NY Yankees unveil new stadium plans

[kennyj]

Too bad you won't be getting new banners anytime soon--unless, of course, your team joins a retirement home league

We'll see. There's a long way to go (unfortunately for Met fans), and the cream always rises to the top.

Steinbrenner is a great businessman. He's basically getting a new stadium for free. He's able to deduct stadium costs from his gross for revenue sharing purposes, which means that the Yankees won't be subsidizing the rest of baseball like usual. It should save him over $30 million per year. Throw in the 30 extra luxury boxes, the club seats, and the extra box seats and the Yankees will make more money than ever.

 

[MrMarcello]

I've never really drawn lines between NYY and BOS being a Texas fan, but I've always respected both clubs history and traditions. I do root for the Yanks in the playoffs, mainly because I was a Don Mattingly fan in the 80s. But I also was a huge Roger Clemens fan as a kid (him being a UT grad and Texas-bred). I was glad to see him join the Yanks and finally win a championship (two to be precise). But I also thought it was great to see the BoSox finally end "The Curse," though one title and one dramatic 3-0 comeback does not erase 80+ years of being in the shadow of the Yankees. And this comes from a neutral fan.

That in mind, does it hurt BoSox fans more that they had to endure 80+ years of perennial "next year" talk, or watching two BoSox greats win championships in Yankee pinstripes?

 

[kennyj]

i cant vouch for new york cause i havent grasped much of the football culture. but it seems in football that most of the rivalry is divisional. giants fans generally hate the cowboys, redskins and eagles (the cardinals dont count) and not the jets as much. i think youre right that alot of jet fans are mets fans, but in new jersey it seems that alot of the giants fans wouldnt mind seeing the jets win and vice versa. unlike baseball fans in the area, where most mets fans seem to hate the yankees etc.

People in New Jersey are confused. New York is all about bragging rights, whether it's Yankees-Mets, Giants-Jets, or Rangers-Islanders. It would be Knick-Nets too, except nobody gives a shit about the Nets. There are a lot of loud-mouth fans and on some level, nobody wants to listen to them brag for a year. The people around here that say they just want to see a NY team win and don't care who are not real fans - they just jump on the bandwagon of whoever is good at the time.

It's true that the Giants have good divisional rivalries and those games are important. But if the Giants and Jets are playing each other during the regular season, that's the game you don't want to lose and the one you circle to go to. My brother is a Giant fan and I'm a Jet fan (and season ticket holder). We can't even talk about NFL football (or hockey) without gettinhg into an argument.

 

[MrMarcello]

If the Nets move to Brooklyn, which makes great business/marketing sense, then you'll have a top basketball rivalry.

 

[kennyj]

If the Nets move to Brooklyn, which makes great business/marketing sense, then you'll have a top basketball rivalry.

That could happen and it would be a natural rivalry, but the Knicks might have to get better. NJ is basically an irrelevant state, a state that you drive through to get to someplace else, unless you're going to Atlantic City.

Everyone talked about how the Yankees and Sox are a great rivalry, but how is it a rivalry when the Yankees win all the time. maybe now that the Sox got lucky and won once it will really be a rivalry. You should have seen all the Met fans in my neighborhood wearing Sox hats and shirts during the playoffs. What a bunch of losers.

 

[Spoony]

What does Sox, mean?

As in Manchester Black Sox?

socks? surely not?

 

[mathiaslg]

Socks? surely not?

It is exactly that.

 

[Kevrockcity]

yes, socks.

 

[Spoony]

Really?

Strange name don't you think?

Like Manchester Red Shirts or Manchester White Shorts.

 

[Kevrockcity]

previously, they were known as the red stockings, which is even stranger. there's also the white sox. naming teams after the color of their socks was quite fashionable in the 19th century. don't ask me why.

 

[mathiaslg]

Really?

Strange name don't you think?

The people from Boston and Chicago are strange .

As Kev points out, naming your team after the color of your socks was common in the late 1800's.

