Gaming Nintendo Switch

Dir Wangem said:
The link that @Coxy provided effectively kills one of the main arguments against Nintendo.
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Dir Wangem said:
Obviously. People who are looking to buy 20(+) games for the Switch(not counting retro games), are likely to be disappointed. But this is still a pretty small group. Based on the stats above, I doubt that more than 10% of console gamers belong to this group.
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Not so obvious though, you said it ;)

Do you have any facts to back up this <10%? I think you underestimate the average gamer. Even if they may not even buy that amount of games, again it's also about choice, something you repeatedly ignore here. People are clearly wary of Nintendo for this very reason, how many have said it on this message board alone? Way more than have actually said they are buying one, no?

And that's the point of this discussion, you say people should stop moaning because of some stats, I'm saying those moaning are clearly people that fall either above those stats or just want choice. I'm not sure, when it comes to Nintendo, it can be denied lack of games hurts unit sales.
 
Redlambs said:
Do you have any facts to back up this <10%?
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Based on the fact that a console that sells particularly many games still only sells 6 games per console on average, I think it's safe to assume that people owning 20(+) games are a small group. Especially if we take outliers and console sharing into consideration. You and the other guy like to bring personal experiences into the discussion, so I will do the same now: in more than 20 years of gaming, I have not once met a console gamer with 20(+) non-indie, non-retro games. And I've known many spoiled kids and hardcore gamers over the years. In my experience, the gamers who end up buying a feckton of games are almost all PC gamers. Console gamers tend to focus their energy on few games, but in return spend a lot of time on these.

Redlambs said:
People are clearly wary of Nintendo for this very reason, how many have said it on this message board alone? Way more than have actually said they are buying one, no?
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Negative voices tend to dominate discussions, though. A movie can have a solid 9/10 rating on IMDB, but the message board will still consist of a ton of negative posts. It's just human psychology. We are more likely to complain about something than we are to give praise. Especially when our complaints in no way can affect us negatively. Also, the chance of meeting a hardcore gamer is obviously higher in online game discussions.
 
Dir Wangem said:
Based on the fact that a console that sells particularly many games still only sells 6 games per console on average, I think it's safe to assume that people owning 20(+) games are a small group. Especially if we take outliers and console sharing into account. You and the other guy like to bring personal experiences into the discussion, so I will do the same now: in more than 20 years of gaming, I have not once met a console gamer with 20(+) non-indie, non-retro games. And I've known many spoiled kids and hardcore gamers over the years. In my experience, the gamers who end up buying a feckton of games are almost all PC gamers. Console gamers tend to focus their energy on few games, but in return spend a lot of time on these.
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I'm sorry, it was you who said first about knowing what your friends do. Which, of course is fine and not the point here.

Again, we agree somewhat, for the averages to be that low there MUST be a majority of people who buy less games than I do, or even >20 a generation. I don't know any myself, but that just shows my group of family and friends who buy games tend to be more into it.

But that still doesn't change the point of people moaning and being put off by Nintendo. I'm not sure how you can even argue this fact, since you quite clearly have said yourself exactly what you buy Nintendo for and that's what they give you. So you know and don't care about the lack of choice, but others do. And do you think Nintendo don't want those sales? Do you think they don't care about those potential customers?

Pointing out a simple stat doesn't change all the factors that affect what people want. It doesn't end a discussion and make people suddenly wrong to moan based on tastes and what they are looking for.



Negative voices tend to dominate discussions, though. A movie can have a solid 9/10 rating on IMDB, but the message board will still consist of a ton of negative posts. It's just human psychology. We are more likely toc omplain about something about something than we are to give praise. Especially when our complaints in no way can affect us negatively. Also, the chance of meeting a hardcore gamer is obviously higher in online game discussions.
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That's exactly the point! You brought up the moaners, this is the discussion we are having. Understanding why they are moaning goes beyond a simple stat does it not? Nintendo certainly think so, otherwise they probably wouldn't still be around today.


