I suspect we're not mate. Addressing the gaping hole in midfield is a blind spot at our club.
Nuri Sahin
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I suspect we're not mate. Addressing the gaping hole in midfield is a blind spot at our club.
Yeah, I like the look of that. We might even be pushing Gerrard into the forward every so often to make room for Allen. Though I think we still need another top forward to play with Borini and Suarez.
But the main point is that we need Sahin because we need to start planning for a first XI without Gerrard. With his fitness record and the gap between him and the replacements, it's not workable to bank on him dragging us through the season anymore. If he stays fit and does it anyway, so much the better.
If we can get Sahin and a top forward, we'll have very good first XI without even considering Gerrard. Below those 12, there's some decent squad players and a few holes in the backup but it's a good platform to build on.
Yeah, I was tempted to shift Gerrard to the right (surely he's an improvement on Downing! 
) to accomodate Allen, but I'm not so sure Allen could play the "advanced" role in a midfield 3 that well? Maybe Charlie Adam? But I definitely agree with you that you need another top quality "wide" forward up top with Suarez and Borini.
If Gerrard can rediscover some form, then that might be the difference for your lot between ending mid table or pushing for 4th IMO.
) to accomodate Allen, but I'm not so sure Allen could play the "advanced" role in a midfield 3 that well? Maybe Charlie Adam? But I definitely agree with you that you need another top quality "wide" forward up top with Suarez and Borini.If Gerrard can rediscover some form, then that might be the difference for your lot between ending mid table or pushing for 4th IMO.
makes sense to me, Liverpool need the player short-term and Madrid still want him long-term.
looks like someone has learned from FM
looks like someone has learned from FM
Why is Fergie not all over this.
Because Fergie would want the player long term, and not with a buy back clause or on a simple 1 year loan. Is it that complicated ?
And I'm not sure he's even under consideration at the club.
And I'm not sure he's even under consideration at the club.
Would people here genuinely take him on a loan deal? I really don't think a club of our calibre should be loaning players to get them experience without a long term option to sell unless they're in the twilight of their careers. Loans are great for smaller clubs but not clubs looking to challenge for titles. Likewise a buyback deal, I'd hate to sign a player knowing that if they hit the heights they can be bought back at a reasonable price, the whole concept seems ridiculous to me.
Now I like Sahin as a player, I actually think he'd be a great addition to our squad and is the mould of midfielder we could really do with. But I would never want to sign him in these circumstances and I'm surprised a club of Arsenal's stature, even Liverpool's, is interested. I'm sure Fergie's aware of the lad's qualities but I doubt he'd touch this kind of deal with a barge pole.
Now I like Sahin as a player, I actually think he'd be a great addition to our squad and is the mould of midfielder we could really do with. But I would never want to sign him in these circumstances and I'm surprised a club of Arsenal's stature, even Liverpool's, is interested. I'm sure Fergie's aware of the lad's qualities but I doubt he'd touch this kind of deal with a barge pole.
The only condition I would take him on a loan deal is if we had a first buy option after the loan for let's say 20 mio. € or so.
If he has a great year and shows he can benefit our team we buy him, if not, well off he goes to Real again.
By the looks of it Real wants the opposite and are looking to get the player back if he does good even if they sell him.
Under those conditions imo it's a no go.
If he has a great year and shows he can benefit our team we buy him, if not, well off he goes to Real again.
By the looks of it Real wants the opposite and are looking to get the player back if he does good even if they sell him.
Under those conditions imo it's a no go.
To be honest, I'd be disgusted if Liverpool were able to get him on loan and we made no effort for him. We need to strengthen the midfield, it's as simple as that. This guy fits the bill perfectly. I'm astounded that we are not being linked with him.
Plus he would work brilliantly with Kagawa.
Plus he would work brilliantly with Kagawa.
Not for 1 year though what is the point in that? strengthen real madrid just to have 1 more option?.
If we can buy him permanently afterwards then im all for it, but just for a 1 year loan deal is stupid.
It seems more pride than anything though. "We won't loan a player off that virus to help him develop", despite needing a player like him in our team.
How is it stupid? We brought back a 37 year old out of retirement last season because we were so weak in midfield.
Having an extra option in midfield could be a difference in us winning the league or not. How many times to we have to get overrun in midfield to realise that we are short there?
We are obviously not buying anyone at this stage, so why not bring a player in for a year?
I agree we are short but the answer isnt to loan from a rival team for 1 year.
So what if he becomes an integral part of our team and upset our regular midfielders / stop the progression of our youngsters, then Sahin just goes back to madrid a better player and continues for them? that just does not make sense for 1 good year.
The Liverpool Echo are apparently very confident Sahin is signing within 48 hours, even reporting that Sahin has informed Rodgers that he wants to join us.
Would be a quality signing, even if just for a year.
A lot of teams are strengthening very wisely this year - it's going to be a strong Premiership!
A lot of teams are strengthening very wisely this year - it's going to be a strong Premiership!
Guess your going to be disgusted then.
SAF has too much pride, and we are too big of a club to sign a player on loan, without a permanent buying option. It's stupid. Mourinho knows that Fergie wouldn't play him much even if we were told to keep him for a year, and not pay any wages. He'd get frozen out like Berbatov was; for the same reason, they aren't going to be here long, why give them games if there are other players that can perform decently as well, who will (i.e. Welbeck / Hernandez).
