Valencia are bluffing their asses off here with that 50 mil price tag.
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Don't worry your question was fine, I actually have the same interrogation about the gifs.
Not really bluffing anything. 2nd year of his contract, 50m euros clause either match it or don't. They don't want to sell.
It doesn't look their way. They have a sugar dady and La Liga new deal will be distributed better which means that they'll have more money than ever. Otamendi is on a lengthy contract and is very important to them, so they don't want to sell.
It looks increasingly likely that we will pay the full evaluation of him (35m pounds). I hope we can negotiate something better (like 30m and Valdez) but we will overpay for him IMO. He is the only top CB that is available this summer and we want him.
They bought him Porto a year and half ago for around 10 mil, while players improve and he probably had his profile enhanced by appearances for the national team there is no way in hell he is 5x the player he was, just about an year ago. The player clearly doesn't want to stay and if a lesser club had made an offer for him, they'd probably have sold for 25 mil and made a tidy profit in the end. They are dragging on and delaying the inevitable knowing that they can hold him for more cash because we are Manchester United, a rich club.
Woody is doing the right thing by registering interest while at the same time rebuffing their valuation, sooner than later they'll start negotiating and we'll get him for around 25, which is probably his true value. It just sucks that we can't get him in time for preseason training.
No they wouldn't sell him for 25m euros.
He isn't worth 5 times as much as before, and neither is worth 50m but that is completely irrelevant. United wouldn't sell Vidic in 2007 for 30m pounds too, and he wasn't worth 6 times as much as 18 months before.
Valencia now have a sugar dady, and their finances will only look better with the new La Lga deal coming. They have absolutely no reason to sell, unless it is on their conditions. And their conditions are simple: make us an offer we can't refuse (on other words, overpay the shit out of him). We have a history of overpaying in players (Shaw, Di Maria, Herrera, Fellaini) and they feel that they can put us in the situation of overpaying for him. They also know that we are desperate of him (our defense being very weak and Hummels/Ramos/Thiago Silva/Godin or players of similar ink being out of the market). We will in the end overpay for him. Which IMO is the right decision.
Highly doubt that. 2 years ago Valencia would have probably accepted the £25m offer. Now they don't need the money.
I wonder, isn't there any other defender who is similar that we can get? What are our scouting department doing? There must be someone out there that's flying under the radar who could do the job?
Then again they don't have any rush to sell, we're the ones who need to rush. We're the ones in need of a CB and there aren't many better than him.
Is he really that good? I am not convinced. I also think he will go for something less then his buyout clause. For something between 25-30m pounds.
I don't actually think we're having any trouble over this deal. I think we'll pay the release clause and he'll join us when he's back from holiday. We might have left this deal until after Copa America so we could sort out our other positions first to get them on the pre-season tour in time and then come back for Otamendi who probably has a pre-agreement with United. All speculation, just my theory.
We did overpay before but you live and learn and it looks like Woodward and LvG combo has learned better this summer after paying over the odds for Di Maria. LvG especially seems to have taken that as an insult, which is clearly showing in his firm handing of the De Gea situation.
I have a feeling they wouldn't hesitate to walk away from the deal and look for an alternative if it doesn't suit their evaluation. Sooner than later you have to keep your reputation as somene who will not be held hostage over a clearly exorbitant fee.
They do have a need to sell. The player has strictly made it clear that he won't attend training and will soon hand over a transfer request if need be, Otamendi seems pretty firm on forcing through a move. The longer they prolong they either have a very unhappy player on their hands or end up selling at a time they don't have an alternative purchase lined up for themselves, which could hurt their performance.
He's also at an age when anything less than a stellar season will only hurt his stock and they might not even receive the same evaluation a year from now.
Havent seen him play much but looked up some youtube videos of him (yeah yeah i know.. everyone can look good in those) but he looks a bit like Vidic in those.
He isnt very tall (also not small) but he jumps in front of every shot, he loves to slide to the ball but after he is done sliding he is quicky back up on his feet. He looks a very good defender and even stops a dribbeling Messi in those youtube videos.
He isnt very tall (also not small) but he jumps in front of every shot, he loves to slide to the ball but after he is done sliding he is quicky back up on his feet. He looks a very good defender and even stops a dribbeling Messi in those youtube videos.
It was pretty clear already that they will only sell at the release clause, what's so difficult to understand here? They already stated that openly. I don't see any other point being relevant here.
@Ødegaard has alerted me to this post as off topic images like this are not allowed in the football forums.
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If you read over the end of the last page randall sorry odengaard is being called a grass etc.. im just joining in lol..
Should we lock this thread until someone is stupid enough to meet the release clause then? Clearly there's nothing else to discuss if that's the only way to go.
I think we'll sign him for less than the clause in the end as they don't want a player to go on strike and we get to save face. Possibly involving an over the top valuation of Valdes?
Yeh we're definitley signing him, looks like ramos is a bonus signing should it come off. The two of them together would be unreal.
*whistles innocently*
Has everyone read Marcotti's assessment on the Otamendi transfer valuation?
It's VERY good and I highly recommend doing so here - http://www.espnfc.co.uk/blog/marcot...endi-chase-by-man-utd-exposes-transfer-quirks
It's VERY good and I highly recommend doing so here - http://www.espnfc.co.uk/blog/marcot...endi-chase-by-man-utd-exposes-transfer-quirks
You got genuinely worried for a sec there missed @Rado_N's white text didn't ya.
it was one of those is he joking or not ones lol
was thinking same thing. in Jamaica we call him "informa"
It's a good theory
Too old for that price tag, he's not a 22 yo.
We obviously haven't rushed this deal through like the others because he's just taken part in the Copa America. There'd be no way he'd be ready to meet up with the squad and train before July 25th without feeling it like the other Copa participants from our squad. I expect this to be done before then after his well deserved holiday and then him to join up with our squad on the 25th along with his fellow Argentine compatriots.
Huh?
Doesn't work that way though. City bought Silva for 25m. You'd think 4 years from then on he'd be worth less but ill bet they wouldn't even consider selling him for 40m. Why would they? They don't need the money and he's an extremely integral part of their team. It would take more than 40m to convince them to sell him.
That's a bit short sighted. Age isn't the only factor in determining a player's value.
It's like suggesting at the end of 06/07 season Vidic was worth less than the £7m we paid 18 months prior..
We're not after an under the radar type signing. We seem to want to improve the spine with a few senior experienced heads - hence the goose chase for Ramos and signing Bastian. There isn't really anyone else out there attainable - Thiago Silva, Godin, Boateng/Benatia etc. are the only other top tier established CBs and none are up for sale. We must've been interested in Hummels, who I personally don't rate, but a deal that never came to fruition due to him staying at the club. Otamendi, really, is all who is left. I rate him and think he's a pretty good CB, but there's not many alternatives.
You don't pay that amount for an unproven 22 years old Center back, I say unproven because at that age CBs are nembies, you pay 30m for a center back with experience.
Woody doesn't want under the radar though. He wants people to look at the radar and say, "holy shit, the size of that, omg!"
I don't think that's the result we'd get with Otamendi mind, though I'd certainly prefer him to Ramos.
I don't think that's the result we'd get with Otamendi mind, though I'd certainly prefer him to Ramos.
Just read Jamie Jackson's article, seems to indicate that if we don't get Ramos we could go with what we've got in defence, hard to believe but you wouldn't put it past LvG.
If it wasn't for their injury record, I wouldn't mind going into next season with our current defenders, they are good, even Evans who had a terrible 2014, was decent and sometimes good in 2015.
No chance for me. He talks of needing to strengthen two positions which must be centre half and striker.
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