 

[alonso767]

People in New Jersey are confused. New York is all about bragging rights, whether it's Yankees-Mets, Giants-Jets, or Rangers-Islanders. It would be Knick-Nets too, except nobody gives a shit about the Nets. There are a lot of loud-mouth fans and on some level, nobody wants to listen to them brag for a year. The people around here that say they just want to see a NY team win and don't care who are not real fans - they just jump on the bandwagon of whoever is good at the time.

It's true that the Giants have good divisional rivalries and those games are important. But if the Giants and Jets are playing each other during the regular season, that's the game you don't want to lose and the one you circle to go to. My brother is a Giant fan and I'm a Jet fan (and season ticket holder). We can't even talk about NFL football (or hockey) without gettinhg into an argument.

yeah i would agree with that. but in hockey i dont think the main rivalry is rangers-islanders. i am a rangers fan. rangers fans hate the flyers. devils fans like to think we give a shit about them but we dont, even though theyre our rivals. the flyers are the team we hate and youre right, bragging rights are up for stake when we play the islanders. but i dont think too many rangers fans would care if the islanders won the cup, as long as they didnt beat the rangers en route.

in new jersey at least, alot of this holds true. while giants at jets are certainly rivals when they play each other as bragging rights are up for grabs. but otherwise, most giants fans dont mind seeing the jets win. we focus our hate towards the cowboys and eagles mostly. new jersey is different though, because the teams they support are not truly their "home" teams, so alot of the regional rivalries are ignored, such as the rangers-islanders.

 

[alonso767]

NJ is basically an irrelevant state, a state that you drive through to get to someplace else, unless you're going to Atlantic City.

now thats spoken like a true asshole!

everyone from new jersey knows its the best damn state in the union. by far.

 

[Spoony]

or stockings, in their case.

How it used to look like. Must say, it had charm. Don't know much about baseball, other than the fact it's a poor mans cricket, but the stadia made during the early 1900's were magnificent.

How it will look like. They're going for a retro design:

I like it. . .

 

[MrMarcello]

*Don't forget Cincinnati Reds, or Red Stockings in the late 19th century. *The Bostom Red Sox were previously known as the Boston Pilgrims from 1903-1906, the Boston Somersets in 1902, and Boston Americans in 1901.
*Before the Giants moved to San Francisco, they were the NY Giants; but before then they were the NY Gothams.
*The Chicago Cubs were the Chicago White Stockings in the 1870s (according to MLB.com, the White Sox have always been called the White Sox). They were called the Chicago Orphans from 1898-1902.
*The Baltimore Orioles were the Milwaukee Brewers in 1901, then the St Louis Browns up through 1953.
*The NY Yankees were the Baltimore Orioles for 1901 & 1902, and NY Highlanders from 1903-1912.
find out more here Baseball Reference

BTW, cricket is shit. Baseball is much better.

 

[FLASHWOK]

or stockings, in their case.

How it used to look like. Must say, it had charm. Don't know much about baseball, other than the fact it's a poor mans cricket, but the stadia made during the early 1900's were magnificent.

How it will look like. They're going for a retro design:

I like it. . .

I like the design and it is paramount to me that they keep it the same type of park, I just wish they would redevelop the current stadium into the modern one, much the way OT has been done...

Yankee Stadium itself is living history...every opponent who plays there says it is the most intimidating place to play and they can literally feel the ghosts of Yankees history against them in a bizarre way...quite powerfull psychological edge over an opponent...

I have easily attended over 400 games there and it to me is still the best place to see a game for pure baseball history.

 

[kennyj]

*Don't forget Cincinnati Reds, or Red Stockings in the late 19th century.

They eventually became the Cincinnati Redlegs and stayed the Redlegs until about 1956.

 

[kennyj]

I like the design and it is paramount to me that they keep it the same type of park, I just wish they would redevelop the current stadium into the modern one, much the way OT has been done...

Yankee Stadium itself is living history...every opponent who plays there says it is the most intimidating place to play and they can literally feel the ghosts of Yankees history against them in a bizarre way...quite powerfull psychological edge over an opponent...

I have easily attended over 400 games there and it to me is still the best place to see a game for pure baseball history.

