Northern Ireland Thread

Irwynwastheking said:
Anyone who didn't think that a proportion of the IRA decommissioned arms was stashed away by them warmongering scumbags is in cuckoo land. It's not a shock and it's not that important. The act of the actual PIRA putting the vast majority of it's arms and decommissioning itself was the big deal.
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Michael McKevitt was the quartermaster general of the provos before he split away from the provisionals and created RIRA. I think the general consensus has always been that he raided a couple of arms dumps for his new group, I think people would be naive to think otherwise anyway.
 
The riots and all the other nonsense had been going on for 4 or 5 days before this thread was bumped. Doesn't really add up with apparently being so eager to jump on loyalist issues.
 
Scrumpet said:
The riots and all the other nonsense had been going on for 4 or 5 days before this thread was bumped. Doesn't really add up with apparently being so eager to jump on loyalist issues.
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You have your opinion. I have mine. A terrorism thread was bumped for rioting but not for something related to terrorism. Make of it whatever you like.
 
Irwynwastheking said:
I never look at the RTE website and with the hours I work I never see the news. Like I said I get my news from word of mouth, FB, here and surfing the net. If I missed something then I apologise.

Anyone who didn't think that a proportion of the IRA decommissioned arms was stashed away by them warmongering scumbags is in cuckoo land. It's not a shock and it's not that important. The act of the actual PIRA putting the vast majority of it's arms and decommissioning itself was the big deal. A few psycho's intent on dragging Ireland back to the dark days hiding a few guns during the process isn't that big a news. Delighted the Guards got the weapons before they got a chance to use them on either Protestant / Catholic people as any right minded person would be.
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You've nothing to be apologetic about. I've probably missed a lot more than you have. I'm not exactly a big current affairs man. It's part of the reason I thought it's strange that those who are didn't mention it.

I wouldn't agree it's not important. I'd say it's very important.
 
An Irish Red said:
Michael McKevitt was the quartermaster general of the provos before he split away from the provisionals and created RIRA. I think the general consensus has always been that he raided a couple of arms dumps for his new group, I think people would be naive to think otherwise anyway.
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I think it's naive to think any paramilitary group decommissioned all their weapons. A criminal empire can't be run with sticks and stones.
 
Attacking cops with bricks, petrol bombs pipe bombs and CEREMONIAL SWORDS is a form of terrorism you feckin tithead. Stop trying to dominate this thread with your definitions. Chucking a molotov at a peeler during a riot is just as much terrorism as kneecapping somecunt in an alley
 
Ramshock said:
Attacking cops with bricks, petrol bombs pipe bombs and CEREMONIAL SWORDS is a form of terrorism you feckin tithead. Stop trying to dominate this thread with your definitions. Chucking a molotov at a peeler during a riot is just as much terrorism as kneecapping somecunt in an alley
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Yeah, all that could be said without being an aggressive prick. It's probably beyond you though. I've broken no rules in my posts and I don't believe it's your job to moderate but thanks.
 
acnumber9 said:
You've nothing to be apologetic about. I've probably missed a lot more than you have. I'm not exactly a big current affairs man. It's part of the reason I thought it's strange that those who are didn't mention it.

I wouldn't agree it's not important. I'd say it's very important.
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TBH the only comment I would have made on that would be to congratulate the police and Guards anyway. It's not like something terrible happened that needed condemning. The terrible thing was avoided if you get what I mean.
 
Irwynwastheking said:
TBH the only comment I would have made on that would be to congratulate the police and Guards anyway. It's not like something terrible happened that needed condemning. The terrible thing was avoided if you get what I mean.
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That's a pretty good reason but I suppose it depends on whether is this being used as a thread for news etc or just condemnation. In fairness it would be a pretty dull update. I'd say Gerry Kelly obstructing police is more of an issue for debate than the guns if not quite as important.
 
Irwynwastheking said:
We should have a Peace and Reconciliation thread where we just all try to get along!
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Would never work, it'd just turn into a game of tit for tat. Which incidentally is what this thread has sort of been about. Never mind "my side", look what yours did!!!!

Random tangent but, why is everyone here so fat now? Seriously, we're overrun with big, fat, obese feckers.
 
PhilipB said:
Would never work, it'd just turn into a game of tit for tat. Which incidentally is what this thread has sort of been about. Never mind "my side", look what yours did!!!!

Random tangent but, why is everyone here so fat now? Seriously, we're overrun with big, fat, obese feckers.
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Same reason as everywhere has, too many entertainment options and not enough physical activity
 
PhilipB said:
Would never work, it'd just turn into a game of tit for tat. Which incidentally is what this thread has sort of been about. Never mind "my side", look what yours did!!!!

Random tangent but, why is everyone here so fat now? Seriously, we're overrun with big, fat, obese feckers.
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I'm nearly 15 fecking stone.
  • Broken ankle
  • Football "career" over
  • Stopped smoking
  • Job sitting on my arse all day with unusual hours.
 
PhilipB said:
Would never work, it'd just turn into a game of tit for tat. Which incidentally is what this thread has sort of been about. Never mind "my side", look what yours did!!!!

