Old Trafford extension

WeasteDevil said:
Look at picture 4 Andy, on the right, surely that is one going up there?
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could just be the foundation dig they're doing, don't know off the pics, but I'm going down tomorrow night now instead of tonight cos my mate fancies seeing it too...

WeasteDevil said:
As for your deception, you could try, but surely you would need a pass? And you might get arrested for trespass. :)
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Probably, I'll have a word with Laings and see if I can't get some information out of them...

still might give it a go though...its not like I'm not wearing the relevant PPE and causing myself to be in danger...Plus, I might be able to nick a drill or summat... ;)
 
A1Dan said:
Sweepstake time... how long before Fathers for Justice get up there?
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I might get up there tomorrow if I can wangle my way on site and get my mate to take a picture of me...

that'd be funny...
 
Big Andy said:
could just be the foundation dig they're doing, don't know off the pics
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Look at it again, they are on scaffolding about 10ft in the air. They are putting together those iron latices and pouring concrete into wooden (at least it looks like wood) moulds. Suppose the cores are not tall enough to require a Doka like Carillion are using on Beetham.

Look at picture 7, you can clearly see two cores rising. I'm guessing that these are for the cantelever, and the staircase will go inbetween them.
 
Wobbly said:
I tried before, but they told me to go away and called me an old cnut....

Bunch of cnuts..

I hope an RSJ falls on their heads
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If they're wearing their hard hats, it won't matter...

did you get my PM?

you old cnut.
 
WeasteDevil said:
Look at it again, they are on scaffolding about 10ft in the air. They are putting together those iron latices and pouring concrete into wooden (at least it looks like wood) moulds. Suppose the cores are not tall enough to require a Doka like Carillion are using on Beetham.

Look at picture 7, you can clearly see two cores rising. I'm guessing that these are for the cantelever, and the staircase will go inbetween them.
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looks like, from those pictures, that they're slip casting them as they go up...like Carillion did on the lift core at the Beetham tower in Liverpool...

Might go down every week or so and do some time lapse photography..stand in the same place fact the same way and take a picture or two...

that's look cool edited together...
 
i'll try and get a few photo's tomorrow, got an exam at the top of the northstand in the morning :( might be able to sneak some pics from inside the ground if im lucky
 
KaiserSoze666 said:
i'll try and get a few photo's tomorrow, got an exam at the top of the northstand in the morning :( might be able to sneak some pics from inside the ground if im lucky
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you have an exam in North Stand Tier 3???

Don't you dare sit in my seat...
 
WeasteDevil said:
Look at it again, they are on scaffolding about 10ft in the air. They are putting together those iron latices and pouring concrete into wooden (at least it looks like wood) moulds. Suppose the cores are not tall enough to require a Doka like Carillion are using on Beetham.

Look at picture 7, you can clearly see two cores rising. I'm guessing that these are for the cantelever, and the staircase will go inbetween them.
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How's the Beetham thing going? (Don't worry, I won't ask for photos...)

I'm missing the old town, haven't been since xmas (no small thanks to Mr Chubb or whatever he calls himself these days). Hope NFSC don't organise a boycot of the first match of the season, I need my fix of Mancunia...
 
A1Dan said:
How's the Beetham thing going? (Don't worry, I won't ask for photos...)

I'm missing the old town, haven't been since xmas (no small thanks to Mr Chubb or whatever he calls himself these days). Hope NFSC don't organise a boycot of the first match of the season, I need my fix of Mancunia...
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About halfway up.

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Wobbly said:
What is that there buliding, More offices?

Haag on, Ive just turned round and the Feckers right behind me...
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23 floor Hilton 5* hotel, 24th floor skybar (the hang out cantilever section), up to floor 48 luxury apartments (top floor penthouse went for £3m), 157m to roof, 171m to top of glass blade. A 14 story office tower is adjoined to the main tower.

In 2 years will be eclipsed by the 188m 60 storey Inacity tower in Eastgate next to Picadilly station.

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Anybody know the point in the glass panel sticking up? Is it just to get it some kind of record, like when they put masts on top of skyscrapers?

Are the yellow things on the first photo the "Dokas" of which you speak? Flash way of slip-casting concrete?
 
A1Dan said:
Anybody know the point in the glass panel sticking up? Is it just to get it some kind of record, like when they put masts on top of skyscrapers?

Are the yellow things on the first photo the "Dokas" of which you speak? Flash way of slip-casting concrete?
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The blade is just for asthetics.

Yep, a Doka is a self raising concrete casting super machine. It casts a floor, then rises up a floor, no need for scaffolding, the blokes are inside the yellow box.
 
Looking Busy said:
Come on then Andy, explain how the cranes got there.
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That's Plech's speciality isn't it? Cranes building Cranes... he sees it as a metaphor for the development of the human mind or summink.
Wordy fecker couldn't build a lego house, mind.
 
Big Andy said:
you have an exam in North Stand Tier 3???

Don't you dare sit in my seat...
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in one of the suites, think the windows of it look out just under tier 3, so could be able to get some photo's from there maybe. been sitting exams there for 2 years now, won't be grabbing a pint from the red caf this time though :mad:

what does your seat look like anyway? i'll have a dump on it if i find it :p
 
KaiserSoze666 said:
in one of the suites, think the windows of it look out just under tier 3, so could be able to get some photo's from there maybe. been sitting exams there for 2 years now, won't be grabbing a pint from the red caf this time though :mad:

what does your seat look like anyway? i'll have a dump on it if i find it :p
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have a cyber-pint in this Red Cafe instead...