The Stadium has some structural defects. About 7 years ago a beam fell on an empty seat and they've been trying for a new stadium since then. They just wanted the promises from the city to improve the infrastructure around the neighborhood. It's still a great place to watch a game though.

 

[FLASHWOK]

The Stadium has some structural defects. About 7 years ago a beam fell on an empty seat and they've been trying for a new stadium since then. They just wanted the promises from the city to improve the infrastructure around the neighborhood. It's still a great place to watch a game though.

Steinbrenner wanted a new stadium looooooooooooooooooong before the infamous beam kenny


Yankee Stadium is still my favorite...I've sat in every different section of that park...I was at Billy Martin's return game (2nd one) was there for the first game after Munson's death and was there at the Chambliss home run that beat the Royals in game 5....it's a very special place for me.

 

[alonso767]

Steinbrenner wanted a new stadium looooooooooooooooooong before the infamous beam kenny


Yankee Stadium is still my favorite...I've sat in every different section of that park...I was at Billy Martin's return game (2nd one) was there for the first game after Munson's death and was there at the Chambliss home run that beat the Royals in game 5....it's a very special place for me.

i was there to watch them in game 2 against the twins, and game 2 against the red sox in corporate box seats....the stadium sucks, no atmosphere.

nothing like shea, baby.

 

[FLASHWOK]

yeah...we need more planes taking off and landing...

 

[kennyj]

i was there to watch them in game 2 against the twins, and game 2 against the red sox in corporate box seats....the stadium sucks, no atmosphere.

nothing like shea, baby.

You have to be kidding about the "no atmosphere." I've been to Shea plenty of times and that is the worst stadium in baseball. The bathrooms are notoriously bad. I was at Game 2 vs the Sox last year. That was the "who's your Daddy" game agaionst Pedro that that Lieber pitched.

I was also at Shea when the Yankees won the Series in 2000 vs the Mets.
The Yankees were dancing on the Shea infield because a pipe burst in the Yankee locker room.

 

[alonso767]

You have to be kidding about the "no atmosphere." I've been to Shea plenty of times and that is the worst stadium in baseball. The bathrooms are notoriously bad. I was at Game 2 vs the Sox last year. That was the "who's your Daddy" game agaionst Pedro that that Lieber pitched.

I was also at Shea when the Yankees won the Series in 2000 vs the Mets.
The Yankees were dancing on the Shea infield because a pipe burst in the Yankee locker room.

well i was just kidding about shea being any better, its a right shithole and thats why i love the mets. i am a man of the people, and they are a team of the people.

but i was at the whose your daddy game as well and it wasnt that special. the seats are too far apart and the fans are loud...but i dunno...its not like a soccer match. the atmosphere at baseball games always feel lacking for me, and yankee stadium is no better than the rest really.

 

[kennyj]

Steinbrenner wanted a new stadium looooooooooooooooooong before the infamous beam kenny


Yankee Stadium is still my favorite...I've sat in every different section of that park...I was at Billy Martin's return game (2nd one) was there for the first game after Munson's death and was there at the Chambliss home run that beat the Royals in game 5....it's a very special place for me.

But at one time he wanted out of the Bronx. He always wanted the Metro North extension, which the City has now agreed to.

I was at the Chambliss game too. That one was special. So was the Munson game. Murcer's homer was a classic.

 

[kennyj]

but i was at the whose your daddy game as well and it wasnt that special. the seats are too far apart and the fans are loud...but i dunno...its not like a soccer match. the atmosphere at baseball games always feel lacking for me, and yankee stadium is no better than the rest really.

You really can't compare the two sports. Baseball is more laid back to begin with and there's not continuous action. But compared to other baseball parks, Yankee Stadium is pretty intense.

 

[alonso767]

You really can't compare the two sports. Baseball is more laid back to begin with and there's not continuous action. But compared to other baseball parks, Yankee Stadium is pretty intense.

thats a good point. i havent been to many stadiums, really only shea and yankee stadium. i guess im just not one for baseball. but from what i remember, yankee didnt seem a whole lot different than shea. but i havent been to shea in a while.