I'm against signing him on loan, but full muppet on bringing him here on a complete transfer, or even with a buy back option, provided we say, sign him for 20 million, and Real can resign him for 40m (provided the player wants to go back). But it won't work out like that, so we won't get him unless Real and the player want to come here with a view to a permanent transfer
I'm against signing him on loan, but full muppet on bringing him here on a complete transfer, or even with a buy back option, provided we say, sign him for 20 million, and Real can resign him for 40m (provided the player wants to go back). But it won't work out like that, so we won't get him unless Real and the player want to come here with a view to a permanent transfer
Would be great to get him and kagawa pulling strings in the midfield with carrick, again he's a midfielder who'd offer us something but fergie knows best
United would never agree to be a parking ground for other big clubs to farm their players out to for a year. Yey great, give a promising talent a year at United working under the world's best manager, learning from some of the game's greats, then see them feck off to take all they've learnt to Real Madrid. Not hard to see who benefits most from that deal.
If I was a Liverpool fan I'd be worried that the owners don't seem to want to put their hands in their pocket for proper signings, instead messing around with loan deals which only bring short-term benefit. Unless they get a option to purchase, then it would make alot more sense.
Reports saying option to purchase.
But even without it, we really do need some short term benefit to be able to start dipping into the longterm ones, ie we need CL qualification again asap.
But even without it, we really do need some short term benefit to be able to start dipping into the longterm ones, ie we need CL qualification again asap.
if ferguson wanted sahin, he should've bought him for cheap from dortmund in the first place.
Doing a loan would be stupid.
That's for shitc**ts like the vermin who are desperate to get into top4 and will let themselves be incubators of talent for bigger clubs. I know we sold ronnie after developing him, but that isn't as smalltime as this.
Doing a loan would be stupid.
That's for shitc**ts like the vermin who are desperate to get into top4 and will let themselves be incubators of talent for bigger clubs. I know we sold ronnie after developing him, but that isn't as smalltime as this.
If they are realistic and make sensible move they're shitc**ts. If they continue having unrealistic expectations of their club they're called deluded.
Looks like it is certainly Liverpool. Bit dissapointed.
Thank feck you're not. The owners have so far spent £25m this summer alone. If loan deals are good enough for the likes of Real & Milan then we'll have some of that thank you. It's your "we're better than that" attitude that stinks. If this loan signing helps us to improve enough to reclaim a place in the Top 4, which will in turn help us to aim for the higher bracket of transfers again, then it will have been good business. At the end of that year, any number of scenarios could occur, one of which being we sign him on a permanent basis. It's a bit of a no lose really but then you wouldn't see it that way unless he was signing for United.
Developing young players is always risky, as they'll probably contribute to dropped points while they're still learning the game. This is a risk worth taking if you're developing them into a better player for the future. Kind of pointless if that future is at another club.
Mourinho must have put in a good word for Rodgers, then say Wenger.
I can't believe Liverpool will have a better midfield than us.
He did star in the Dortmund side that won the league, though. That's a higher level than Liverpool's. So there's every chance (if he adapts quickly) that he'll be less of a risk to play than many of the crap they already have.
That is certainly true. I guess it depends on the individual player though. Do you think that Sahin would be classed as a risky youngster still learning the game. Did Spurs benefit from having Adebayor for a season?
Anyway, it's neither here nor there until he actually signs.
Sahin is hardly a young player in that sense - he starred for Dortmund in winning the Bundesliga.
Madrid didn't buy him as a development project. He was just unlucky with injuries.
Sahin, Lucas and Gerrard would be a quality trio in midfield and they'll have Allen as backup too. It's a good thing their wingers are rubbish and they have no one who can finish chances upfront.
Ahm?! They've got Allen, Sahin (if he signs), Gerrard, Lucas, Henderson, Spearing and Shelvey. We've got Carrick, Cleverley, Scholes, Anderson, Giggs & even Kagawa (as much a CM as Gerrard). You really think they've got a better midfield? I'd have ours any day of the week and twice on Sunday.
Not to say Sahin isn't a good signing, 'cause he clearly is. Should improve them considerably, still not good enough for the Champions League spots though.
Looks like a done deal by now. I am allowing myself to get excited.
Yesssss.
Yesssss.
Am hearing him to Liverpool is a done deal, R.Madrid didn't want to sell him no matter what so from their point of view sending him to Liverpool made more sense as I believe it is a straight forward loan. From what I know we wouldn't take him on loan unless there was an option to buy which R.Madrid didn't want to offer. Also at Arsenal he isn't guaranteed as much first team football as Liverpool imo
Would be very surprised if Liverpool have an option to buy. He's very highly rated and has had one injury hit season at Real. Would be daft to give up on him so soon.
Any sources lads?
Where you at, Alastair? WHERE YOU AT?
Was just a few hours ago adexkola dismissed the very possibility.
Was just a few hours ago adexkola dismissed the very possibility.
I'm going to hide until someone tells me this isn't happening.
All the reliable ones are coming out the woodwork now. Coming out of Turkey as well it's all done.