Sees 'boring' as drogatory but feels 'cnut' is cool. Interesting.
Northern Ireland Thread
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Yeah, but even if it his opinion, it's not just his.
Read what I was responding to.
I'll ask this question to both sides.
What is so important about holding on to your nationality?
Why the need to be affiliated with a country that really doesn't care about you one way or the other?
Why flaunt your nationality, like its some sort of award of achievement? Does it help you in any way? Does it put food on your table, money in your pocket or a roof over your head?
People complain that their culture/heritage is being taken away but if you go back far enough, probably none of our ancestors were indiginous to this island.
Add to this the fact that all of us are actually governed by the European Union, to me its starting to make less and less sense to seperate ourselves by nationality.
What is so important about holding on to your nationality?
Why the need to be affiliated with a country that really doesn't care about you one way or the other?
Why flaunt your nationality, like its some sort of award of achievement? Does it help you in any way? Does it put food on your table, money in your pocket or a roof over your head?
People complain that their culture/heritage is being taken away but if you go back far enough, probably none of our ancestors were indiginous to this island.
Add to this the fact that all of us are actually governed by the European Union, to me its starting to make less and less sense to seperate ourselves by nationality.
What do you add to these discussions PJ? Other than petty little digs? You constantly talk about what the Unionist side will never be able to do, whilst constantly giving off the air of a bitter little feck who will never let the past go. Your attitude makes you no better than those knobheads out on the streets.
What reconciliation are you interested in with your endless pettiness?
Read what I was responding to.
How long would it take me to find an insult that wasn't just reciprocation? Seconds more than minutes I'd wager.
Couldn't agree more, it's got to the point where it really is a load of auld shite. No compromise will please everyone so we'd be as well just doing what Philip I think it was suggested, and stick a pirates flag up.
So why the constant "It's a British State"?
Who do you think didn't know that? We were talking and are always talking in that context.
Think what it would be like if the counter argument was the 'It's an Irish Island"
Neither is relevant, we are here and it's now and both of those mantras need diluting.
Seriously, stop.
You're as one eyed as they come. And it's mostly digs you post, about a group of people you say won't let anything go, don't compromise, won't move on. What letting go and moving on do you think your smartarsed comments and digs portray?
Stop what? He's at it all the time and it just gets fecking ignored. I wouldn't get away with it.
Now we're talking, it'd be cool as feck I reckon.
Anyway, I'm not particularly interested in Nationalism or a United Ireland or most of that stuff. My main point was stemming from having equality for both sides, so that both feel they are represented equally. Maybe it's impossible to achieve, maybe it takes little baby steps as moses suggested. Simply stating "We are a British state, deal with it" or "We're Irish, this is occupied territory" hasn't worked and won't work.
Stop calling people cnuts, bitter fecks and arseholes?
Do I really need to explain that?
wow.
And where has PJ insulted you personally?
Show me one occasion where I've been in here slating nationalists or Republicans and calling them out for this or that? Not once. But Unionists can be made out to be all the cnuts of the day with impunity.
It's constant wee digs at the whole Unionist community. You make a fool of yourself if you pretend you don't see it.
He's entitled to not like Unionists, like you are entitled to call catholic areas shitholes.
You are not entitled to insult him personally.
I saw both so you can stop with your incorrect butthurt assumptions.
You change your rhetoric to suit the situation. A bunch of knobheads wearing Rangers scarfs riot and it's the whole Unionist community who have something to be ashamed about. Knobheads in Celtic scarves do the same and it's just knobheads. Nothing for you to feel any guilt for. You don't want change, you don't want reconciliation. As far as you're concerned we're all the same.
The same joke about flags that was told earlier in the thread about Union flags and painted kerbs.
same joke, different target, different reaction.
And you can insult someone for that, for a shit joke that irks you?
The answer is no.
It's sections both sides PJ, in different ways; and refusal to acknowledge that keeps the staus quo.
TN is on a CE holiday.
Baby steps, it's working.
Yep. Its the politicians that are to blame for sure, on both sides. Its plain to see that neither side's politicians want peace. They just want power. Woe betide the fools that follow them.
I think the reasons for taking it down are more questionable, tbh.
I've lived my whole life in a 100% nationalist area of West Belfast.
I've heard the grand total of 'feck all' people complain about the Union Flag being flown at City Hall and even less that knew it was there.
They say it was a 'democratic decision' to take the flag down. Was it really?
How many people got the chance to vote on the subject? None.
It was noting more than one political party, trying to get one over on the other.
A pure cock measuring exercise. The thing that gets me is, they did it, knowing full well what the repercussions would be.
A lot less than would were it not banned.
You can't ban a language, put us in jail for learning it on the sly then give us shit for not knowing it as a nation. That's just not cricket.
You thinking of reclaiming the States too? None of them speak Sioux.
Makes the need for signage a little needless really.
For a decision of that magnitude, knowing the outrage it would cause, they couldn't have waited and done a referendum? Bollocks.
It was a contrived and stupid decision that has potentially set the country back years.
It was never a big issue for Catholics, living in Belfast but they knew right well it was a big issue for the loyalist community.
Also, lets be honest, we never have and never will live in a 'shared city'. There are elements on both sides who will never want it to be a shared city and they seem to be the only clowns that give a feck about all this. The rest of us just want to forget it and live our lives in relative peace.
A referendum on whether to fly a fecking flag? A decision of magnitude? Wise up tdon!
SF have played a text book move in this, and got exactly what they wanted.
PJ, to clear up the confusion, I was stating what I've heard uttered many times. Perception.
No, I don't have any financial facts to back it up, nor can I be arsed to go digging as I don't believe it can be proven or disproven.
Gerry Kelly? Used to like his chat show
With respect PJ, they didn't say that it was anything to do with being in line with other UK cities, certainly not before it was taken down. They should have known what a backlash would occur in Belfast. These people are supposed to be leaders. This could, and should have been handled better
PJ, please stop being so naive. I totally get what you are saying and I am in no way suggesting that violence should win but do you honestly think that SF wanted this flag down for the good of the city, or even their own community? Were they thinking it would all go off peacefully?
The fact is, that it didn't matter to anyone that the flag was being flown, so why change it?
They done it, knowing what would happen, knowing the backlash that would occur, it was a brilliant move in many ways. They've demoralised the loyalist community, made them loose their faith in their leaders and in democracy and are sitting safe in their lovely big homes, watching the country tear itself apart, again.
I'll put it to you this way.
PJ, democratically, you have every right to poke this big angry bear with a stick. It will go crazy and more than likely try to kill you but still, don't let the threat of violence stop you from doing it.
Also, the decision to poke the bear, won't just effect you but everyone else around you. Half the people don't want you to poke the bear and the other half didn't know it was there but go ahead, poke it.
It's a symbol of the dual heritage and communities. Why does it bother you? It's adding to the signs, not diluting them surely? It's not like they are replacing the signs. Lots of the placenames have a link to the langauge anyway, so it's not an empty gesture by any stretch.
You keep saying this, but you and I both know you don't believe it.
How many times has the nationalist community went buck mad and started riots when a 'democratic decision' didn't go our way?
They knew it would happen. 100%
So you're saying they badly misjudged the political climate? Yeah, that's just the type of morons I want representing me.
People have to accept that concessions have to be made. And this sort of violent protest is not on. End of story. The motives of the polititians can be guessed at but the idiots on the streets are obviously wrong.