Northern Ireland Thread

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Street signs, you kinda need to while driving. The flags, I could do without but they went overboard in reaction and since I live in the eye of the retard storm...I see alot of them.
 
Ramshock said:
Don't denigrate something you don't understand. The Irish language is being taught widespread throughout the north and of course the south. Just because you don't use it doesn't mean its not used. My son is 3 years old and already has a strong grasp of Gaelige and he goes to an Irish language school. Because of this I am relearning the language and my wife is also learning it. His school is thriving and its non denominational and not political at all.
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How am I denigrating it? If people want to learn it then they can knock themselves out. I'm stating a fact that hardly anyone currently speaks it and the road signs are needless when people don't need it to be in Irish to understand it. Now kindly go find that traffic to play with.
 
acnumber9 said:
It was a throwaway remark not meant to be serious. In a thread where we've bad people legitimising murder this is what you find a bit much? I don't know how you continually get away with being such a bitter little bigot in all these threads.
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Thats quite an allegation to be making.
 
PJ said:
I see you're picking up the slack from the Neviller.
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Legitimising murder, not a problem to PJ. A throwaway not serious remark, a bit much for PJ. Of course it wasn't a bit much for PJ when The Neviller was called a spastic and told he would be choked with a haddock. I wonder if it's the people making the remarks and the 'side' they are on that is your real problem.
 
Rooney24 said:
Thats quite an allegation to be making.
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He once accused me of calling all Catholics in Ardoyne evil because I disagreed with those rioting and shooting at police in July. They barely escaped a mention, in fact I had to drag a response out of him on that subject. The people rioting and causing destruction in Ardoyne were idiots while people playing music outside a church were scumbags.I've given examples of how PJ only reacts to certain things above. He has history for this bitterness.
 
Lastwolf said:
I think you need to chill out.
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I'm chilled but I think PJ has a strange sense of what he considers a bit much. If he can clarify why legitimising murder isn't a bit much and the comment I made above is I'll be more than happy to apologise to him.
 
I think that's an ideological problem.

You're making personal quips, they are making the armchair statements or ingoring them.
 
Lastwolf said:
I think that's an ideological problem.

You're making personal quips, they are making the armchair statements or ingoring them.
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Personal quips that I feel are pertinent to the discussion and can be backed up. I'm done with him though. He isn't worth the hassle.
 
acnumber9 said:
How am I denigrating it? If people want to learn it then they can knock themselves out. I'm stating a fact that hardly anyone currently speaks it and the road signs are needless when people don't need it to be in Irish to understand it. Now kindly go find that traffic to play with.
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You called it silly over and over despite the cultural value and conciliatory gesture it is. It's the heritage of the land you live on, which is a fact too. But it seems not all facts are equal.

As for PJ, put him on ignore. You are going the way of TN here, dealing with his broad statements with personal insults. If you don't put him on ignore and he says something objectionabe just report it.
 
moses said:
You called it silly over and over despite the cultural value and conciliatory gesture it is. It's the heritage of the land you live on, which is a fact too. But it seems not all facts are equal.

As for PJ, put him on ignore. You are going the way of TN here, dealing with his broad statements with personal insults. If you don't put him on ignore and he says something objectionabe just report it.
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I didn't call the language silly. I said having it on road signs was silly. I've also said caring about a flag is silly. I then said each to their own. I was happy to leave it there until Ramshock come in talking shit again. If it means something to somebody then that's up to them. It's also up to me if i find it silly to have road signs, something designed to direct people, in a language few know. Don't see the lack of equality here. There have been plenty of people calling caring about a flag silly. I don't see that as denigrating my culture or lacking in equality.

Broad and insulting statements. I will follow your advice on reporting in future however.
 
I love this back and forth concerning who's comited which dasterdly deed. Can you all just not admit that each side is as moronic as the other?

For every single incident you condemn the other side for, there will be ten more things they can condemn your side for and vise versa.

I keep harping on about this but what we need to be looking at is the people responsible for stoking the flames, on each side. Hint: They are the ones in the suits.
 
acnumber9 said:
I didn't call the language silly. I said having it on road signs was silly. I've also said caring about a flag is silly. I then said each to their own. I was happy to leave it there until Ramshock come in talking shit again. If it means something to somebody then that's up to them. It's also up to me if i find it silly to have road signs, something designed to direct people, in a language few know. Don't see the lack of equality here. There have been plenty of people calling caring about a flag silly. I don't see that as denigrating my culture or lacking in equality.

Broad and insulting statements. I will follow your advice on reporting in future however.
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You have successfully managed to not acknowledge the olive branch nature of the gesture which is pretty much the whole point it. And which I mentioned in every post I made. A nod to the two communities and a meausure of goodwill. That negates any silliness in the eyes of anyone even remotely objective.

PJ has his way of sticking to his guns and so do you.
 
The Don said:
I love this back and forth concerning who's comited which dasterdly deed. Can you all just not admit that each side is as moronic as the other?

