Northern Ireland Thread

If anything they are discriminating against protestants, the 50-50 policy was insane, given that you could fail as a 'protestant' Muslim.

I applied, Protestant Community or Catholic Community, no option for anything else, I passed every test and then was rejected because of my religious background quota had been filled. By the time the of the 3rd or the 4th round they changed the wording a bit and added 'other' but I don't believe for a minute that they ignored it or took my other seriously.

That was 10 years ago, you think there are 10 years of that sort of recruitment and no change in the make up of the police you're insane.

The culture of the organisation, please, given the overly PC direction they have went since the change over, there's no way there discrimination of Catholics within the organisation, that isn't immediately stamped out, they couldn't survive the fall out. As for against the Catholic community, I don't see anything out of ordinary.

Stop and search is very arbitrary, explain how you can spot a spot the difference between a catholic and protestant from a distance, it's not the same as a racial issue. There might just be more crime in that area.

I've been stopped by the police lots of time, if you haven't done anything it's like 2 minutes.
 
acnumber9 said:
Sounds as if you haven't a clue what you're talking about then.
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No mate. Sounds like you're asking questions that no-one can tell you the answer to and using that as an indicator that I don't know what I'm talking about, all the while asking questions and making statements that are out of order and insulting. Nice fella!
 
PJ said:
The fact posted up thread about the stop and search tactic in a predominantly nationalist area and a predominantly unionist area is quite damning.
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The false fact? Have a look at the actual statistics. Not the hate spreading propaganda from a gobshite politician.
 
Irwinwastheking said:
No mate. Sounds like you're asking questions that no-one can tell you the answer to and using that as an indicator that I don't know what I'm talking about, all the while asking questions and making statements that are out of order and insulting. Nice fella!
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I'm asking for justification of labelling an entire organisation as inherently bigoted with actual reasons. Not what happened in the past. What's happening currently. Maybe the nationalist community would be more accepting and welcoming to police if we didn't have politicians with agendas tying to invite hatred.
 
I've not being paying a huge amount attention to this, even when I was over last week most people just laughed it off as a load of nonsense. But I just happened across an interview with the supposed leader of this, um, movement, in which he called for a return to Direct Rule and revealed that he was planning a protest at Dáil later in the week.

Where do they get these fruitcakes?
 
Chabon said:
I've not being paying a huge amount attention to this, even when I was over last week most people just laughed it off as a load of nonsense. But I just happened across an interview with the supposed leader of this, um, movement, in which he called for a return to Direct Rule and revealed that he was planning a protest at Dáil later in the week.

Where do they get these fruitcakes?
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I haven't heard that old chestnut in a while. These people just seem to be totally nuts and out of touch with reality. I had a look at the 6.30 BBC news on my lunchbreak and there was a woman in her 40/50s interviewed talking about the GFA and how Protestants have to take back NI. To look at her she seemed like a normal ordinary middle aged woman, but the bile was spewing from her. Hate in the eyes when talking.

Most right minded people Catholics and Protestants in NI see this for what it is. The flag was taken down as the result of a democratic vote, and was another step towards the normalisation of NI along with the bigger earlier steps of taking down Army Barracks and renaming the RUC. Now these fruits are using this to push a victim agenda that they have been trying to put forward for years and by and large the actual rioters are only wee scrotes who have feck all else to do and riot for a laugh.
 
golden_blunder said:
Strabane is the armpit of the north, we should give it back to the south
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Go feck yourself Geebs. As the self preclaimed 'unemployment blackspot of Europe' until those poxy polish came into Europe (bastards) everyone know's we are the bumhole of the North.

Also, like Cavan, Monaghan and Fermanagh we're the bit that no-one wanted. IIRC wasn't there actually talk of splitting Tyrone when the border was being drawn up to keep west Tyrone in the south?
 
Mr Frazer should be taking his protest to Buckingham palace not Leinster house
 
Logic doesn't apply to young Wullie Frazer.

For what it's worth, even though he would absolutely detest me due to my nationalist background, I'm a massive fan of his work. The mans a legend, really. He's a caricature.
 
I've only just requested that I be allowed back in this forum but it will probably be the only time I post in it and I know my views won't be welcome but feck it.

