Because that's what Madrid do? I don't think they're too concerned about making losses on players and considering that they bought him pretty cheap as well, I can see him leaving on the cheap. Robben, Sneijder and VdV were all vastly superior players to him and they all left on the cheap too.
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Because that's what Madrid do? I don't think they're too concerned about making losses on players and considering that they bought him pretty cheap as well, I can see him leaving on the cheap. Robben, Sneijder and VdV were all vastly superior players to him and they all left on the cheap too.
Yep and all the more reason for us to be in for him. He and Kagawa would already have some sort of understanding, and that familiarity could help them both settle quicker.
must be honest i am at a complete loss to explain why we would not be in for Sahin, especially on loan. He would offer an alternative to both Carrick and Scholes, and he is a proven leader for a successful side. No brainer for me.
Yep, even if Madrid sell him for £16m they would still have doubled their initial outlay in a year, for a player they don't really need.
The others you mention were probably bought for more than they were sold, yet as you say they were still sold. Sahin's situation is different. He has not made much of an impression there so they would not miss him either way, and they can at least double what they originally paid for him.
Considering Jose wants/wanted Modric, it seems he would not put up much of a fight to keep Sahin, making suggestions of a potential move away feasible at least.
If Sahin doesn't want his career to be destroyed he better requests the move to Arsenal as quick as possible. Mourinho has made it as clear as he could without hurting the player's feelings that he's not counting on him. Real Madrid's Modric pursuit worth around € 40 million should also open Sahin's eyes. And if that isn't enough already, Mourinho playing Sahin at leftback in their most recent pre-season game should really make it as clear as daylight how much he is rated there.
Sahin is the type of player you need to build the team around, be patient if necessary and give him your full confidence. In Madrid he's not getting that. The only young player they have developed since the Titanic sunk was Ramos, if you can call splashing € 30 million on a youngstar like that. Too much pressure there and he was never going to displace Alonso anyway. He'd be perfect for United however. Reunited with Kagawa and all. Under SAF he'd make it, no doubt.
Edit: Just read the above. "The Red Devils want a transfer."
Sahin-Kagawa, make it happen. #FreeSahin
Sahin is the type of player you need to build the team around, be patient if necessary and give him your full confidence. In Madrid he's not getting that. The only young player they have developed since the Titanic sunk was Ramos, if you can call splashing € 30 million on a youngstar like that. Too much pressure there and he was never going to displace Alonso anyway. He'd be perfect for United however. Reunited with Kagawa and all. Under SAF he'd make it, no doubt.
Edit: Just read the above. "The Red Devils want a transfer."
Sahin-Kagawa, make it happen. #FreeSahinSo Madrid are demanding we buy him and we don't want to do that?
So Madrid are demanding we buy him and we don't want to do that?
Madrid are demanding a buy-back option on him, but we want a no strings attached transfer.
We're never going to sign a player with a buy-back option.
how does this buy back option work exactly? surely we cannot be compelled to sell him at some point in the future, whenever Madrid decide they might want him back?
If it is not compulsory to sell, then why could we not just say we don't want to sell him now, but when we do you will get first option?
I really don't understand how this option would work. If we wanted to sell then no problems, but how can we be forced to sell if for instance the player wanted to stay, and we didn't want him to leave?
I'd imagine if the player refused the contract offer then he would stay. But the buy-back price would be a set fee, that if Madrid met we would have to accept the bid. It is written in the contract, therefore we ccouldn't say we don't want to sell.
Cheers Baxter, much clearer now. I wouldn't think that would be enough to put us off buying him. We rarely sell anyone with genuine talent, or even injury problems. They are always given plenty of time here, so i don't see any reason why Sahin wouldn't.
Get him bought SAF, he is what we need most of all imo, as either cover or as alternative options to our 2 most important midfielders.
This signing would make far more sense than Moura and van Persie.
We're not a feeder club for Real bloody Madrid. If they want to sell Sahin, brilliant, but we're not going to make any sort of deal where Real can get him back any time they like.
And your notion that Sahin won't want to go back if Real come calling, i.e. they'll plan to put him in their First XI, is more than a bit odd.
We would certainly avoid something like the Bojan to Roma deal:
"The Italian outfit will pay 12 million for the player and the agreement includes an obligatory repurchase clause to be exercised by FC Barcelona at the end of the 2012/13 season, for a cost of 13 million. This purchase can be blocked by AS Roma, but in such a case the overall cost of the transfer will rise to 40 million euros."