Random tangent but, why is everyone here so fat now? Seriously, we're overrun with big, fat, obese feckers.
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Except nobody has done that. I hate the concept of sides. The notion of it is ridiculouzls given the minimal differnces in the 'cultures'. All I've mentioned is the thread is lopsided in what is debated. It's a fact whether you choose to ignore it or not.
 
acnumber9 said:
Who?
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Well if you have to ask...

Problem now is that the Orange Order and their supporters are a dying breed, trying to cling on to the last little piece of shit they ever thought they held. Good riddance and you can't stop the march of equality, no matter how much of a fuss you think you can kick up.

Bye bye!
 
acnumber9 said:
Except nobody has done that. I hate the concept of sides. The notion of it is ridiculouzls given the minimal differnces in the 'cultures'. All I've mentioned is the thread is lopsided in what is debated. It's a fact whether you choose to ignore it or not.
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Yea nobody has did that?

You hate the concept of "sides"? The whole fecking thing is about sides, it's tribalism whichever way you cut it. The only problem is that too many people on both sides are uneducated and unwilling to realise they're getting fecked by those who're riling them up and sending them out on the streets.

It's not a fact. Your opinion doesn't make it a fact. You can choose to ignore this if you want, what I say won't be a fact.
 
PhilipB said:
Yea nobody has did that?

You hate the concept of "sides"? The whole fecking thing is about sides, it's tribalism whichever way you cut it. The only problem is that too many people on both sides are uneducated and unwilling to realise they're getting fecked by those who're riling them up and sending them out on the streets.

It's not a fact. Your opinion doesn't make it a fact. You can choose to ignore this if you want, what I say won't be a fact.
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It's not an opinion that something has been reported in the thread. It's a fact.
 
PhilipB said:
Well if you have to ask...

Problem now is that the Orange Order and their supporters are a dying breed, trying to cling on to the last little piece of shit they ever thought they held. Good riddance and you can't stop the march of equality, no matter how much of a fuss you think you can kick up.

Bye bye!
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I'm not trying to stop any equality and I'm not in the Orange Order. You probably shouldn't post on the matter under the influence.
 
PhilipB said:
I didn't mean "you" personally, I meant the OO. I don't know anything about you.

Probably! :lol:
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The use of the word you in a post in which you quoted me suggested you were lumping me in with them. Easy mistake to make.
 
acnumber9 said:
Except nobody has done that. I hate the concept of sides. The notion of it is ridiculouzls given the minimal differnces in the 'cultures'. All I've mentioned is the thread is lopsided in what is debated. It's a fact whether you choose to ignore it or not.
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I really don't understand how you can resent criticism of the Orange Order then. They've arguably done more to entrench division in Northern Ireland than any other non-paramilitary organisation. Their entire raison d'etre is sectarian. If they attract more comment in here than dissident republicans its because they have a far more prominent voice in the political process. Virtually everyone acknowledges that the dissidents are unrepresentative scumbags. The Orange Order on the contrary are still very much part of mainstream politics in Northern Ireland.
 
Pat_Mustard said:
I really don't understand how you can resent criticism of the Orange Order then. They've arguably done more to entrench division in Northern Ireland than any other non-paramilitary organisation. Their entire raison d'etre is sectarian. If they attract more comment in here than dissident republicans its because they have a far more prominent voice in the political process. Virtually everyone acknowledges that the dissidents are unrepresentative scumbags. The Orange Order on the contrary are still very much part of mainstream politics in Northern Ireland.
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I don't resent it. They deserve any criticism they get but let's not pretend republicans don't have a massive part to play in local politics. Sinn Fein love seeing this trouble.
 
acnumber9 said:
I don't resent it. They deserve any criticism they get but let's not pretend republicans don't have a massive part to play in local politics. Sinn Fein love seeing this trouble.
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Both sets of political parties do. It's the unionist parties that are actively encouraging the violence, though. SF just have to sit back and smile, whilst coming up with another plan of their own to create more trouble.
 
At this stage though dissident republican activity is if anything a vote loser for Sinn Fein. Dealing with the fall out from it is basically an exercise in damage limitation for them.

The worrying thing is that the unionist parties seem at times to be falling over each other in their attempts to be the most vocal apologists of Orange Order inspired violence.
 
The Don said:
Both sets of political parties do. It's the unionist parties that are actively encouraging the violence, though. SF just have to sit back and smile, whilst coming up with another plan of their own to create more trouble.
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True. The scary thing is these are the people we have running the country. What hope do we have?
 
"A 2011 survey by the Northern Ireland Life and Times survey found that 52% of Northern Irish Catholic respondents favoured union with Great Britain over a united Ireland"

Thats off Wikipedia, but it raises the question as to what unionism actually stands for these days. The constitutional future of Northern Ireland as part of the United Kingdom has arguably never been more secure, yet we have to witness shite like this on the streets provoked by the Orange Order?

I'm one of those who was born into a catholic/nationalist background but who is basically pro-union in sympathy, yet all Northern Irish unionism does is repel me. It really is a strange, peculiarly backward ideology that deserves far more scorn than its getting.
 
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