For every single incident you condemn the other side for, there will be ten more things they can condemn your side for and vise versa.

I keep harping on about this but what we need to be looking at is the people responsible for stoking the flames, on each side. Hint: They are the ones in the suits.
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Truly depressing thread. It's as obvious who believes in the virgin mary and who doesn't as if the usernames were O Murchú , Ni Bhrían or Wilson and Smitherington-Jones.
 
moses said:
You have successfully managed to not acknowledge the olive branch nature of the gesture which is pretty much the whole point it. And which I mentioned in every post I made. A nod to the two communities and a meausure of goodwill. That negates any silliness in the eyes of anyone even remotely objective.

PJ has his way of sticking to his guns and so do you.
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People have successfully managed to not understand that I'm not denigrating the language itself. I think there could be better ways but if that's what people want then that's fine by me. Is it any more or less silly than a flag?

I think I can be slightly more objective in who I criticise. I don't believe sides needs to be taken when it comes to discussing murder.
 
The Don said:
I love this back and forth concerning who's comited which dasterdly deed. Can you all just not admit that each side is as moronic as the other?

For every single incident you condemn the other side for, there will be ten more things they can condemn your side for and vise versa.

I keep harping on about this but what we need to be looking at is the people responsible for stoking the flames, on each side. Hint: They are the ones in the suits.
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Happily. The need to have 'sides' is ludicrous.
 
acnumber9 said:
People have successfully managed to not understand that I'm not denigrating the language itself. I think there could be better ways but if that's what people want then that's fine by me. Is it any more or less silly than a flag?
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If the point of the dual language was to make the signs better navigational aids you'd be spot on, as it's not you're talking nonsense.

I know you are not denigrating the language itself but just the use of it. Not that I can really tell the difference. It'd be much sillier not to use it if the language itself is as you say, not silly.

acnumber9 said:
I think I can be slightly more objective in who I criticise. I don't believe sides needs to be taken when it comes to discussing murder.
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A common misconception. I'd say PJ thinks he's being objective too, you both can list off one set of facts and ignore another though.
 
moses said:
If the point of the dual language was to make the signs better navigational aids you'd be spot on, as it's not you're talking nonsense.



A common misconception. I'd say PJ thinks he's being objective too, you both can list off one set of facts and ignore another though.
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A sign is a navigational aid though. It being adorned with a language few people speak then it is a bit silly. Just like caring about a flag is a bit silly. Both in my opinion. One side sees the signs as a nod to their heritage. The other sees he flag at City Hall the same way. I find both silly. Are we any less Irish or British for them not being there? It's just the way I view it.

What facts am I ignoring? Where am I ignoring legitimising murders and accusing people of going a bit far by making throwaway comments. You'll not see me in this thread ignoring the mindless actions of unioinists/loyalists or dismissing it as them being wound up by somebody else. I don't believe it should matter what religion they are or their politicial beliefs. You won't also see me use false and misleading statistics on our police and use it to further my agenda.
 
I still have to hear the voice mail I left one of my friends on New Years Eve. I was walking through a loyalist estate at the time and generally talking shite. I think I was laughing as they had put two flags up on some of the lampposts, and saying things like "up the ra" and "no surrender".

That's objectivity right there.
 
acnumber9 said:
A sign is a navigational aid though. It being adorned with a language few people speak then it is a bit silly. Just like caring about a flag is a bit silly. Both in my opinion. One side sees the signs as a nod to their heritage. The other sees he flag at City Hall the same way. I find both silly. Are we any less Irish or British for them not being there? It's just the way I view it.
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And any other use no matter how positive is silly, I get you.



acnumber9 said:
What facts am I ignoring? Where am I ignoring legitimising murders and accusing people of going a bit far by making throwaway comments. You'll not see me in this thread ignoring the mindless actions of unioinists/loyalists or dismissing it as them being wound up by somebody else. I don't believe it should matter what religion they are or their politicial beliefs. You won't also see me use false and misleading statistics on our police and use it to further my agenda.
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The positive element of why the language was put on the signs.

I'm not PJ btw and I didn't say you were identical, just that both of you are quite obvious in your loyalties.
 
moses said:
And any other use no matter how positive is silly, I get you.





The positive element of why the language was put on the signs.

I'm not PJ btw and I didn't say you were identical, just that both of you are quite obvious in your loyalties.
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You said I wasn't being objective. I clearly was given that I consider big elements placing such importance on these things to be silly. We're no more or less Irish or British because of them. If people want them and I is important to them then that is up to them. I'm giving my opinion. I'm sure there are things that are important to me that others would find silly but I'm not going to at upset or annoyed by that.

I know you're not. You were the malin the statement and making the comparisons. That's why I responded to you and not PJ.

