Northern Ireland Thread

The video is nuts, what looks like a group of kids (hard to tell as it's far away) walk right past the car. The days when it was just a part of life are gone and we can't be going back to that.
 
Art Vandelay said:
The video is nuts, what looks like a group of kids (hard to tell as it's far away) walk right past the car. The days when it was just a part of life are gone and we can't be going back to that.
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While I wish what you said was true, the hatred in the hardline areas/communities has never went away. The fact that the PSNI are completely incompetent at most things doesn’t help matters. I know for a fact there are areas they simply do not go to to do the job they are supposed to doesn’t help. They are now more than ever a ticket writing police force who are so frightened about upsetting people, they rely on the community to police themselves.
 
Ramshock said:
Im not one for conspiracies but apparently British Army trucks were rolling into town the day before the bomb. Too much of a coincidence if true.
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The army will prob be back as part of a no deal brexit plan

Unfortunately

I’m wondering if the bomb is a reminder as we all talk about hard or soft borders etc
 
InLevyITrust said:
Just a matter of time before it all kicks off again, times changed? People moved on? My arse. It hasn’t changed much in the grand scheme of things and once *the boys* on both sides get their significant funding cut they will get bored and start all the shite again.
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That's not true the support for any return of conflict is simply not there.

As in any country in the world it is impossible to stop a few lunatics from undertaking terrorist acts like this, they speak for no-one.
 
Ramshock said:
Im not one for conspiracies but apparently British Army trucks were rolling into town the day before the bomb. Too much of a coincidence if true.
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There's been army trucks in Derry for a while now .
 
edgar allan said:
That's not true the support for any return of conflict is simply not there.

As in any country in the world it is impossible to stop a few lunatics from undertaking terrorist acts like this, they speak for no-one.
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It’s not just a few lunatics, this line has been done to death over the years and it’s BS. These groups still exsist and have a lot of influence over the communities they reside.

golden_blunder said:
You from Derry too?
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Nah, Ballymena but I am in Derry a fair bit. I was actually in the courthouse last week.
 
Ramshock said:
it isnt 1980, if they knew it was going to happen they would have just lifted the suspects.
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Have to dissagree with ya, as you said it’s not the 80s anymore and the Army can’t just lift people now and the PSNI is a lame duck, more chance of them lifting you for driving offences than actual terrorist activity.
 
InLevyITrust said:
Have to dissagree with ya, as you said it’s not the 80s anymore and the Army can’t just lift people now and the PSNI is a lame duck, more chance of them lifting you for driving offences than actual terrorist activity.
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No lad. If Army/PSNI knew ahead of time as useless as the PSNI are they would have lifted someone.
 
Do you guys feel that it's an isolated action or part of a broader movement/political climate?
 
JPRouve said:
Do you guys feel that it's an isolated action or part of a broader movement/political climate?
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It's an isolated incident in the sense that it's the first car bomb to go off in years - however there is no doubt that tensions have been brewing for many years particularly around Derry and other border areas, the dissidents are a small group but do have support in some areas (though generally they have next to no support outside of those areas) - Most people in NI have moved on and want nothing to do with all this stuff and are horrified at the thought of any trouble starting again. The dissidents probably number less than 100 people in total (probably way less than that) and those that support them are probably on a few hundred more - it's not big number and it's not got support in the wider community but it only takes one person to plant a bomb or to pull a trigger.
 
balaks said:
It's an isolated incident in the sense that it's the first car bomb to go off in years - however there is no doubt that tensions have been brewing for many years particularly around Derry and other border areas, the dissidents are a small group but do have support in some areas (though generally they have next to no support outside of those areas) - Most people in NI have moved on and want nothing to do with all this stuff and are horrified at the thought of any trouble starting again. The dissidents probably number less than 100 people in total (probably way less than that) and those that support them are probably on a few hundred more - it's not big number and it's not got support in the wider community but it only takes one person to plant a bomb or to pull a trigger.
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Thanks.
 
balaks said:
It's an isolated incident in the sense that it's the first car bomb to go off in years - however there is no doubt that tensions have been brewing for many years particularly around Derry and other border areas, the dissidents are a small group but do have support in some areas (though generally they have next to no support outside of those areas) - Most people in NI have moved on and want nothing to do with all this stuff and are horrified at the thought of any trouble starting again. The dissidents probably number less than 100 people in total (probably way less than that) and those that support them are probably on a few hundred more - it's not big number and it's not got support in the wider community but it only takes one person to plant a bomb or to pull a trigger.
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When you say dissidents are you talking about republican paramilitarys in general of the rogue groups e.g. the Real IRA? There are many, many more than 100 paramilitaries on both sides. Look at the shit going on in Carrick for example or where I live in Ballymena. The UDA held a recent resident meeting in Ballymena where over 250 people turned up with regards to the Romany population in the town.
 
JPRouve said:
Do you guys feel that it's an isolated action or part of a broader movement/political climate?
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It’s clearly due to the current state of Europe and the threat of the hard border and no deal. I’d say a section of the dissidents probably feel it’s a good time to kick off. Apart from having to rely on the DUP I would say the vast majority of the Tories would happily sell us off to the South, I do think however a border poll would be a very tight run thing with it not being the landslide most think.
 
