Whats this guy like? Have not seen him outside of the World Cup and even then I don't remember much.
Nicolas Otamendi | City Player
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Jamie (@Vault Dweller) are here to celebrate rare back-to-back victories for Manchester United! They analyse the late win in the Europa League vs. Rangers and then try and find things to analyse in a pretty dour game vs. Fulham. They also chat about the latest Marcus Rashford news, and look at the latest transfer news.
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If I had to make a 'stupid' comparison I would say Ayala mk2.
I agree but every price tag we have paid lately has been excessive. Comes with the position we are in, a lot of money and we need to improve and we are not the destination anymore top players are ligning up to join. So I guess when we identify a player that is available and fits the requirements we are looking for we can't be picky over the price. So just pay what you need to get your man and lets start worrying about the excessiveness of the fee again when we have a top team that can play CL finals and win trophies.
Godin has been in a mainstay in the national side for 10yrs and has had a steadily rising career path, Otamendi has had one decent season. Can't say I've seen much of him, but for such an important position I think we should be aiming higher.
Most reports say his release clause is €50m which is actually £35.5m. Reports in Spain say we already launched a £25.5m bid in the last window which was rejected immediately. The fact that he still has 4 years left on his contract and that Valencia don't need the money likely means that the only way to get him would be to trigger his release clause. Yes he is a very good defender and yes that is a lot of money. Its LVG's call.
no idea why people care so much about the money. we need to realise that money doesn't matter anymor -- getting the right player in, does. it's not like saving £5m here or there will mean we can scrape together another £20m for an additional player. if we needed that additional player, we'd just buy him.
i kind of had my heart set on Hummels but I think perhaps Otamendi is actually a better fit next to Smalling. the new Vidic/Rio partnership? let's hope so.
i kind of had my heart set on Hummels but I think perhaps Otamendi is actually a better fit next to Smalling. the new Vidic/Rio partnership? let's hope so.
Who has been watching this guy on a regular basis? If so, is he the right buy? We had a bid rejected for this guy in January so I'm expecting we will return with more harassing bids from Woody.
In other words, we should be all over him !
i haven't seen much of him but i get the impression he would quickly become a fan favourite.
In other words, we should be all over him !
If we're looking for a Vidic, then yes. If we're looking for someone to do something that Vidic wouldnt have been comfortable doing, like doing some fancy play on the ball then he might not be the right player
We have Jones for that to be fair..
No one spazs out in installments before headbutting the ground like Jones...or were you being serious!?
So is this.Poor Boateng we'll never see him again.
Well yeah, but that won't happen.
That's exactly what I meant
That's not true, though. Otamendi had at least two very good seasons at Porto, and was very much on the rise.
So according to Twitter we have bought him?, just like we 'bought' Gundogan right?.
He is similar to Jones and Rojo. Surely we should be looking for someone good with the ball too.
Very good and solid player. We still need more defensive minded players
he'll start with Smalling though. Jones and Rojo as backups.
No he didn't, he had one decent season in all the time he was there, stop looking on Wikipedia for your answers!
What are you spewing? Otamendi has been a good player for a while. There was a reason - however unsubstaniated - that he was frequently linked to us. His development at Valencia has been surprising, but not out of the blue. He was a good player. Wikipedia that.
more people just being contrarian i see. who else if not Otamendi -- that is actually available? no Hummels, no Godin.
I'm not going to pretend i've seen much of him but the price quoted is 36mill, for a 27 year old... really?
Buy out clause, so yeah overpriced but if we want him we pay I guess. I'm not sure who else out there is great, I really liked Hummels despite his up and down season but that looks unlikely. Laporte and Varane are my two favorite CBs I'd like to see here but I doubt they will leave their respective clubs and would also be very expensive no doubt, although both a lot younger.
I'm baffled why anyone thinks his age is some sort of barrier. Since when did 27 become the new 33?
What will Laporte cost?
Every man and his dog has been linked with us, doesn't make them all Utd quality.
I'm baffled why anyone thinks his age is some sort of barrier. Since when did 27 become the new 33?
Because the majority of players start a decline around the age of 30, we recieved only 1 great year out of RvP when we purchased him at 28-29 for example.
For 36million, and I repeat... 36million for him, it's not too hard to envision a scneario where we'd get 2-3 decent seasons before a decline for a 36million pound investment @NJM78 points out, with a Varane, Laporte or even a dare I say, a Stones, we could get a decade of service for similar fees, I don't think we're 1 player away from being real Champions League contendors to warrant such a move, in my opinion, and I stress, just my opinion we should continue to follow Sir Alex beliefs, the way he's always conducted his transfers, buy young , always be building for the future.
big difference between buying a 29 year old striker and a 27 year old central defender. big difference between buying a 27 year old striker for that matter. defenders don't need to rely on their pace quite as much.
You do have a point in fairness, but there are forwards for us who've still had great years post 30, Teddy Sherringham for example winning PL player of the year at 34, but again you could argue he never relied upon his phyiscal attriubtes or pace, but then RvP also never relied upon his pace during his prime years so it's been surprising the magnitute of his decay.
I look at Rio and Vidic and they started their decline around 30-31, you could clearly pinpoint injuries contributing to their end, but is there a correlation between age and injuries?
Anyway, my main point, burried somewhere in there is just the idea the younger centerbacks out there, obtainable for similar or less, would potentially give much, much longer service, and a chance to grow with the nucleus of a young team (smalling, shaw, jones, depay, herrera, maybe added.. wilson, pereria, januzaj etc DDG? maybe not
)@NL Max Can you see any logic in this buy from the standpoint of LvG's history and the type of CB's he likes and would need to add to our current selection?
I have only seen him play 3 times this season, but he did well in all those matches.
From what I've read he fits the profile, sort of. Being a good header of the ball is very important, if we play like van Gaal wants us too most of the attacks from opposition will come via punts up the field, he usually had defenders who could easily deal with this. Otamendi isn't the biggest but very good at this and we've been in for Marquinhos aswell, so I don't think height is really important for van Gaal.
Also a very good defender, which is good if de Gea ends up leaving. He would add some experience if, like many expect, it's Evans who makes way for him.
2 things about him which are a slight worry: right footed. I don't know how good he is with his left, but I think van Gaal would prefer a left footer. Since good centrebacks are scarce he might not care too much about it though, since Otamendi already plays LCB. We'd have 3 right footers and 1 left footer, don't know if he wants this.
I don't know how good he actually is with the ball at his feet. To be fair van Gaal doesn't expect his centrebacks to have the passing of Carrick, but they need to be able to calmly pass their way out under pressure and avoid lumps up the field if they can. They also have to spot openings to pass into midfield. I don't know if he has the potential to do this, if he has it would make alot of sense to go for him. Many said he's the best defender in Spain this year but I really can't judge him since I haven't seen enough.
Van Buyten & Demichelis were the paring last time his team played us!!!!!!!
He's not the best defender in Spain this year, thats way over the top. But he's younger and more available than the best defender in Spain so its probably not a choice
Only if we pay the alleged 36M big ones.
Which is still more reasonable than paying more for Godin, who is 29 and may not want to come
Would Godin really cost more though, that seems like top wack for a CB these days, isn't that what PSG paid for Luiz?
I accept Godin probably isn't available though.
EDIT: Actually I forgot, PSG paid £' not Euros... hahaha I forgot how mental they are
Think he has a transfer clause of around £30m
Thanks.
Honestly feels about par for a player in his prime that we are after these days
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