I can see us rejecting a buy-back arrangement on principle, but if the fee is set at a suitably high value, maybe with a time-limit then there might be an argument to at least consider it, i.e. we'd get a quality player looking to prove himself to convince Real to exercise the buy-back; if they do then we'd at least make a profit on having a player who'd have obviously impressed; and by having him here we'd have a chance to convince him to want to stay with us and reject a buy-back from Madrid.
Not sure I'd go along with that entirely, but it's an argument to consider.
"The Italian outfit will pay 12 million for the player and the agreement includes an obligatory repurchase clause to be exercised by FC Barcelona at the end of the 2012/13 season, for a cost of 13 million. This purchase can be blocked by AS Roma, but in such a case the overall cost of the transfer will rise to 40 million euros."
I can see us rejecting a buy-back arrangement on principle, but if the fee is set at a suitably high value, maybe with a time-limit then there might be an argument to at least consider it, i.e. we'd get a quality player looking to prove himself to convince Real to exercise the buy-back; if they do then we'd at least make a profit on having a player who'd have obviously impressed; and by having him here we'd have a chance to convince him to want to stay with us and reject a buy-back from Madrid.
Not sure I'd go along with that entirely, but it's an argument to consider.
We're not a feeder club for Real bloody Madrid. If they want to sell Sahin, brilliant, but we're not going to make any sort of deal where Real can get him back any time they like.
And your notion that Sahin won't want to go back if Real come calling, i.e. they'll plan to put him in their First XI, is more than a bit odd.
Fair point, because i can't say that scenario is not a possibility, but it's also worth noting that hardly any players, if any that i can recall, return to Madrid once they have struggled to make an impression. Plus Mourinho simply doesn't fancy him, if he did he wouldn't have been so seriously looking at signing modric. So i agree with most of what you say, but i don't think him going back to madrid, even if he is successful during his time here, is as much of a nailed on certainty as you believe it to be.
He could really benefit us, covering 2 positions that we have no cover for. Scholes and Carrick. He can effectively do the job of either, as well as giving us a solid holding 2 for the CL should we choose to play a 4-2-3-1.
I have long championed us signing this guy, for me he would be brilliant for us, maybe that's clouding my judgment a bit regarding the conditions of the deal, but i would be delighted if we did get him.
I've no issues with Sahin, I'd love him to come here. I'm just saying that we can't have this sort of buy-back thing hanging over him.
Madrid are pretty ruthless in their use of buyback clauses. They bought Negredo back from Almeria for 5m and sold him a few weeks later to Sevilla for 15m (with another buyback clause). What they offered Negredo I don't know, but he certainly didn't complain. Maybe they put a clause in the player's contract as well?
I'm guessing the idea of another Sneidjer or Robben (or to a lesser extent, another VdV) scares Perez. I get the impression that Mourinho isn't so concerned.
At any rate, I doubt they will sell Sahin (with no strings) before they buy Modric.
I'm guessing the idea of another Sneidjer or Robben (or to a lesser extent, another VdV) scares Perez. I get the impression that Mourinho isn't so concerned.
At any rate, I doubt they will sell Sahin (with no strings) before they buy Modric.
Mourinho talking to the Spanish press about Sahin.
Mou says he'd like him to stay but Sahin wants more playing time and he likes the look of the PL. Madrid are looking for a loan deal with "no extensions" and "no right to buy"
Kaka may decide to leave because, "he wants to be a protagonist again", but at Madrid the only time he's likely to get is like last season, "when Di Marai is injured, or Ozil is playing as a forward."
Mou says he'd like him to stay but Sahin wants more playing time and he likes the look of the PL. Madrid are looking for a loan deal with "no extensions" and "no right to buy"
Kaka may decide to leave because, "he wants to be a protagonist again", but at Madrid the only time he's likely to get is like last season, "when Di Marai is injured, or Ozil is playing as a forward."
RM have done this quite a bit in their loans of players (esp. their cantera kids), always with a buyback and usually with a non-competing clause whereby the player cannot play against the capital club
The Turk wanted the move, now he'll have to live with it
The Turk wanted the move, now he'll have to live with it
Barca and Real can do anything they want in La Liga. It would be nice to see them dethroned.
Now's the time for the other clubs to take action. If they don't La Liga could easily turn into a version of the Scottish league.