And I'm guessing my seat is red.
 
A 300-ft tower crane collapsed onto the intersection of two major streets in downtown San Francisco during the morning rush hour. The accident fatally injured four crew members on the crane and a bus driven on the street below. Twenty-two pedestrians were also injured by falling crane pieces or flying debris.

A team of safety, mechanical, and metallurgical engineers was assembled to investigate the accident. Since all of the crew members involved in the operation of the crane at the time of the accident were killed, all of the circumstances of the failure had to be reconstructed from the physical evidence and the testimony of casual witnesses on the streets and in buildings around the site.

Reconstruction of the accident was hampered by the considerable damage to the crane cab and tower sections sustained upon impact with the street after falling 300 feet. Some of the components were embedded into the ground up to 15 ft below the pavement. Fractures, twists, bends, and scrapes on the components, however, were eventually decipher sufficiently to reconstruct the chain of events during the accident.

The crane collapsed during a climbing maneuver where the crane crew installs a new 20-ft section into the tower. To accomplish the climb, the cab of the crane is raised above the fixed tower by a hydraulic cylinder on a climbing frame to allow the next tower section to be inserted. Each climb required the hydraulic cylinder to be extended and reset several times to obtain the necessary clearance to insert a tower section. The operation at the time of the accident was for the final climb to the crane's full height of approximately 320 ft.

Evaluation of the materials comprising the crane components found no evidence of substandard or defect materials. Furthermore, all of the metal fractures were due to excessive loads. No indication of progressive fractures or pre-existing conditions were observed.

Damage to the climbing frame indicated that some rollers on the climber frame were binding excessively during the last stages of the climb. From this observation, it was suspected that the crane may not have been in a balanced position required for safe climbing. Since the crane cab is not rigidly fixed to the tower during a climbing maneuver, it is essentially that the cab remains balanced and that the boom is not shifted or rotated during climbing.

It was also noted that the hydraulic cylinders were set slightly below the level normally required for adequate clearance to insert a tower section. This observations suggested that the cab may have been tilted by shifting the beam to create the final few inches of clearance necessary to allow the tower section to be inserted without resetting the hydraulic cylinders. The evidence further indicated that the crane was rotated slightly during the climb, probably in an attempt to relieve the binding in the climbing frame rollers.

The physical evidence and the witness testimony agreed that the crane rotated just prior to the failure. It was concluded that this rotation upset that balance of the crane on the climbing frame. Computer simulation showed that this shift of balance was sufficient to buckle and eventually fracture the legs of the uppermost fixed tower section which supported the climbing frame. Failure of the tower section legs allowed the top of the fixed tower section, the climbing frame, and the cab to fall to the street.

The root cause of the accident in this case was improper operation of the crane during the climbing maneuver. Additional investigation confirmed that the crew operating the crane did not have adequate qualifications, training, or procedures for safe operation of this type of equipment.
 
Big Andy said:
Doka is a specialist formwork company...
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Doka to hit new heights at Beetham Tower

Doka's hydraulic self-climbing formwork platforms (SCP) will be used for the construction of the UK's highest residential building, the Beetham Tower in Manchester.

The project's concrete pouring sub-contractor, MPB, has purchased two Doka SCPs for the building's two internal cores. The platforms will rise independently with one unit carrying a 36m Putzmeister concrete pump.

The platforms consist of a decking area for workers and formwork assembly, and an all-round safety and wind enclosure.

According to Andrew Mair, Doka UK managing director, the company's systems are to be used because of the cycle speed they offer.

"Time is of the essence for this project and with our climbing systems and formwork one floor will be completed every four days," he said.

The systems will utilise Doka SKE50 and the heavier loading bearing SKE100 hydraulic climbers, with the latter making its UK debut.
 
jesus christ...imagine being in the cab at the time it fell...300ft drop knowing you will die?

Can't even beging to comprehend that...
 
Big Andy said:
have a cyber-pint in this Red Cafe instead...

And I'm guessing my seat is red.
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hmm i heard they maybe putting an image of glazer into the seats on tier 3, so its possible your seat could be ginger? i'll have a look for you.

think i'll have to drop into the bishops or the trafford for a pint if its open instead, but the cyber-pint sounds tempting.
 
Big Andy said:
jesus christ...imagine being in the cab at the time it fell...300ft drop knowing you will die?

Can't even beging to comprehend that...
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That's why operating one of them cranes pays something like £60k+, i'm told.
 
The number of cranes up in Manc is ridiculous. I don't think i've ever seen a city go through such a transformation in such a short period of time. We just need to wrestle some of the big businesses away from the South East and there won't be a better place to live.
 
JSV said:
The number of cranes up in Manc is ridiculous. I don't think i've ever seen a city go through such a transformation in such a short period of time. We just need to wrestle some of the big businesses away from the South East and there won't be a better place to live.
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If things go right then I could be coming to Uni up there this year or next (depending of finances). I go back a bit but I havent lived there for about 10 years - whats it like these days, for Students etc.?

Do you know much about the Uni's etc., their reputation or what not. Interested to see how its changed, I sense it when I go back but I suppose I'll have to live there before I fully appreciate it.
 
VanNistelrater said:
If things go right then I could be coming to Uni up there this year or next (depending of finances). I go back a bit but I havent lived there for about 10 years - whats it like these days, for Students etc.?

Do you know much about the Uni's etc., their reputation or what not. Interested to see how its changed, I sense it when I go back but I suppose I'll have to live there before I fully appreciate it.
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Best city for students. Manchester's full of them. . .

You'll love it up here.
 
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