I'm not going to get further involved on this debate with you as it also silly and will just lead to us further going around in circles.
 
acnumber9 said:
You said I wasn't being objective. I clearly was given that I consider big elements placing such importance on these things to be silly. We're no more or less Irish or British because of them. If people want them and I is important to them then that is up to them. I'm giving my opinion. I'm sure there are things that are important to me that others would find silly but I'm not going to at upset or annoyed by that.

I know you're not. You were the malin the statement and making the comparisons. That's why I responded to you and not PJ.

I'm not going to get further involved on this debate with you as it also silly and will just lead to us further going around in circles.
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Objectivity would for me include dealing with the main thrust of the other persons argument. You were just dealing with the pratical element of what a road sign is. This has never been about that. For anyone except you, and maybe some Germans.
 
moses said:
Objectivity would for me include dealing with the main thrust of the other persons argument. You were just dealing with the pratical element of what a road sign is. This has never been about that. For anyone except you, and maybe some Germans.
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And people who called the flag issue silly have done the same. It has cultural and issues of heritage to some too. I've said if it makes people happy then fair play. Does comparing somebody to a nazi count as a personal insult?
 
acnumber9 said:
And people who called the flag issue silly have done the same. It has cultural and issues of heritage to some too. I've said if it makes people happy then fair play. Does comparing somebody to a nazi count as a personal insult?
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What does the flag have to do with our discussion? You ignore the main point I make over and over but want to discuss a flag.

As for the nazi comment, well done. You've covered yourself in glory there. I was merely talking about the inflexible pragmatic german stereotype.

You have been having a conversation about the practicality of road signs, while I have ben trying to have a conversation about the peace process and symbols of reconciliation. Considering the thread title, I'm not assuming any blame. In this context and the fragile nature of peace process if the worst you can view something that is seen as very positive is that it's silly, then maybe fro the greater good, shut up?

And to be honest, I would highly doubt that is your true feeling, you have been a bit too dogmatic in your points and selective in which of mine you answered.

But hey ho, I might be wrong as you think you are more oblective than most.
 
moses said:
What does the flag have to do with our discussion? You ignore the main point I make over and over but want to discuss a flag.

As for the nazi comment, well done. You've covered yourself in glory there. I was merely talking about the inflexible pragmatic german stereotype.

You have been having a conversation about the practicality of road signs, while I have ben trying to have a conversation about the peace process and symbols of reconciliation. Considering the thread title, I'm not assuming any blame. In this context and the fragile nature of peace process if the worst you can view something that is seen as very positive is that it's silly, then maybe fro the greater good, shut up?

And to be honest, I would highly doubt that is your true feeling, you have been a bit too dogmatic in your points and selective in which of mine you answered.

But hey ho, I might be wrong as you think you are more oblective than most.
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It is to show that if I think something is silly I will say regardless of what heritage it belongs to. I've said if it makes people happy then they can knock themselves. It seems the only way you want this to end is for me to agree wih you. I still find it silly but if it makes people happy then that obviously it is no silly to them. I find religion silly but understand that it isn't to some people and brings them happiness. Many would think my depth of feeling for football results would be silly. Doesn't bother me.

You were talking about me accepting the importance of another's culture and heritage. To then compare me to some Germans made me think that you were comparing me to a nazi. I don't think that's a huge leap and was a little tasteless. Having read back now I can see where you are coming from if that was what you meant.

What don't you think is my true opinion?

I never said I was more objective than most. I said I was more objective than PJ. Don't let that get in the way of this projection.
 
Yeah, yeah. I never said the language was silly, just using it was. And yes I got your degree of self professed objectivity wrong, and not all Germans are Nazis.

And as to why I don't fully belive you; if the most I thought of something that was seen by so many as positive was silly, and didn't bother me I'd not feel the need to bang on about it or be evasive when discussing it.

So you are objective and all for no divisions or sides, as long as it's not silly.

I'd take this sort of silliness over a war fought along lines drawn in the reformation, with no need for qualification.
 
moses said:
Yeah, yeah. I never said the language was silly, just using it. And yes I got your degree of self professed objectivity wrong, and not all Germans are Nazis.

And as to why I don't fully belive you; if the most I thought of something that was seen by so many as positive was silly, and didn't bother me I'd not feel the need to bang on about it or be evasive when discussing it.

So you are objective and all for no divisions or sides, as long as it's not silly.

I'd take this sort of silliness over a war fought along lines drawn in the reformation, with no need for qualification.
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The reason I 'bang' on about it is because people, mostly you, keep quoting em and adding things to it. You said I could only find it silly if I wasn't objective. I raised the flag issue that objectivity isn't what makes me find it silly. I personally think it's a silly thing to place importance on. If it genuinely makes people happy then I am happy for them and makes a difference to how peaceful our lives are then it serves a purpose. I should clarify when I say silly, I am referring to my own opinion on what would make me happy. A flag doesn't, a sign doesn't. I never said we should get rid of them becuase I think it's silly. Numerous times I've said each to their own, knock yourselves out etc to convey this.

On your last point so would I.
 
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