What's the deal with Saoradh? Heard of them for the first time yesterday.
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For sure, what are your options?
Vote DUP, "your side" wins, change your vote any of the 87 splinter parties of the UUP, congrats Sinn Fein is now the largest party in NI say hello to gay marriage cakes and the IRA wins.
Vote Sinn Fein, "your side" wins, change to SDLP or whomever else, congrats DUP have a larger majority, Ian Paisley's ghost just got an erection and we've all been teleported to the 1970's so hard the world is black and white now.
I didn't even vote last election, I spent a few hours looking through my options locally, never heard of half of them and the half I did, didn't appeal to me at all.
I've never voted here and don't understand how anyone votes for these parties.
Nothing will ever change when people keep voting the same over and over
Your kinda fecked all the way around, nothing will change if you don't vote either
I voted for the DUP once when I was younger didn't really think too hard about it at the time and tbf most of my demographic swung heavily that way during those times, so I wasn't alone. A decision that only years of hindsight can show you the full extent of how terrible an idea it was.
Why vote for anyone? to certain people they feel they best serve or protect their interests, most of the time they don't but then who does?
There's so much noise on useless bullshit that no sensible person cares about and no-one is ever held accountable for their actions, so it's hard not to despair. The assembly suspended in 2017, 2 full years ago, life is the same, which begs the question, what do they do ?
I voted for the DUP once when I was younger didn't really think too hard about it at the time and tbf most of my demographic swung heavily that way during those times, so I wasn't alone. A decision that only years of hindsight can show you the full extent of how terrible an idea it was.
Why vote for anyone? to certain people they feel they best serve or protect their interests, most of the time they don't but then who does?
There's so much noise on useless bullshit that no sensible person cares about and no-one is ever held accountable for their actions, so it's hard not to despair. The assembly suspended in 2017, 2 full years ago, life is the same, which begs the question, what do they do ?
I vote uup simply because they're protestant and i don't agree with half of what dup stands for.
What i can't wrap my head around is Catholics voting sinn Fein who don't take their seats. If all Catholics voted sdlp they'd win the majority and actually have a representative over the pound while protestants split between dup and uup.
Obviously thats a simplistic way of looking at it...
What i can't wrap my head around is Catholics voting sinn Fein who don't take their seats. If all Catholics voted sdlp they'd win the majority and actually have a representative over the pound while protestants split between dup and uup.
Obviously thats a simplistic way of looking at it...
Well the options for somebody like me who doesn't really give two hoots about the union or indeed a united ireland is generally to go for the Greens, SDLP or Alliance - they have been the ones I have generally voted for over the years. I wouldn't piss on the DUP or Sinn Fein if they were on fire so neither will ever get any support from me.
That's the problem with politics here . People voting for a party because of their religion yet I wonder how many of them actually practice religion .
If the only reason you vote for someone is because they are the same religion as you then that's just crazy
Agreed. The fact we still mostly go to separate schools is an absolute scandal also.
Its not the only reason for me. I dont agree with sf and dup. That leaves uup and sdlp who are my one and two.
But the majority vote for the party of their religion and i can never see that changing
Me too, I vote Alliance but given that whole flag drama it's unlikely they'll win in my area anytime soon.
The only reason I'm pro Union is it's all I've ever known so the human nature to avoid change is strong. If a United Ireland would be of great benefit of Ireland and the people of the North, then do it imo.
He taught economics, you think he'd be some what clued in on these matters, huh?
Home economics probably, cake eating wanker
When I first started voting at 18 I’d vote DUP because I hated SF with a passion and DUP had the numbers to ‘keep them out’. I actually know quite a few Catholics who used to vote like that too. Then SDLP became strong enough to beat them so a load of proddies like myself used to vote for John Hume.
Now I haven’t voted for years in NI politics because I live down south in ‘Mexico’ and don’t feel strongly enough about any of the parties back home to organize a vote.
I really wish we could wipe the slate clean and start again with a few normal parties made up of genuine people with no hidden agendas or bitterness from the past still looming over them like a grey cloud
Now I haven’t voted for years in NI politics because I live down south in ‘Mexico’ and don’t feel strongly enough about any of the parties back home to organize a vote.
I really wish we could wipe the slate clean and start again with a few normal parties made up of genuine people with no hidden agendas or bitterness from the past still looming over them like a grey cloud
A child like simple way of looking at it. Just like you saying you vote for UUP because they are protestant. Basically you are trapped and onyl vote identity.
Any criticism of the Shinners is deserved but there is no comparison when it comes to the DUP for corruption, backward thinking, cronyism and flat out bigotry.
Not really. I vote uup 1 and sdlp 2. I'll never in my life vote for dup or sf. They other parties arent strong enough to make a difference. That leaves me with 2 and they get 1 and 2.
Its the same every where im sure, well gor a high percentage anyway.
People in England vote Labour or conservative no matter what. Usa its democrat or republican. Here its protestant or Catholic.
People don't just jump parties generally.
Not saying its right or wrong but people vote for them precisely on that basis - knowing that they will not take their seats. Thats their mandate and people know this when they go to the ballot box.