People want choice. Even if they don't buy every game released. It's hardly unfair to look at Nintendo's recent history and be wary, when you look at a list and see maybe 3 or 4 games you want this year. Add to that, the obvious fact, these people are very likely to already have a console to play games on and need a reason to lay out that extra cost. Even I'm wary and I'm clearly a much more hardcore gamer than you are and a huge Nintendo fan with some spare cash to buy this thing, and yet I still considered cancelling my pre-order for that reason. Maybe I've not moaned about it, but surely if anything, my reasoning to moan about it would make more sense than to counter it with the average of what people buy? Why would I care what anyone else wants out of the system? I love Nintendo, I want this to be a smash, but the lack of games is already troubling. It means less unit sales, which means less publisher interest, which means less games coming out, etc.

It's just not as simple as you want to make out.
 
Dir Wangem said:
I looked at the games for 2017 and decided to make a list of 3 categories. I'll probably only buy Zelda and Fifa, as I don't have time for much more(I'm still playing Smash for Wii U almost daily):

MUST have:
- Zelda BOTW
- Fifa

Want:
- Super Mario Odyssey

Looks interesting:
- Splatoon 2
- Rayman Legends(mainly for handheld mode)
- Skyrim
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Mine would be

MUST have:
- Zelda BOTW
- Super Mario Odyssey

Want:
- Shovel Knight (if there's a physical release)
- Lego City
- Yooka Laylee
- Splatoon 2
- Rayman Legends
- Mario Kart 8 Deluxe
- A bunch of other indie games if they get physical releases

Looks interesting:
- Snipperclips
- Sonic Mania
 
Ewww Fifa on the switch?

You'd most likely get the crappy 360 or PS3 version.

And yes I have got a switch ordered. Zelda and bomberman arrived today.

Nintendo really need to churn the games out a bit faster though. I wanna play Splatoon and MK on the switch ASAP. Don't know what the hell they been doing these past few years. They should have had virtual console and a few more games out at launch.

Really think they should have tried to push MK for launch or some sort of multiplayer game. As after you finish Zelda you won't really have a reason to switch the machine on for a few months.

People moaning about internet browsers and shit are just being stupid.
 
Bojan11 said:
Ewww Fifa on the switch?

You'd most likely get the crappy 360 or PS3 version.

And yes I have got a switch ordered. Zelda and bomberman arrived today.

Nintendo really need to churn the games out a bit faster though. I wanna play Splatoon and MK on the switch ASAP. Don't know what the hell they been doing these past few years. They should have had virtual console and a few more games out at launch.

Really think they should have tried to push MK for launch or some sort of multiplayer game. As after you finish Zelda you won't really have a reason to switch the machine on for a few months.

People moaning about internet browsers and shit are just being stupid.
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I couldn't agree more.

For a start, Netflix are notoriously shit at new software, so it's very likely they are the problem anyway. Not that I give a feck, I'm currently sitting near at least 5 devices that already run it :lol:


I'm buying a Switch for Nintendo games. Not internet browsers (which will be there anyway) or Netflix (ditto).
 
And Zelda sitting with a 98 score from 56 reviews on metacritic.

Amazing really. I don't really take some of these reviewers seriously as they do tend to overhype some games especially from one console manufacturer, but those are amazing scores.
 
Redlambs said:
I couldn't agree more.

For as start, Netflix are notoriously shit at new software, so it's very likely they are the problem anyway. Not that I give a feck, I'm currently sitting near at least 5 devices that already run it :lol:


I'm buying a Switch for Nintendo games. Not internet browsers (which will be there anyway) or Netflix (ditto).
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It's the losers from neogaf.

Moan when a press conference is focused on TV and other shit. Sit there saying game consoles should primary be games consoles and not entertainment devices.Then moan when it's not there at launch.

I'm sure if you can afford to spend £280 on a switch that you have a decent phone with a browser.
 
Bojan11 said:
It's the losers from neogaf.

Moan when a press conference is focused on TV and other shit. Sit there saying game consoles should primary be games consoles and not entertainment devices.Then moan when it's not there at launch.

I'm sure if you can afford to spend £280 on a switch that you have a decent phone with a browser.
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Ugh, don't mention that place. They are always all over the place with what they want and expect.
 
