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Nicolas Otamendi | City Player
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Feck the price, if we feel that he will improve us then we should buy, and reading what people who have watched La Liga this year has to say, he has been one of the best defenders.
In the case of Otamendi and the ludicrous price in context of his actual ability it's like buying for the sake of buying.
not if he would improve the defence, which he would definitely do. unless you want to go into next season relying again on Jones and Smalling staying fit.
Rojo is primarily a passer (with some bad choices at times), Otamendi is an out and out defender more like Smalling
Using Arsenal as an example. Come back when they win the league.
If the club think he is worth the price and we want him then we'll go in for him. Koscielny cost £9 Million so we shouldn't pay £30 million for Otamendi
That's not how it works.
Out of the 10 or so examples of player fee's given in on the last page, you focus soley on the mention of Wenger? My point is when defenders like Silva have moved for less in the last few years you know the fee may, just may... be a little inflated, when judging fee to the talent/age obtained, Benatia last season as another example went for 21mill to Bayern, again, who everyone on here was clamouring for, not quite the 36mill we'd have to pay here.
As you laugh at using Wenger, as a manager who's kept Arsenal up the top by buying smartly, how about Sir Alex? who would also constantly pass if he felt there was minimal value in the market, waiting for the right players at the right fees/wages.
Just because there was money available didnt mean he would just sit back and allow other clubs to bend us over, hey, hows 60mill for Di Maria working out for you? paying a 200% premium for players isn't sustainable, also no offense but your posting style is incredibly obnoxious.
Makes me sad how people talk about Smalling in the transfer forum 
Either he's not good enough or can hardly get on the pitch because he's always injured. I think he's had a great season and of our 37 league games so far he's either been in the team or on the bench for 30 of them. He missed one because of suspension so that's only six matches which can be put down to fitness.
Either he's not good enough or can hardly get on the pitch because he's always injured. I think he's had a great season and of our 37 league games so far he's either been in the team or on the bench for 30 of them. He missed one because of suspension so that's only six matches which can be put down to fitness.
Makes me sad how people talk about Smalling in the transfer forum
Either he's not good enough or can hardly get on the pitch because he's always injured. I think he's had a great season and of our 37 league games so far he's either been in the team or on the bench for 30 of them. He missed one because of suspension so that's only six matches which can be put down to fitness.
Really? Wow seemed a lot more than that. I'm sure at least 2 maybe 3 times hes had to come off the pitch due to injury too.
Smalling has been very good this season though, very good indeed.
Once was cramp I think. Against Palace.
if we're in for Otamendi, then those two were obviously not available. plus, for all those worried about age, Godin is almost 30.
Give me their names and I will batter the cnuts into oblivion.Makes me sad how people talk about Smalling in the transfer forum
Either he's not good enough or can hardly get on the pitch because he's always injured. I think he's had a great season and of our 37 league games so far he's either been in the team or on the bench for 30 of them. He missed one because of suspension so that's only six matches which can be put down to fitness.
How? He's been one of the best defenders in La Liga this season for a team that will finish top 4. How is this buying for the sake of buying?
Looks like the player has already agreed to personal terms. Only thing that's left is to actually trigger the release clause.
Report: Nicolas Otamendi agrees to join Manchester United
Valencia defender Nicolas Otamendi has reportedly agreed a deal to join Manchester United when the transfer window opens in the summer.
United are believed to be preparing for a busy summer of transfer activity, and bringing a central defender to the club is expected to be a priority for Louis van Gaal, who has not settled on a regular defensive pairing this season.
According to Argentine newspaper Diario Ole, Otamendi has agreed terms with the club and an announcement from the two sides should arrive after the Copa America.
Borussia Dortmund's Mats Hummels was previously rumoured to be United's top defensive target, but reports have suggested that he will stay in Germany for at least another season.
http://www.sportsmole.co.uk/footbal...t-otamendi-agrees-to-join-man-utd_224041.html
Report: Nicolas Otamendi agrees to join Manchester United
Valencia defender Nicolas Otamendi has reportedly agreed a deal to join Manchester United when the transfer window opens in the summer.
United are believed to be preparing for a busy summer of transfer activity, and bringing a central defender to the club is expected to be a priority for Louis van Gaal, who has not settled on a regular defensive pairing this season.
According to Argentine newspaper Diario Ole, Otamendi has agreed terms with the club and an announcement from the two sides should arrive after the Copa America.
Borussia Dortmund's Mats Hummels was previously rumoured to be United's top defensive target, but reports have suggested that he will stay in Germany for at least another season.
http://www.sportsmole.co.uk/footbal...t-otamendi-agrees-to-join-man-utd_224041.html
That was just about all of us until this spring!Once again you use example who are special, Milan needed to get rid of Thiago Silva because of financial problems and Benatia was in contract battle with Roma.
What you are doing is like using Tevez' price to knock down Diego Costa's price.
I dont care about reports saying he agreed a deal. Garay and Gaitan reportedly agreed several deals with us already in the last few years, none of them actually happened. I dont trust these South American newspapers.....