They're scared of a repeat of the Morientes fiasco.
According to the Madrid gossip columns, Liverpool are interested in the loan deal idea, with an option to buy, even if Madrid include a buyback clause.
Apparently Brendan Rodgers worked as Chelsea reserve team coach when Mourinho was there, and they've stayed in touch - I didn't know that.
Apparently Brendan Rodgers worked as Chelsea reserve team coach when Mourinho was there, and they've stayed in touch - I didn't know that.
Can't see him wanting to go there. It's a big step back from Dortmund, let alone Madrid.
I'd have to agree with that. Although playing games is better than sitting on the bench. Surely somebody better would want him.
That was how he became interested in Borini.
Is he worth it - taking him on loan with a buyback?
Depends what the alternative is i suppose. For Liverpool, probably.
My understanding on buyback clauses is that they only work if the club wants to sell the player and all it means is that the club with the buy back clause gets offered the player first before anyone else. If they pass on the player, the buy back clause is finished. It doesn't mean that a club can force another one to sell them the player if they don't want to. Just like we couldn't get Giuseppe Rossi back if Villarreal didn't want to sell him just because we had a buy back clause.
In the case of Sahin, although we could sure use him, anything but a permanent deal isn't ideal for us. A season long loan deal with no guarantees of a permanent move, would be another duct taping of a big problem, and we'll just have to go through this ordeal with our midfield again next summer.
In the case of Sahin, although we could sure use him, anything but a permanent deal isn't ideal for us. A season long loan deal with no guarantees of a permanent move, would be another duct taping of a big problem, and we'll just have to go through this ordeal with our midfield again next summer.
Yeah, bang on. There is a big difference between a buy back clause and minimum release clause.
Madrid wouldn't really want to strengthen one of their CL rivals with one of their players on loan if they could help it. And despite last season, they would still consider United a rival.
Real Madrid midfielder Sahin rejects Besiktas loan offer
http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/3277/la-liga/2012/08/07/3293249/-
http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/3277/la-liga/2012/08/07/3293249/-
Let's go for him. Now that the Moura deal is off there should be enough $$ to get him.
Would make more sense than Moura, even if he's not that talented.
Would make more sense than Moura, even if he's not that talented.
Just get Sahin and Isco and be done for the summer, I would be happier if we signed those two than if we'd signed Moura tbh.
Wouldnt mind RVP here tbh. Don't know Isca have never seen him.
Tell it to the birds.
for liverpool it's a financial thing IMO. rogers has come out saying he is interested in a few loans, IMO they want to rent a few players like sahin and affelay/tello to use them to power into 'top 4' and then next summer use that as more pull to bring in better talent on permanent deals.
they know right now they are not an attractive place for players of the highest quality.
they know right now they are not an attractive place for players of the highest quality.
Sahin said no to the opportunity to be part of the transfer of Modric and now take weeks hearing from Xabi Alonso mouth of the benefits of a special club where he could play regularly. Apparently, Xabi work is paying off and Sahin seems convinced. A year at Anfield will give you the confidence (and rhythm) of scarce. Ian Ayre, executive director of the English club, is in Spain because he and Rodgers believes it Sahin (and perhaps Tello) is more than possible.
http://www.as.com/opinion/articulo/xabi-persuasion-sahin/20120814dasdaiopi_6/Tes
With reports last week about Rodgers relationship with Mourinho paving the way as well, I think we might just pull this one off. Hopefully.
http://www.as.com/opinion/articulo/xabi-persuasion-sahin/20120814dasdaiopi_6/Tes
With reports last week about Rodgers relationship with Mourinho paving the way as well, I think we might just pull this one off. Hopefully.
It does sound like a good matchup. Liverpool get a top 4 sort of player who wouldn't normally move to a club that's not offering CL. They don't have to buy a mid table player instead. Sahin will get game time.
A good use of a one season loan. And who knows, at the end of it, Sahin might want to stay.
-----Lucas--------Sahin
-----------Gerrard
That's a very competitive midfield 3, especially if Gerrard is able to get anywhere near his best form.
(with Allen, Henderson, Spearing/Shelvey as backup)
-----------Gerrard
That's a very competitive midfield 3, especially if Gerrard is able to get anywhere near his best form.
(with Allen, Henderson, Spearing/Shelvey as backup)
if we're not in the mix for this I am baffled.