 

[MrMarcello]

The one problem I have with Yankee fans is how spoiled they act. They will immediately turn on a player if he has a bad game/week/month. But then loft him again if he hits a walk off HR. But then taunt him again when he strikes out. The Yankee fans might be the most fickle fans in MLB. I could never imagine a legend like Roy Keane being booed and taunted by his own fans on his own pitch. For the most part, it seems NY fans lack class and grace (general view of most non-NYY fans).

 

[FLASHWOK]

I've been to quite a few baseball stadiums...none of them compared to yankee stadium in terms of intensity, but only Wrigley and Fenway were up there in terms of atmosphere...

here are the ones I've been to...

Yankee Stadium........ 10/10
Fenway Park.............10/10
Wrigley Field.............10/10
Camden Yards............8/10
Comiskey Park (new)..5/10
Veterans Stadium.......5/10
Candlestcik Park.........6/10
Baltimore Memorial..... 3/10
RFK Stadium..............5/10
Skydome...................6/10
Shea Stadium.............2/10

 

[FLASHWOK]

The one problem I have with Yankee fans is how spoiled they act. They will immediately turn on a player if he has a bad game/week/month. But then loft him again if he hits a walk off HR. But then taunt him again when he strikes out. The Yankee fans might be the most fickle fans in MLB. I could never imagine a legend like Roy Keane being booed and taunted by his own fans on his own pitch. For the most part, it seems NY fans lack class and grace (general view of most non-NYY fans).

Could you imagine Ryan Giggs?

 

[kennyj]

The one problem I have with Yankee fans is how spoiled they act. They will immediately turn on a player if he has a bad game/week/month. But then loft him again if he hits a walk off HR. But then taunt him again when he strikes out. The Yankee fans might be the most fickle fans in MLB. I could never imagine a legend like Roy Keane being booed and taunted by his own fans on his own pitch. For the most part, it seems NY fans lack class and grace (general view of most non-NYY fans).

I don't think that you should generalize like that. Some new fans are spoiled because of their success, but there are plenty of fans who remember the tough times. In general, I don't think they are so different. I saw Tino Martinez booed mercilessly in St. Louis over the weekend. Piazza and even Beltran have been booed at Shea. Derrick Lowe didn't have it so easy in Fenway last year - and look how Ted Williams and Jim Rice were treated.

 

[MrMarcello]

Could you imagine Ryan Giggs?

Dispicable, yet it happened. But it was supposedly a small bunch, like less than 1000, where as in Yankee Stadium, it's half the crowd or more.

I also can't imagine Yankee fans applauding an opposing player like United fans applauded Ronaldo. However, I'm sure they have applauded Cal Ripken, maybe Nolan Ryan too.

BTW, saw your list above...you need to get a game at Ameriquest Field in Arlington (Texas) and Minute Maid Park (Houston). Class ballparks with new designs and throwback features.

 

[kennyj]

I've been to quite a few baseball stadiums...none of them compared to yankee stadium in terms of intensity, but only Wrigley and Fenway were up there in terms of atmosphere...

here are the ones I've been to...

Yankee Stadium........ 10/10
Fenway Park.............10/10
Wrigley Field.............10/10
Camden Yards............8/10
Comiskey Park (new)..5/10
Veterans Stadium.......5/10
Candlestcik Park.........6/10
Baltimore Memorial..... 3/10
RFK Stadium..............5/10
Skydome...................6/10
Shea Stadium.............2/10

I agree with those, except that you have Shea much too high.

 

[MrMarcello]

and look how Ted Williams and Jim Rice were treated.

Well, in fairness, I've heard that Ted was quite an ass to the media and some opposing fans.

 

[FLASHWOK]

I agree with those, except that you have Shea much too high.

I know Kenny, I debated it but was feeling charitable.

 

[kennyj]

I also can't imagine Yankee fans applauding an opposing player like United fans applauded Ronaldo. However, I'm sure they have applauded Cal Ripken, maybe Nolan Ryan too.