I'm here to rant about National Identity/Patriotism.

What the feck does it even mean anymore? It's all history. I'm really, seriously pissed off with people on both sides banging on about being Irish or British. Why do you even care, these days. It's not the same, it means feck all, anymore.

Do the Irish government give a feck about their own people, the ones that actually live in the free state, nevermind the Northerners in the ''occupied six counties/United Kingdom''? I don't think so.

And as for the Loyalists, do you really think the British government/monarchy give a feck about you? Have you ever heard auld Lizzie say ''Oh bless those poor loyal subjects of mine in that we part of my kingdom, I value them so much, thanks for your support''? Did you feck.

The fact is, we're all here on this wee island together, be it united or separated, it doesn't matter, the only thing you can be sure of is that unless you're upper class, nobody gives a flying feck about you.
So we should actually be ditching national identity and sticking together as human beings.

Fighting over flags and nationalities, you are basically just fighting over which set of cnuts controls your lives and tries their best to feck it up for you, so that the rich can stay rich.

I'm done with it, from now on I have no nationality. (I've felt like that for a while, actually)I'd just love to live in a place where everybody realises that a country is just land, it's just earth, soil, muck, rocks and grass.
feck national identity, sure we're all just Europeans anyways.

I love you all
Peace

Regards
The Don (nomad)
Disclaimer: This post was aimed at nobody in particular, just general ranting.
 
We are tribes people, we can't get away from that. Whether you belong to a Catholic tribe or a Protestant tribe,a Muslim tribe or a Jewish tribe, a Republican tribe or a Loyalist tribe, a Manchester United tribe or a Manchester City tribe, a Mod tribe or a Rocker tribe, an Emo tribe or a Goth tribe, we all like to belong in tribes that we think set us apart from others.

It's in these tribes that we add values or morals or points of worth that we think only we can have because we belong to that tribe. There is safety in numbers and it helps create our identity, for better or worse, so we stick with it. There is no way of getting past this, you might think you don't belong to any tribe or that you're above it all but you find yourself being drawn into an argument about a certain tribe when you know you should stay out of it.

Tribes make us strong but they also make us weak, easier to divide, easier to corrupt.

Tribes.
 
The Don said:
I've only just requested that I be allowed back in this forum but it will probably be the only time I post in it and I know my views won't be welcome but feck it.

I'm here to rant about National Identity/Patriotism.

What the feck does it even mean anymore? It's all history. I'm really, seriously pissed off with people on both sides banging on about being Irish or British. Why do you even care, these days. It's not the same, it means feck all, anymore.

Do the Irish government give a feck about their own people, the ones that actually live in the free state, nevermind the Northerners in the ''occupied six counties/United Kingdom''? I don't think so.

And as for the Loyalists, do you really think the British government/monarchy give a feck about you? Have you ever heard auld Lizzie say ''Oh bless those poor loyal subjects of mine in that we part of my kingdom, I value them so much, thanks for your support''? Did you feck.

The fact is, we're all here on this wee island together, be it united or separated, it doesn't matter, the only thing you can be sure of is that unless you're upper class, nobody gives a flying feck about you.
So we should actually be ditching national identity and sticking together as human beings.

Fighting over flags and nationalities, you are basically just fighting over which set of cnuts controls your lives and tries their best to feck it up for you, so that the rich can stay rich.

I'm done with it, from now on I have no nationality. (I've felt like that for a while, actually)I'd just love to live in a place where everybody realises that a country is just land, it's just earth, soil, muck, rocks and grass.
feck national identity, sure we're all just Europeans anyways.

I love you all
Peace

Regards
The Don (nomad)
Disclaimer: This post was aimed at nobody in particular, just general ranting.
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I disagree with absolutely nothing you've said apart from the bold, she does a Christmas message every year thanking subjects and saying thinking of you, naked pics are in the mail.
 
The Don said:
I'm here to rant about National Identity/Patriotism.

What the feck does it even mean anymore? It's all history. I'm really, seriously pissed off with people on both sides banging on about being Irish or British. Why do you even care, these days. It's not the same, it means feck all, anymore.
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At the end of the day you live in a country whose national anthem is God save the queen.

