Ruben Ayala?
Nicolas Otamendi | City Player
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Ruben Ayala?
Reberto I think, the guy who used to play for Valencia
Would Godin really cost more though, that seems like top wack for a CB these days, isn't that what PSG paid for Luiz?
I accept Godin probably isn't available though.
EDIT: Actually I forgot, PSG paid £' not Euros... hahaha I forgot how mental they are
I think his release clause is higher than Otamendi's, could be wrong but surely that would make sense. And if neither Valencia nor Atletico want to lose their star defender, we'd have to pay one of the clauses
You may have a point here. Also, he was playing as a rightback for Argentina when he got his chance at the WC. I don't see anything that suggests this guy is worth anything north of 20M. 38.6 is his buyout clause!
Roberto Ayala
Now that Hummels has said no, Otamendi is a clear favourite in my books. I've seen him a few times this season and he's always been the leader of the back-line at Valencia.
Am just saying he'll be at an instant disadvantage against the big forwards in the league. Benteke bullied Jones for instance when we played Villa (3-1 win at OT). Thats not my main concern though. He's simply not worth his buyout clause IMO.
Its not the case for me. I wasn't keen on him when we were first linked. Ive also never been keen on Hummels
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36m isn't reasonable, by any stretch of the imagination.
Oh right! I'll have to look up Otamendi on Youtube
edit: holy cow he looks like Meireles in defence
The last part in particular is what baffles me, LvG continues to want the CB's to play the ball out and often times drive up field with it, why sign another CB that is poor at this? Surely we are crying out for a Rio type not a Vidic type.
Well if he is as good as Ayala, then that's bloody good.
Too short. We have a major height problem so a 6ft central defender isn't the answer, regardless of his other qualities.
Do we? Can't say I've noticed us losing out an abnormal amount in the air this season. Plus we hardly need another giant to partner Smalling.
Don't think it's a pre for a centreback. Otamendi is a very header of the ball and we've been after Marquinhos last januari, who is hardly a giant. We don't know what midfielders he'll bring in either, they probably will add some height too.
he looks impressive, get him signed Ed.
Ayala was a completely different player
I'll be honest, I think we are only linked with this guy because he's a Mendes client. Fantastic defender, but doesn't strike me as the ball playing defender that LVG is looking for.
Looks like there aren't any world class CBs left in the world if Otamendi is worth 36M. Im not impressed
For a quality centre back with at least 5 years left in him? I reckon it is. Maybe 4 years ago it might be unreasonable, but not today.
They are not completely different, IMO. They are both good header of the ball, they are both patient but ferocious tackler, they both try to trap the attacker, they both have a big temperament. I only remember that Ayala was better with the ball.
Diego Costa one of the premier strikers in world football, at the age of 25 cost 31mill, but this guy whos had 1 good season in spain will run us 36mill?
How the feck are teams built these days? 35-80mill for every player on the pitch now?Diego Costa one of the premier strikers in world football, at the age of 25 cost 31mill, but this guy whos had 1 good season in spain will run us 36mill?
Diego Costa had a low clause, who didn't reflected his value.
We don't know exactly what he's looking for. Van Gaal may have wanted Hummels just as much for his leadership and organisation skills, an area at which Smalling has really stepped up with this season.
From what I've seen of Otamendi he's fine on the ball, mobile and a beast defensively.
Valencia bought him for 8,5M a year ago, no chance anybody will buy him for 35 now.
Just taking last seasons summer, Fabregas only cost 28mill, Sanchez only cost 30, but this guy is worth 36mill? Godin was reported to have a release fee of 28.5mill who's tried and tested class, but we should be happy to fork out 36mill
, am I seriously cracking up or is it still possible to build a team without spending 36mill+ per player?Just taking last seasons summer, Fabregas only cost 28mill, Sanchez only cost 30, but this guy is worth 36mill? Godin was reported to have a release fee of 28.5mill who's tried and tested class, but we should be happy to fork out 36mill
Fabregas and Sanchez were rejects, Otamendi isn't. The price of a player depends a lot on the importance of the player for his club, Valencia don't want to see Otamendi go.
But you do realise thats exactly what makes them smart purchases right?, how much did Varane run Real? how much did even a superstar like Thiago Silva cost PSG?, how does Wenger manage to keep Arsenal competitive with pitifully minior transfers like 9mill for Koscielny, tell me again how this should be considered a wise investment of 36mill?
And how is it an unwise investment? Do you have the exact same product at a lower price?
That's how you know if you have a good price, and by the way the price is in euros Valencia could sell at around 35m€ but he has a 50m€ clause.
And Luiz cost £50mil, Torres £50mil, Hulk £35mil, Cavani £55mil, Mangala £32mil, Fernandinho £34mil, Illarramendi £34mil. There's bargains and rip offs at either end of the spectrum. Being one of the 'premier' defenders in world football (a position that is becoming increasingly hard to come by) I'd say that's just about right.Diego Costa one of the premier strikers in world football, at the age of 25 cost 31mill, but this guy whos had 1 good season in spain will run us 36mill?
He's number one in la liga for headed clearances so it obviously doesn't affect him too much.
People are acting like Otamendi's a 5' 9" CB who will be a liability in the air. He happens to be 6 ft, and is actually great in the air, not even considering his height. Evra is only 5' 8" but he was great in the air despite his height. Height doesn't automatically dictate how good a player is in winning headers.
If people are so concerned about his 6 feet height then we can always give him 2 inch studs to wear. There. Problem solved.
I like the look of that last video I must say.
Seems to time his tackles/interceptions really well and has a bullet of a header.
Not arsed about price tags. I'm sure we've scouted him properly and know what we want to pay.
Seems to time his tackles/interceptions really well and has a bullet of a header.
Not arsed about price tags. I'm sure we've scouted him properly and know what we want to pay.
Using Arsenal as an example. Come back when they win the league. If the club think he is worth the price and we want him then we'll go in for him. Koscielny cost £9 Million so we shouldn't pay £30 million for Otamendi
That's not how it works.
We have a replica player in Rojo already at the club, and he is decent at best. Don't want Otamendi, certainly not for that price.
To everyone who doesn't want him: who DO you want then? Its pointless to criticise without offering any alternative. You'd prefer us to just maintain the status quo and put the money in a savings account? Same thing happens in the Clyne thread, Bale thread, hell even the Ronaldo thread.
And don't say Hummels or Godin, as they're clearly not available.
I can of Laporte perhaps and that's it. And he's a kid.
And don't say Hummels or Godin, as they're clearly not available.
I can of Laporte perhaps and that's it. And he's a kid.
You overestimate the importance of height. Timing and jumping is more important, something Otamendi is very good at.
If he was 5ft8 it would've been different.
Don't know if it's already mentioned, but Guillem Balague had him in his 14/15 La Liga XI. It says a lot.
Unless his name was Patrice "the salmon" Evra of course
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