I don't understand what you're saying. You say that they wouldn't applaud an opposing player, but then say that they would. Do you have any examples of times when you think that they should have applauded an opposing player and didn't (naturally not including Red Sox or Mets)?

 

[Nearco]

In 1978, the Sox blew a 14 game lead over the Yankees. Now there's a choke. If you look up choke in the dictionary, you'll see a picture of the Red Sox. Why do you think they didn't win anything for 86 years? Repeating is tougher than winning one. One year doesn't change anything - the Red Sox still suck.

Plenty of teams blow big leads in the regular season, no team has ever blown a three game lead in a seven game post-season series. But hey what do you expect you had poor starting pitching, Rivera is past it and instead of gamers like Paul O`Neill and Scott Broscius you have overpaid wankers like Sheffield and Gay-rod who are great at tee-ing off on the weak sisters of Kansas City and Tampa Bay but go all quiet WHEN THE SEASON IS ON THE LINE.

 

[kennyj]

Well, in fairness, I've heard that Ted was quite an ass to the media and some opposing fans.

It wasn't the media or opposing fans booing Ted. I know that Mantle and Maris got booed at times and that was a shame, but it wasn't half the stadium. Most people idolized them and never booed. Giambi has been hearing it lately, but that's understandable under the circumstances. Same with Kevin Brown. Jeter got booed the beginning of last year - there's always a few idiots in the crowd.

 

[kennyj]

Plenty of teams blow big leads in the regular season, no team has ever blown a three game lead in a seven game post-season series. But hey what do you expect you had poor starting pitching, Rivera is past it and instead of gamers like Paul O`Neill and Scott Broscius you have overpaid wankers like Sheffield and Gay-rod who are great at tee-ing off on the weak sisters of Kansas City and Tampa Bay but go all quiet WHEN THE SEASON IS ON THE LINE.

Even when the Sox win, their own fans can't give them credit. You're right. The Yankees had a better team and should have won. The Yankees came within one out of winning and coudn't close them out. Nothing wrong with A-Rod and Scheffield, you should check out their numbers. Probably both will end up in the Hall of Fame. You are kind of hypocritical, considering the Sox tried like hell to sign him last year.

 

[Nearco]

Epstein tried to sign him true...doesn`t mean the Sox fans wanted the guy though.
As for the Yankees being the better team last year - meh, their like the Braves and A`s of recent vintages....built for the regular season and then let`s hope for the best. I mean, the Marlins killed you in 03 because they had vastly superior pitching and if Schilling had been 100% leading into the ALCS last year it would have been a six game series.
Dont get me wrong i respect Torre and some of the players but Steinbrenner is a dick and his presence their for what, 30 years now somewhat taints the legacy laid down by Ruth, Gehrig, Mantle et al. I also hate seeing people over here with Yankee caps on....99% of whom have never heard of Joe Dimaggio let alone Thurmon Munson or Tommy Heinrich

 

[kennyj]

Epstein tried to sign him true...doesn`t mean the Sox fans wanted the guy though.
As for the Yankees being the better team last year - meh, their like the Braves and A`s of recent vintages....built for the regular season and then let`s hope for the best. I mean, the Marlins killed you in 03 because they had vastly superior pitching and if Schilling had been 100% leading into the ALCS last year it would have been a six game series.
Dont get me wrong i respect Torre and some of the players but Steinbrenner is a dick and his presence their for what, 30 years now somewhat taints the legacy laid down by Ruth, Gehrig, Mantle et al. I also hate seeing people over here with Yankee caps on....99% of whom have never heard of Joe Dimaggio let alone Thurmon Munson or Tommy Heinrich

You have to be kidding. Sox fans were devastated when the Yankees got A-Rod. I went to the red Sox nation site and you should have seen what was written. Assuming the Sox were a better team for post season, how is it a choke to lose to a better team? The Marlins didn't exacly "kill" the Yankees in '03. I think the Yanks lost in 7 games, at least in part because Wells took himself out after one inning. Steinbrenner is the best owner in professional sports. He wants to win and takes the profits and throws them back into the team. He pays people a lot of monbey and expects them to produce. What's so bad about that?