stadium or Adidas whatever.
They've torn the football side of things, looks like it's time to torn the stadium.
Can't even upgrade training grounds to a modern state, but they'll suddenly build a whole new Old Trafford...
Can't even upgrade training grounds to a modern state, but they'll suddenly build a whole new Old Trafford...
They'd have to extend out over the railway track, which is not a trivial undertaking. I'm not sure that extension alone really solves the underlying problem either, which is more one of a decrepit structure and badly outdated facilities.
Would rather play on a Sunday league pitch.
Good news. Be interested to see what they go for.
Personally don’t see the issue with sorting the South or even if a bit tricky.
Personally don’t see the issue with sorting the South or even if a bit tricky.