InLevyITrust said:
When you say dissidents are you talking about republican paramilitarys in general of the rogue groups e.g. the Real IRA? There are many, many more than 100 paramilitaries on both sides. Look at the shit going on in Carrick for example or where I live in Ballymena. The UDA held a recent resident meeting in Ballymena where over 250 people turned up with regards to the Romany population in the town.
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Dissidents as in Dissident Republicans and there are only small numbers of them active. The UDA/UVF, etc. all remain in force in most Loyalist estates all around the country but they are criminal gangs with no interest in the wider political situation at all, they are just after power and money that can be extracted from their own communities.
 
balaks said:
Dissidents as in Dissident Republicans and there are only small numbers of them active. The UDA/UVF, etc. all remain in force in most Loyalist estates all around the country but they are criminal gangs with no interest in the wider political situation at all, they are just after power and money that can be extracted from their own communities.
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They also still get massive *community support grants*, once that stops I do wonder what will happen. Dispite all the bright future talk a lot of NI is still the same and has just been left in a holding pattern due to the GFA.
 
InLevyITrust said:
They also still get massive *community support grants*, once that stops I do wonder what will happen. Dispite all the bright future talk a lot of NI is still the same and has just been left in a holding pattern due to the GFA.
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You seem to be a lot more pessimistic than I am - Northern Ireland has changed completely since I was a kid in a good way - there is no appetite for us to go backwards and despite a few idiots trying stuff it will never go back to the old days.
 
balaks said:
You seem to be a lot more pessimistic than I am - Northern Ireland has changed completely since I was a kid in a good way - there is no appetite for us to go backwards and despite a few idiots trying stuff it will never go back to the old days.
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I don't know who supports these guys in Derry ,everyone I know considers them a bunch of morons .
 
lsd said:
I don't know who supports these guys in Derry ,everyone I know considers them a bunch of morons .
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Exactly - we are talking about a small group being supported by another small group in the community. Most people think they are morons.
 
balaks said:
You seem to be a lot more pessimistic than I am - Northern Ireland has changed completely since I was a kid in a good way - there is no appetite for us to go backwards and despite a few idiots trying stuff it will never go back to the old days.
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Yet people still vote for Sinn Fean and the DUP and will do cause of tribal ties. This whole line of “they have no support* was bandied round in the 90s and even the 80s yet no one came out to do anything about them. Of course it’s not as bad as then but I still know many, many people who are still as bigoted as they were.

Did you watch any of the Nolan youth shows? Yes he’s a wanker but it just showed attitudes in some youth think exactly the same way as I did 20 years ago. Where I live the some streets have tricolour flags, Palestine flags, Union flags, Isreal flags, same graffiti on the walls. We have been in a holding pattern since the GFA and now when it comes to the crunch of it the same shit is happening.
 
InLevyITrust said:
Yet people still vote for Sinn Fean and the DUP and will do cause of tribal ties. This whole line of “they have no support* was bandied round in the 90s and even the 80s yet no one came out to do anything about them. Of course it’s not as bad as then but I still know many, many people who are still as bigoted as they were.

Did you watch any of the Nolan youth shows? Yes he’s a wanker but it just showed attitudes in some youth think exactly the same way as I did 20 years ago. Where I live the some streets have tricolour flags, Palestine flags, Union flags, Isreal flags, same graffiti on the walls. We have been in a holding pattern since the GFA and now when it comes to the crunch of it the same shit is happening.
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I don't vote for anyone as its a total waste of time . However the dissidents in Derry have nothing to do with Sinn Fein and certainly are not supported by them .

In my opinion the one good thing about a United Ireland is that Noone will care about Sinn Fein and the DUP then as they will be small fries with little say in anything
 
InLevyITrust said:
It’s not just a few lunatics, this line has been done to death over the years and it’s BS. These groups still exsist and have a lot of influence over the communities they reside.
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Just like gangs they can have some power over local areas without having community support.
The broad republican community are appalled by these actions
 
InLevyITrust said:
Yet people still vote for Sinn Fean and the DUP and will do cause of tribal ties. This whole line of “they have no support* was bandied round in the 90s and even the 80s yet no one came out to do anything about them. Of course it’s not as bad as then but I still know many, many people who are still as bigoted as they were.

Did you watch any of the Nolan youth shows? Yes he’s a wanker but it just showed attitudes in some youth think exactly the same way as I did 20 years ago. Where I live the some streets have tricolour flags, Palestine flags, Union flags, Isreal flags, same graffiti on the walls. We have been in a holding pattern since the GFA and now when it comes to the crunch of it the same shit is happening.
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Those who lived through the troubles generally are completely against any sort of return to those days. Yes there remains bigotry in some areas and demographics and that is something that as a society we have to continue to work on but you can't ignore that complete transformation there has been in this country, the atmosphere on the streets and the (on the whole) lack of people giving a shit about what background somebody is from.

You can talk about DUP and Sinn Fein and of course it's depressing how polarised the politics has become here but I think a lot of that is due to complete apathy that most people have towards politicians here - the DUP and Sinn Fein have their bases who will vote for them regardless whilst most of us who don't really want to get involved with that shit just get on with our lives. There is still fear in some sections of the community because that is what these people stoke up and many people will vote for them because of that fear of 'what themuns' would do if they had power. It's all bollocks and I think most people realise that.
 
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