No that says they don't want to be part of the republic (not surprising in the current economic climate). The de facto reality is that NI is a new state and should get on with it without hankering after being united or British.
Northern Ireland Thread
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What do you think will happen on Saturday? It'll either go down without any problem whatsoever or there'll be absolute carnage. I'm guessing the latter. I'm glad I'm not working until the evening.
It's a British state, whether anyone likes it or otherwise. I see no other countries flying the flags of neighbouring/bordering countries.
(And before any Nationalists get annoyed, I know the history and I know the claim you have to Northern Ireland, but whether you think it right or otherwise, currently it isn't part of a United Ireland, it's a British state).
Nobody said it's part of a United Ireland. So no idea why you brought that up. It's not as black and white as you make it either. Otherwise there'd be no trouble.
How would both sides feel about the Northern Irish flag being raised?
It isn't though, that's the point. And as lovely as that all sounds, it will never be agreeable to any kind of majority, on any side. Unionists will want the Union, nationalists will want a United Ireland. Your new de facto state wouldn't be accepted by anyone. In fact, I actually think more Nationalists would be against it being a country of it's own more so than Unionists, since they don't acknowledge Northern Ireland's existence, in any way, shape or form.
It is as black and white as that though. Currently it is part of the Union, therefore the Union flag is flown. Until it is part of a combined Ireland, the Irish flag won't be flown, since it isn't the flag of the state, it's a foreign flag.
What part do you disagree with?
I don't mean to be rude but who cares? This is Unionists going mental over a flag. This has nowt to do with tricolours or any other flag. This is not a both sides issue, sometimes you have to look at who is acting the cock and deal with them.
Hard to tell. I don't give a feck either way, personally. But many nationalists refuse to acknowledge Northern Ireland as an entity, so they probably wouldn't like it. And a lot of Unionists seem to want their Union Jack.
Which other countries are in a similar situation?
Agreed, but the only reason the tricolor is being mentioned is because someone asked the question. Perhaps it shouldn't have been answered.
So why are people born there allowed to represent us in sport?
If it was as simple as you claim that wouldn't be allowed.
What situation is that then? Disputed citizenship? I'd imagine half of Eastern Europe.
Because the people have duel citizenship. The state doesn't though, it's a British state and part of the Union. The people can claim Irish citizenship as they wish, they currently live on British soil though, until such times as it's handed over.
Personally I don't see the big deal, I was just wondering what the Unionists would think of it.
Also the whole ''Tri colour is a foriegn flag'' you're right, The 6 counties wheher rightly or wrongly remain in the UK, but remember that there are ''between 500,000 to 1,000,000 Irish passport holders'' in Northern Ireland. According to the home office. with over 400,000 new Irish passports being issued since the Good Friday Agreement according to the Irish Independent. It really is a lot more complicated then ''It's a British state, deal with it''
Also the whole ''Tri colour is a foriegn flag'' you're right, The 6 counties wheher rightly or wrongly remain in the UK, but remember that there are ''between 500,000 to 1,000,000 Irish passport holders'' in Northern Ireland. According to the home office. with over 400,000 new Irish passports being issued since the Good Friday Agreement according to the Irish Independent. It really is a lot more complicated then ''It's a British state, deal with it''
It isn't really though. Until anything changes, it's a British state, therefore the official flag that will fly on allotted occassions will be the Union Jack. It really is that straightforward i'm afraid. If things ever change and the country becomes unified then the simple fact will be that it is no longer a British state and the Union Jack won't be flying.
Aye, we've had to legislate for dual nationality, so that hints at it being a bit deeper than a British flag and a British state to me. And to anyone with any interest in a solution in my opinion.
With an Irish dimension to its running via a consultative role for the irish government.
So, a British State then.
Soby your logic it's a British state so feck the nationalists. And if it ever became an Irish entity, feck the prods?
Yes, it is a British state, we all know that, and if you can't see NI beyond that, you're best off not engaging.
While I agree that overall the majority want to stay in the UK I would question the accuracy of that survey. It claims more people support the SDLP than SF. Also it overestimates the DUP vote and underestimates the UUP.
To be honest i'd be happy enough with Northern Ireland being a stand alone entity, with no input from Britain or Ireland. I don't think either of them want us or give a feck about us anyway. As it stands though, the Union remains, that's the official flag, and any other emblem is indicative of foreign government.
That's not my logic, no. But it's what will happen.
Will there be a Union flag flying over Belfast City council if Ireland is unified?
Of course I can see NI beyond that. I'm not arguing personal opinion here, i'm arguing a cold hard fact.
I've made my personal opinion perfectly clear on a number of occassions, the majority on here know my stand on it all.
It would straight away be a Greek like economy. Its budget deficit would be around 30% of GDP. NI cant go it alone.
Scotland is 0% if GDP.
You are not arguing at all, you are stating the obvious. Yes NI is a British State but it's way mpre complex than that, and I'm no nationalist but I've just gone and Liked Sinn Fein on Facebook after your "It's a British State" mantra.
Then we'll stay as we are then. Safety in certainties and all that.
It's not even what's happening now though? Except in your 'It's a British State' logic.
This current flag issue is part of a democratic process of conciliation. Just some idiots decided it was worth rioting over.
Not obvious enough, clearly.Yes, it's more complex than that, not a doubt about it. That doesn't take away from the fact that the Irish Tricolor is a foreign flag. That's what the discussion was all about.
Yes, it's more complex than that, not a doubt about it. That doesn't take away from the fact that the Irish Tricolor is a foreign flag. That's what the discussion was all about.
No, the discussion was off the back of Pete saying it was a complex situation, which is when your drum was taken out.
Isnt the union flag never flown in nationalist controlled councils such as Derry?
How is it not what's happening now? Currently, Northern Ireland is part of the Union, therefore the Union flag flies. It may have been taken down on one building and only flown on certain days, but no more so than Stormont has ever been, for example. So currently, part of the Union, Union flag. Yes?
If it is ever not part of the Union, and becomes a part of a Unified or United Ireland, will the flag of a now foreign country still be flown? Will a Unified Ireland fly a British Union Flag over the council offices of their second city? Let's not kid ourselves here, they won't, will they?
So, to black and whitify it once more. Northern Ireland, part of the Union, Union Flag. Northern Ireland, not part of the Union, no Union Flag. Northern Ireland, part of a Unified Ireland, Irish Flag.
Disagree?
I don't play the drum, I've always been more of a fluter myself.
I did play the triangle for a bit when I was a kid mind, but they don't let you do that past 30.
So you think this is about fecking the nationalists? Then why are the unionists annoyed?
I think you are confusing yourself.
And boring me.
The tricolour is the flag of the thirty two counties of Ireland, that was always it's purpose.
Then it shouldn't be flown anywhere, until the 32 counties are one.
That Wullie fella who wanted it took down in Dublin had it bang on then.
i think it came more from Livvie suggesting that both flags are flown
Yes, it's more complex than that, not a doubt about it. That doesn't take away from the fact that the Irish Tricolor is a foreign flag. That's what the discussion was all about.
Quote one line from a post, ignore the post, make a derogatory comment.
Text book, moses.