That would really piss me off. I get that you are sick of it all. But c'mon...
 
PhilipB said:
We're not though. Tribes go to war over cultures, identities and favourite things. Tribes people, I'm telling you man.
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But Philip, when two tribes got to war, A point is all you can score.


As far as I'm aware no-one has actually went to war over which was better star trek or star wars, I sure a few e-flame sessions, but tanks on the streets, not yet. I takes quite a bit to motivate people into armed conflict, unfortunately when ever you reach that point, it's really hard to put the bunny back in the box.

The oppression of the catholic people led them to violence and in response the protestant counter point also crystallized to be diametrically opposed to anything nationalist.

The fact that there is more similarities between Catholics and Protestants than either and say Mormons who we almost never war with is crazy. Nationalism, Unionism are retarded positions stepped in the past that is almost entirely no-longer relevant. The European court can over-rule a lot of decision in either the UK or ROI, nevermind what flag you wave.

For everyone to see sense will take a long time.
 
Relating to what The Don said, you have to feel that at some point all people in Northern Ireland, regardless of their ancestry, are going to have to realise that neither Britain nor Ireland really wants anything to do with them, and begin to consider the long term ramifications of this.

There's feck all chance of any Irish government ever wanting to take on the burden of a United Ireland, and there will come a day when British people will notice just how much money has been spent on a province nobody here has ever had any affection for. People can be "British" or "Irish" all they want, but when backs are against the wall in Britain and Ireland all they'll see is the "Northern Irish" draining their resources and being a nuisance.

Huge numbers of idiots massively undermining the UK-taxpayer funded regeneration of Belfast because of a bloody flag, all the while pratting on about the supposed undermining of their 'British identity' in accents that most British people can't even understand, is only going to speed this process up.
 
Chabon said:
Relating to what The Don said, you have to feel that at some point all people in Northern Ireland, regardless of their ancestry, are going to have to realise that neither Britain nor Ireland really wants anything to do with them, and begin to consider the long term ramifications of this.

There's feck all chance of any Irish government ever wanting to take on the burden of a United Ireland, and there will come a day when British people will notice just how much money has been spent on a province nobody here has ever had any affection for. People can be "British" or "Irish" all they want, but when backs are against the wall in Britain and Ireland all they'll see is the "Northern Irish" draining their resources and being a nuisance.

Huge numbers of idiots massively undermining the UK-taxpayer funded regeneration of Belfast because of a bloody flag, all the while pratting on about the supposed undermining of their 'British identity' in accents that most British people can't even understand is only going to speed this process up.
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Maybe you can tell those wankers at O2 to stop ringing me then.
 
Chabon said:
Relating to what The Don said, you have to feel that at some point all people in Northern Ireland, regardless of their ancestry, are going to have to realise that neither Britain nor Ireland really wants anything to do with them, and begin to consider the long term ramifications of this.

There's feck all chance of any Irish government ever wanting to take on the burden of a United Ireland, and there will come a day when British people will notice just how much money has been spent on a province nobody here has ever had any affection for. People can be "British" or "Irish" all they want, but when backs are against the wall in Britain and Ireland all they'll see is the "Northern Irish" draining their resources and being a nuisance.

Huge numbers of idiots massively undermining the UK-taxpayer funded regeneration of Belfast because of a bloody flag, all the while pratting on about the supposed undermining of their 'British identity' in accents that most British people can't even understand, is only going to speed this process up.
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It's pretty much true that nobody really wants the North in the current climate for sure.

It's a little amusing how loyalists are so desperate to be Brits (more so than the Welsh and the Scots) yet the Brits couldnt give a flying feck about them.
 
Since the majority of nations in the world run at a loss, more loss is always going to look a bad deal.

England would be better off without the rest of the UK (it needs scotland for the oil rights) on it's books, financially at any rate.
 
I guarantee that it Scotland was to gain independence Britain will keep an option on the oil rights. No way are they going to give those up. Also, the military bases up there will have to be kept. Can't see them building out new ports for the nuclear subs. Surely Scotland would want them there anyway as a major employer in the area.
 
Does anyone have any figures on how much NI costs the UK taxpayer per year?
 
It's not quite that simple Ramshock. They have an obligation to their citizens.
 
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