Northern Ireland Thread

Eire Red United said:
Heard another interview already today where she began to try and cover herself, pathetically.
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“Yesterday I made comments regarding the actions of soldiers during the Troubles. I want to apologise. I am profoundly sorry for the offence and hurt that my words have caused.
The language was wrong and even though this was not my intention, it was deeply insensitive to many of those who lost loved ones."

Like clockwork these people. I genuinely feel this woman is in way over her head, remember what she said when she was appointed SOS for NI "I didn’t understand [that] people who are nationalists don’t vote for unionist parties, and vice versa,”. She doesn't have the street smarts to deal with politicians in the north, that question from Little- Pengelly the DUP councillor was a loaded question. There are legal matters currently ongoing in regards to state forces killings so that question should have been deflected with the usual non committal answers politicians give.
 
Rooney24 said:
Killings at the hands of the security forces during the Troubles were "not crimes", the NI secretary has said.

Karen Bradley was responding to a question from DUP MP Emma Little-Pengelly about legacy issues.

"Over 90 per cent of the killings during the Troubles were at the hands of terrorists, every single one of those was a crime," she said.

"The fewer than 10 per cent that were at the hands of the military and police were not crimes. They were people acting under orders and under instruction and fulfilling their duty in a dignified and appropriate way."
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Unbelievable.

Probably laying the ground work for the announcement next week that no one is to stand trial over the bloody sunday killings.
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Silly Twat she should lose her job for that.
 
Listen to the toxicity of the Tory backbenches on this topic. David Cameron is the one out of step with his party here, not Karen Bradley.
 
Multiple soldiers who killed 12 civilians walking free. Their bosses keep their medals for "a job well done".

The unjustified and unjustifiable actions continue.
 
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Rooney24 said:
Only one ?

Unbelievable
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Unbelievable? The government, who have constantly undermined calls for justice, are already writing the murderer a blank cheque for his defence.

What's unbelievable is that they're even pretending to prosecute one.
 
Kentonio said:
Completely tone deaf response by that prick Williamson.
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Nope, he's completely on message. Like I said upthread, it was David Cameron who, with his contrite apology, who was out of step with the Tory party.

This is why Britain has the reputation it has.
 
I'm no expert on NI matters but I still find it astonishing no-one has ever been brought to justice for the events of that awful day.

Do people expect this man to be found guilty and imprisoned as sort of a sacrificial lamb, or do you expect him to eventually be found not guilty? Are more charges against other soldiers likely?
 
esmufc07 said:
I'm no expert on NI matters but I still find it astonishing no-one has ever been brought to justice for the events of that awful day.

Do people expect this man to be found guilty and imprisoned as sort of a sacrificial lamb, or do you expect him to eventually be found not guilty? Are more charges against other soldiers likely?
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The families have just said they will continue to fight for further prosecutions.

Regarding the one confirmed prosecution I fully expect he will get off.
 
An absolute disgrace, I can't say I'm surprised though. It's such a shame for the families that have campaigned so hard. Murdering bstrds that won't get punished. Williamson making a statement really helps nobody, more insulting.
 
Is anyone really surprised. I'm guessing soldier F is either very old and/or very ill and would never actually do any jail time even if convicted.
 
The only surprise is that there is actually going to be a single prosecution at all. Honestly thought there wouldn’t even be that.
 
11101 said:
Fairly obvious attempt to placate NI with the current political situation as it is and the increasing activity of the IRA.
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Obvious? Who exactly is this supposed to placate?

edit, support>supposed
 
11101 said:
Scotland.... who do you think?
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I'm honestly at a loss. You could argue the point either way. Do you think letting the majority of them off is trying to placate the DUP who are opposed to any justice here, or do you think the decision to charge one is to placate the families of murdered unarmed civilians?
 
Ramshock said:
This would be a big story anywhere else in the West. Here its just been swept under the rug for decades.
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Thats always been the British strategy with these things though hasn't it. Drag it out for decades in the hope that the guilty are all dead or dying by the time they actually begin to address it.
 
stevoc said:
Thats always been the British strategy with these things though hasn't it. Drag it out for decades in the hope that the guilty are all dead or dying by the time they actually begin to address it.
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exact same with the Ballymurphy inquiry, pretty much a carbon copy atrocity carried out by state forces that preceded Bloody Sunday
 
The British government has mastered the art of sweeping things under the rug and the British public has mastered the art of ignoring or excusing the country's poor behaviour whilst it's happening and then giving it the old 'let the past be the past' if it comes up later on.
 
And then you have people who think like this:

foolsgold said:
Not our problem. Something for the EU & Ireland to sort out.

To be blunt saying the UK can't set its own trade and immigration polices because some terrorists in South Armagh wouldn't like it and would plant some bombs isn't acceptable. It's pandering to the threat of violence. No nation can operate on that basis.
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poleglass red said:
exact same with the Ballymurphy inquiry, pretty much a carbon copy atrocity carried out by state forces that preceded Bloody Sunday
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Yeah its a disgrace, these murders were covered up at the time and decades later they're still trying to sweep them under the rug. And it honestly wouldn't surprise me if some of the same cowardly scumbag paratroopers were involved in both atrocities.
 
I have a "football" question. Tried to google it but found nothing. Is religion still an issue regarding NT? Are Catholic players playing for NT? Are Catholics supporting NI or Ireland?

I am sorry for my ignorance regarding this topic.
 
Andycoleno9 said:
I have a "football" question. Tried to google it but found nothing. Is religion still an issue regarding NT? Are Catholic players playing for NT? Are Catholics supporting NI or Ireland?

I am sorry for my ignorance regarding this topic.
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It's a personal choice . There are Catholics playing for Northern Ireland at the moment I'm pretty sure the Manager is Catholic.

It's just down to choice really people make to much of it . Personally myself I would rather play for The Republic as I grew up supporting them over Northern Ireland and don't fancy playing for supporters who sing fk the pope etc which a minority still do

Maybe it's where and how you are bought up . I grew up in a very a nationalist town during the troubles .
 
lsd said:
It's a personal choice . There are Catholics playing for Northern Ireland at the moment I'm pretty sure the Manager is Catholic.

It's just down to choice really people make to much of it . Personally myself I would rather play for The Republic as I grew up supporting them over Northern Ireland and don't fancy playing for supporters who sing fk the pope etc which a minority still do

Maybe it's where and how you are bought up . I grew up in a very a nationalist town during the troubles .
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Im a northern ireland fan and there does be sectarian chants. Even as a protestant it is a bit much and entirely understandable why catholic players and fans would naturally gravitate to roi
 
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