@Redlambs

Choices are great, but ultimately most people are only gonna be drawn towards a handful of games, usually the bigger titles + a particular genre/series they like extra much. And again: I'm not denying that it's a huge flaw if you are looking to buy many games, potentially testing out games you know nothing about. But this is not the case for most gamers. Most gamers have a pretty clear idea about the games they are going to buy, almost to the point where they can predict most of the games they buy before the next generation.

Ultimately, it boils down to whether or not you like Nintendo exclusives or not. And if you do: do you like them more than you like the games you will miss out on? This has been the case for a long time, and it wont change with the Switch. If you are one of the select few people who both love Nintendo exclusives and is likely to buy 20(+) games, then yeah, you have a valid complaint. I will gladly admit that. But if you belong to the 5-10 games per console group, then I can't take your complaint seriously.
 
I think I'm very much the kind of gamer Wangem is talking about. I think I own about 8 games for Wii U, but they are mainly exclusives and that's why I bought the console. First I've owned since PS1, actually.

My PC has loads more games on it, but that's mainly due to impulse purchases during Steam sales. I also would rather buy a title from the Lego series for PC rather than console, but the ability to play Lego City Undercover on the tram is swaying me to buy the Switch.
 
decorativeed said:
I think I'm very much the kind of gamer Wangem is talking about. I think I own about 8 games for Wii U, but they are mainly exclusives and that's why I bought the console. First I've owned since PS1, actually.

My PC has loads more games on it, but that's mainly due to impulse purchases during Steam sales. I also would rather buy a title from the Lego series for PC rather than console, but the ability to play Lego City Undercover on the tram is swaying me to buy the Switch.
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Most Wii u owners are going to own about 5-20 games.

I probably bought all the major exclusives. So around the latter mark. I'm guessing a lot of the hardcore Nintendo fans are like me.

But if this console wants to succeed then the rate of games coming out on it needs to be faster. I want this console to sell well. Nobody wants to see this be the last Nintendo console or them turning into Sega. Nintendo consoles offer something different than the other two.

The game I'm probably most excited for is the unannounced Pokémon game.
 
Dir Wangem said:
@Redlambs

Choices are great, but ultimately most people are only gonna be drawn towards a handful of games, usually the bigger titles + a particular genre/series they like extra much. And again: I'm not denying that it's a huge flaw if you are looking to buy many games, potentially testing out games you know nothing about. But this is not the case for most gamers. Most gamers have a pretty clear idea about the games they are going to buy, almost to the point where they can predict most of the games they buy before the next generation.

Ultimately, it boils down to whether or not you like Nintendo exclusives or not. And if you do: do you like them more than you like the games you will miss out on? This has been the case for along time, and it wont change with the Switch. If you are one of the select few people who both love Nintendo exclusives and is likely to be 20(+) games, then yeah, you have a valid complaint. I will gladly admit that. But if you belong to the 5-10 games per console group, then I can't take your complaint seriously.
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I love these discussions when we make clear progress, it makes them worth while. We both clearly love Nintendo games and want them to just keep doing what they do best. The only area we differ is how we see the opinions of those on the fence. I can understand them, even those who buy 5-10 games, because again, it's choice. And not even choice in games, but choice in the system type.


On that front, let's change a little and talk about another area that interests me. As for the moaners, do you think a lot of it is people wanting so much to love this and get one? From what I'm reading, it seems to be more disappointment than the usual fanboy row, as in people who already own a PS4/XBone don't see this as a threat to their precious machine but an addition and as such want to justify it? Some of the stuff about internet and all that is clearly rubbish, but baulking at the cost of accessories and lack of games may suggest a lot of these moaners just want to be convinced.


decorativeed said:
I think I'm very much the kind of gamer Wangem is talking about. I think I own about 8 games for Wii U, but they are mainly exclusives and that's why I bought the console. First I've owned since PS1, actually.