Im not a SF voter btw, just saying this is how it is.
I'd say thats how a lot of the DUP's votes come about, its a bit mad when you think about.
I used to work with an older guy, really nice man, polite, never heard a bitter word out of his mouth, from his opinions on things he didn't seem to be racist or homophobic and seemed quite liberal in most of his views in general. Yet he voted DUP and had done for years to ''keep them out'' because he didn't like Sinn Fein. No doubt its the same with a lot of SF voters.
Can't be too many places in the world where working class liberal people vote regularly for a crackpot far right party like the DUP.
Same here mate, if that happened i might actually vote again.
Also to be fair to Sinn Fein they have a very good reputation for handling their day to day constituency work. Take Orfhlaith Begley for example, got in after the Barry McElduff shambles and within weeks was all over the news helping represent Billy Caldwell and his Mum get the licence for his Cannabis oil. That sort of thing carries far greater currency in local communities than them taking their seats. I grew up in a nationalist town and it was well known that if you needed something done, help with benefits, housing or whatever you'd go to Sinn Fein about it.
I grew up in Derry and it was well known that John Hume and his wife were the ones who got things done
Can well imagine that to be true, my own parents know them both well and admire them greatly however the SDLP got by for a long time off the back of peoples admiration of Hume in particular. It may well have been unfair but where I grew up they were known as the solicitors, doctors and lawyers party and were viewed very much as a party of and for the Catholic middle class, a long way from what they represented in the 60's and 70s. Sinn Fein also became much better at getting out the vote in nationalist areas, for example I often recall Sinn Fein reps knocking on our door and asking why only one of my two older sisters had been out to vote yet
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you know what you will never see in NI... and this sums up Northern Ireland.
A jobs announcement on the front of the Andersontown News. You'll never see it. As it simply has not happened But the local people of West Belfast will never see SF challenged on it as all of the local press are owned by people associated with SF.
SF need challenged on their performance. they do nothing. the areas they represent are socially deprived with a benefits culture.
Best of the West my Arse. Hopefully places like west Belfast wise up to the charlatans of SF and their appalling record on delivering. It's beginning to happen outside Belfast where 20% of their elected members have jumped ship from them.
Hopefully FF and SDLP get people thinking up here. Same with Peadar Tobin's new party who have Martin McGuinness's brother as a founding member
A jobs announcement on the front of the Andersontown News. You'll never see it. As it simply has not happened But the local people of West Belfast will never see SF challenged on it as all of the local press are owned by people associated with SF.
SF need challenged on their performance. they do nothing. the areas they represent are socially deprived with a benefits culture.
Best of the West my Arse. Hopefully places like west Belfast wise up to the charlatans of SF and their appalling record on delivering. It's beginning to happen outside Belfast where 20% of their elected members have jumped ship from them.
Hopefully FF and SDLP get people thinking up here. Same with Peadar Tobin's new party who have Martin McGuinness's brother as a founding member
Sinn Fein need their voters to be deprived or they wouldn't vote for them .
Take Strabane where Sinn Fein could put up a broom and it would get voted in .
Few years ago there was a bit for a new civil service centre which would have bought in 400 jobs to the town and then the boos to the economy that would bring to local businesses as well .
Strabane won the bid but Michelle O Neill blocked it and instead gave the centre and jobs to Ballykelly.
No excuse for it and it's cost even more money having to build the centre in Ballykelly as they also had to make new roads to the centre which they said existed but then turned out they had to knock it down and start again .
Strabane would have been completely transformed and that is not what Sinn Fein want. Yet people there will keep voting them in
Take Strabane where Sinn Fein could put up a broom and it would get voted in .
Few years ago there was a bit for a new civil service centre which would have bought in 400 jobs to the town and then the boos to the economy that would bring to local businesses as well .
Strabane won the bid but Michelle O Neill blocked it and instead gave the centre and jobs to Ballykelly.
No excuse for it and it's cost even more money having to build the centre in Ballykelly as they also had to make new roads to the centre which they said existed but then turned out they had to knock it down and start again .
Strabane would have been completely transformed and that is not what Sinn Fein want. Yet people there will keep voting them in
I know loads who vote dup to cancel sf and visa versa. Im in a mixed town and have friends / acquaintances on both sides.
90 percent of people vote based on religion here, and while its a complete balls, i admit im guilty of it as well when i go uup 1.
We must be from the same area! Barry is running again for sf though isnt he?
I wouldn't doubt it for a second mate it's nuts.
I was guilty myself years ago when i voted for Sinn Fein, haven't voted for them in a long time though.
Quite the allegation.
Only shocking thing there is the UVF refusing.
Unbelievable.
Probably laying the ground work for the announcement next week that no one is to stand trial over the bloody sunday killings.
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yep
Seems to me like she it trying to create the circumstances for her own resignation.
they knew the repercussions would have been too much. I've seen that doc, it's an incredible piece of work. Anybody based in Canada and who wants to see this, it's being screened over here in May
What a joke, should be sacked on the fecking spot.
She'll back track on these comments, clueless woman.
Heard another interview already today where she began to try and cover herself, pathetically.