Sportsmole.
Milan were already selling season tickets for the next season before PSG came in late with a double bid for Ibra and Silva, Milan then had to offer refunds for already sold season tickets IIRC? so it wasnt as if they were giving them away on first offer for peanuts, they were going into the coming season with them fully intended members of the squad.
Marzinqous was another who cost 26mill from Roma as another example, but i expect he had to get out of the country for some reason that devalued his transfer fee?
but perhaps you have a point instead of me constantly naming half decent players who've cost much less, could you instead name a few defenders of Ottamedi's talent and age that have gone for 36mill or higher please, barring Luiz and Mangala who must go down as two of the most woeful transfers for the cash paid of all time.
I don't know for how much is going to go, I don't even know if he is going to go. 50m is only his clause and I don't think that it is his price.
Now, if Marquinhos at 18 years old and only 1 season worth 26m, then Otamendi who had a couple of very good seasons with Porto and 1 great season with Valencia worth more.
Also I don't have any valid examples of centerbacks with Otamendi experience and current form who have been sold when playing for a team who don't particularly need to sell. And that's the problem, we are in rare situation, there is no particular price for these players.
I'm not sure if anyone here who keeps on insisting that he is not good enough even watches La Liga. I don't watch it often, but I have watched all the games of Valencia vs RM/Barca/Atl.Madrid and he was an absolute monster in all of them. Messi, Neymar, C.Ronaldo, Bale, Benzema and Griezmann etc. all struggled against him but people here seems to think that the likes of Benteke is going to tear him a new one.
We need a CB and if the club think a player is worth it we'll go after him. What the hell are you rambling on about.
Because all he does is add another body to what we have, he isn't the ball playing CB we need if LvG is going to insist on defenders bringing the ball out across the halfway line and starting moves. Otamendi is cut from the exact same cloth as Jones and Rojo only he's not as good on the ball as the latter.
How about we stop passing judgements on which players LVG covets based on pretending we know what type of defender he wants.
He either thinks Otamendi can bring the ball out to an acceptable level or his defensive level is so high that it overrides his ball playing skills.
Has anybody actually looked at the defenders he has brought to his clubs over the years and determined which style is his preferred choice or are we guessing?
I think it's pretty obvious by simply watching our games what type of CB he wants, time and again our CB's split with the #6 dropping between them and the one with the ball charges up field and almost always hits a bad pass or ends up stopping dead and playing it backwards after running 50 yards with it. Smalling and Jones are both poor distributors and Otamendi isn't much better, so £36M for another CB that can't actually bring the ball out effectively for a manager who demands his CB's bring the ball out seems pointless.
Your post gives the impression that the defending abilities are secondary for a Centerback.
Diego Costa one of the premier strikers in world football, at the age of 25 cost 31mill, but this guy whos had 1 good season in spain will run us 36mill?
In fairness Costa had one good season. Total liability before that.
In LvG's system I'd say they are only as important as the ability to bring the ball out purposefully from the back. If he wanted oldschool CB's then he'd set us up like Terry and Cahill, but he doesn't so I can't see why he would buy yet another CB that doesn't have the skill set.
If van Gaal thinks Otamendi is good enough, I don't even care what I think. He will be a good signing if we do eventually sign him.
That logic only applies to us, City and PSG as no other club seems to be spending that much on central defenders. This guy has been good for just one season and he is worth 36m? We have the money but that doesn't mean we can just piss it away, there is nothing that would disappoint me more than spending another 150m and then wake up to find ourselves several steps behind a title winning squad. We need to scout players more effectively and spend our money wisely.
More importantly, what is his injury record like?
So being good with Porto doesn't matter ?
What leaves me worried is that we would sign another CB who lacks height compared to the average Premier League CB. Unless you play as a full-back, being only 6'0" tall when you're either a CB or a goalkeeper is criminal in this league. Furthermore, other people mentioned his lack of ability in ball distribution, so he's a no-no to begin with.
And besides, why was he not selected for the Argentina squad in the last World Cup?
And besides, why was he not selected for the Argentina squad in the last World Cup?
Never really watched him- can someone describe his style for me? Can he pass the ball? Will he fit alongside smalling? Fast/slow? etc. much appreciated, I'll pop back soon
To put it simply, he is better in the air than most Premier League Centrebacks and he is better with the ball too, he plays simply, though.
Edit: Do you think that Thiago Silva would physically struggle in the PL?
OK this 'had one good season' nonsense has got to stop. He played to a very high standard at Porto for 4 years prior to moving to Valencia and he's an Argentinian National, getting his first cap in 2009. He is one of the world's top defenders, you say we should be improving our scouting system but for what? Apparently Otamendi hasn't proven himself after playing at a very high standard for the last 5 years, but you want us to find an unknown and thrust him straight into the first team to solve outt defensive problems?
36 million release clause. fecksake.
I agree with you, but he had one bad season if I recall correctly.
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