Northern Ireland Thread

The Don said:
So you're saying they badly misjudged the political climate? Yeah, that's just the type of morons I want representing me.
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Who do you want representing you? People that are scared to make decisions? I don't think you can lose sight of the fact that these violent twats are violent twats. And wrong. And ideally should not influence policy. You think this mobilsed them from slumber or are they just using this as an excuse to vent pent up frustration?
 
moses said:
People have to accept that concessions have to be made. And this sort of violent protest is not on. End of story. The motives of the polititians can be guessed at but the idiots on the streets are obviously wrong.
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Yeah, I'm not saying that those thugs out rioting have any right to do so, I'm not even saying they have a right to be angry. All I'm saying is, I believe that those who took the decision knew what was coming and had their own agenda behind it.

Nobody will ever convince me that SF or DUP etc. want peace. They just want power.
 
moses said:
Who do you want representing you? People that are scared to make decisions? I don't think you can lose sight of the fact that these violent twats are violent twats. And wrong. And ideally should not influence policy. You think this mobilsed them from slumber or are they just using this as an excuse to vent pent up frustration?
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No, that was just me being sarcastic. They didn't misjudge the situation, at all.
As my previous post explains, I don't even think the unionist/loyalist community has any right to be angry about the decision, well not this angry anyways.
 
moses said:
It's a symbol of the dual heritage and communities. Why does it bother you? It's adding to the signs, not diluting them surely? It's not like they are replacing the signs. Lots of the placenames have a link to the langauge anyway, so it's not an empty gesture by any stretch.
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It doesn't bother me. Just seems silly. Everybody speaks English.
 
I'm too far away to understand what the motives of the politicians was. What you are saying is plausible, but that said governing with an awareness of that bubbling and potential anger is not easy either. Maybe the thing to do was to let out over something trivial like this rather than something huge that could really become explosive beyond the fringe nutters.
 
acnumber9 said:
It doesn't bother me. Just seems silly. Everybody speaks English.
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A gesture that both acts as an olive branch to the historically disenfrachinchised section of your state and acknowledges the cultural heritage of the land you live on is silly?

OK.


We do have a long way to go.
 
moses said:
I'm too far away to understand what the motives of the politicians was. What you are saying is plausible, but that said governing with an awareness of that bubbling and potential anger is not easy either. Maybe the thing to do was to let out over something trivial like this rather than something huge that could really become explosive beyond the fringe nutters.
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I get that you need strong leaders, who will make difficult decisions but for all the trouble this one has caused, was it worth it? It didn't really matter to anybody beforehand, now we have a situation where the unionists/loyalists will not give up till it is reversed and if it is reversed, the nationalists will go crazy.

They should not have poked that bear, not over something so trivial.
 
The Don said:
That's a paradox. They want peace on their terms but their terms will never find peace.
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Probably so. They both want to be the ones that govern a peaceful NI, but that's the same as all politicians everywhere, bar a few luminaries.

So therefore it's up to the people. Sort it out Don. Everyone loves the postman, and you have a unifrom so look important.
 
The Don said:
I get that you need strong leaders, who will make difficult decisions but for all the trouble this one has caused, was it worth it? It didn't really matter to anybody beforehand, now we have a situation where the unionists/loyalists will not give up till it is reversed and if it is reversed, the nationalists will go crazy.

They should not have poked that bear, not over something so trivial.
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Who knows what is going on is what I meant. And maybe the bear needed poking and doing it over something trivial that sparked only the lunatic fringe was the way to go. What I'm trying to say is that motives are all speculation, which is easy from down here in the bosom of the Free State I suppose.
 
The Don said:
I get that you need strong leaders, who will make difficult decisions but for all the trouble this one has caused, was it worth it? It didn't really matter to anybody beforehand, now we have a situation where the unionists/loyalists will not give up till it is reversed and if it is reversed, the nationalists will go crazy.

They should not have poked that bear, not over something so trivial.
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If that's the way they respond to something trivial then how exactly are we supposed to move forward?
 
moses said:
A gesture that both acts as an olive branch to the historically disenfrachinchised section of your state and acknowledges the cultural heritage of the land you live on is silly?

OK.


We do have a long way to go.
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Having signs in a language nobody speaks? Yes I find it a bit silly. I doubt many give a feck.
 
moses said:
Probably so. They both want to be the ones that govern a peaceful NI, but that's the same as all politicians everywhere, bar a few luminaries.