My PC has loads more games on it, but that's mainly due to impulse purchases during Steam sales. I also would rather buy a title from the Lego series for PC rather than console, but the ability to play Lego City Undercover on the tram is swaying me to buy the Switch.
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Being a PC/Steam gamer is a whole different world my friend :lol:

As for the Wii-U, owning 8 games is actually very high i'd imagine! Considering the lack of games I only own 21, and as discussed, I usually easy top 100 on a system.
 
@Redlambs

This is the only forum where I discuss video games, and in here the reactions seem to be pretty positive. The same is true for my Nintendo-loving friends IRL.

As for me, I'm super hyped! The Switch is pretty much everything I wanted it to be(apart from the price of the pro controller and payed online services). If they fix the color issues of the VC and add more VC games than they did for the Wii U, then I will probably skip the next console generation, as the Switch will have everything I need to be entertained for a very long time. My favorite part is easily the fact that it can be used as an handheld. That used to be a small dream of mine when I was younger. I'm going to pack the thing with SNES and N64(and hopefully Gamecube) games!
 
I heard on the radio that they've coated the cartridges in a horrible tasting chemical to stop people swallowing them.

Don't eat the cartridges guys.
 
Bubz27 said:
I heard on the radio that they've coated the cartridges in a horrible tasting chemical to stop people swallowing them.

Don't eat the cartridges guys.
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Dir Wangem said:
@Redlambs

This is the only forum where I discuss video games, and in here the reactions seem to be pretty positive. The same is true for my Nintendo-loving friends IRL.
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Ahhhh, this explains everything!

Yeah on here we tend to be far easier going on the gaming front, I talk games all over the web, but on here I know people tend to give a damn plus we all have another common ground so it's pretty great. Shame Weaste got canned, because the technical talk was excellent back then too, sadly it's all neogash quotes now :(


As for me, I'm super hyped! The Switch is pretty much everything I wanted it to be(apart from the price of the pro controller and payed online services). If they fix the color issues of the VC and add more VC games than they did for the Wii U, then I will probably skip the next console generation, as the Switch will have everything I need to be entertained for a long time. My favorite part is easily the fact that it can be used as an handheld. That used to be a small dream of mine when I was younger. I'm going to pack the thing with SNES and N64(and hopefully Gamecube) games!
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I loved the Gamecube, I still have a dev kit even :lol:

Seriously underrated and some of the games could do with an update. For example, I hate the way people seem to look down on Sunshine, you try to follow Mario64! Galaxy is great and all that, but it's definitely benefited from not being the one to follow the mighty M64!
 
Sorry, can't be arsed going through the whole thread. Considering buying this to play with my gf - the only game we can play seems to be 1-2 Switch - am I right in saying that it's not really a party console like the Wii was?
 
Dir Wangem said:
I forgot Sonic Mania! I might go for this instead of Rayman Legends.
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It's basically old school Sonic which is good but my issue with it is that they took the Artwork of Sonic one instead of Sonic 2.. so it looks a little too dated for my taste.

Love the fact they are releasing 2D games again though.
 
Olly said:
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Nintendo has responded to my inquiry, revealing the culprit behind the bitterness. Here’s what the company has to say:


“To avoid the possibility of accidental ingestion, keep the game card away from young children. A bittering agent (Denatonium Benzoate) has also been applied to the game card. This bittering agent is non-toxic.”

According to Wikipedia, denatonium benzoate is the most bitter chemical compound known, commonly used as an aversion agent to prevent accidental ingestion, which is why the Switch cards are coated in it. It’s also used in animal repellent, shampoos, soaps and nail-biting prevention.
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Golden Nugget said:
Sorry, can't be arsed going through the whole thread. Considering buying this to play with my gf - the only game we can play seems to be 1-2 Switch - am I right in saying that it's not really a party console like the Wii was?
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Nah, it'll very much be a party console too.


Olly said:
Go to GAME and ask for a taste test.
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What, so they can charge me a fiver for the pleasure?

Besides I'm probably not welcome in my local game since last month when I went in there for a PS4 camera and the guy came up to me all nice then showed me the price. My reaction was not, let's say...good.
 
Fair play, I've given the Switch a lot of shit but from the sounds of it Zelda is a masterpiece.

For those that pre ordered enjoy :)
 
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