So therefore it's up to the people. Sort it out Don. Everyone loves the postman, and you have a unifrom so look important.
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I'm starting The Neutral Party.

We shall be a collective of individuals who are willing to forgo their national identity in the name of peace.

We shill fly only a white flag, with one of those hippy peace signs on it and our numbers shall be great. We shall advocate the use of marijuana for medicinal and recreational purposes and live in the same communities.

As our numbers grow, other people will realise that because they are not getting any attention, they may aswell join us.

Everyone will live in relative peace and safety.
 
The sad thing is that SF and DUP are the 2 biggest parties. I can't say that any party really represents me. When i was younger I used to vote SDLP and I'm a prod! I had great respect for John Hume and his party back then
 
That's not just a NI thing GB, there are few parties on the globe I agree with or feel represent me.
 
moses said:
It's not really just about that.

You ever read a history book? If so why?
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No. If I was going to it would be to learn something I didn't know. There would therefore be a logical point to it. Not sure how this is connected. You're not really comparing like for like. A closer comparison would be caring about a flag being flown. Equally silly and utterly pointless.
 
golden_blunder said:
The sad thing is that SF and DUP are the 2 biggest parties. I can't say that any party really represents me. When i was younger I used to vote SDLP and I'm a prod! I had great respect for John Hume and his party back then
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They're all idiots. Even more so than other mainland politicians and that's saying something. Too many people in positions of power simply because of their religion than what talent they have.
 
PhilipB said:
How much does it cost to start your own party? I reckon it couldn't be that hard to get a couple thousand votes, push for the legalising of cannabis ( It'll never happen but it will keep the students and druggies happy), longer opening hours for pubs and clubs (Again, students) and have it so there's no political agenda either way as far as Loyalism or Republicanism goes.

Could be onto a winner here. I'd vote for me.
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And screw you, Tdon. My idea, my party! Don't make me go to war over this.
 
acnumber9 said:
No. If I was going to it would be to learn something I didn't know. There would therefore be a logical point to it. Not sure how this is connected. You're not really comparing like for like. A closer comparison would be caring about a flag being flown. Equally silly and utterly pointless.
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I am comparing like for like, it's about heritage. The language may have fenian symbolism to you but it is entwined in the placenames of the land you live on. Both communites and their modern grievinces share the same land and it has one history. Some of you place names are anglicisations, and some are translations. It's a huge wealth of things that got us here today and the broader the focus the less entrenched. Flags and colours are insignificant in comparison. That is the logical point to it.

And if you have no bent for disinterested intellectual curiosity, then be glad that all the others want is a few silly signs. If only they said that earlier.
 
moses said:
I am comparing like for like, it's about heritage. The language may have fenian symbolism to you but it is entwined in the placenames of the land you live on. Both communites and their modern grievinces share the same land and it has one history. Some of you place names are anglicisations, and some are translations. Flags and colours are insignificant in comparison. That is the logical point to it.

And if you have no bent for disinterested intellectual curiosity, then be glad that all the others want is a few silly signs. If only they said that earlier.
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The language means nothing to me and has no symbolism to me.

A road sign is there to direct people. That is it's logical purpose. Having them in a language nobody speaks is illogical and a bit silly to me. Their being there really doesn't bother me though.
 
acnumber9 said:
The language means nothing to me and has no symbolism to me.

A road sign is there to direct people. That is it's logical purpose. Having them in a language nobody speaks is illogical and a bit silly to me. Their being there really doesn't bother me though as long as there's one in English too.
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Which there is, so all good. It doesn't bother you and means quite a bit to sections of the nationalist community. For me, in the context of NI, that is far from silly.
 
acnumber9 said:
The language means nothing to me and has no symbolism to me.

A road sign is there to direct people. That is it's logical purpose. Having them in a language nobody speaks is illogical and a bit silly to me. Their being there really doesn't bother me though.
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Don't denigrate something you don't understand. The Irish language is being taught widespread throughout the north and of course the south. Just because you don't use it doesn't mean its not used. My son is 3 years old and already has a strong grasp of Gaelige and he goes to an Irish language school. Because of this I am relearning the language and my wife is also learning it. His school is thriving and its non denominational and not political at all.
 
Flags and road signs.

Probably time all concerned took a step back and grew up a bit isn't it?
 
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