Schneiderlin was very good at Southampton and I wanted him at United, but he was not as dominant as Kante. Don't know what he is on, but the guy seems to be everywhere on the pitch.
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Schneiderlin was very good at Southampton and I wanted him at United, but he was not as dominant as Kante. Don't know what he is on, but the guy seems to be everywhere on the pitch.
I see them as 2 huge factors. It's the truth really whether you want to accept it or not. Having a world class manager to play for and playing for the biggest club in the league makes it an easy decision. There's nothing really complex about it. Give a player the choice and they're coming here over you without a doubt.
Kante tbf had a season that surpassed any of Schneiderlins. But it's difficult to say if firstly, Kante will play at that level for every season here after and also if he suits a team who dominate possession against opposition who usually park the bus. There are many players that suit certain systems to a bone, but struggle in others. The major worry for me is that we have a few players similar in style, so if we were to buy just 1 midfielder I don't think Kante alone would be enough for us in the coming season. It will be in interesting to see how Kante performs next season, as he's at an age where he should only improve, but a new team and system may well see that progression stalled.
It's bullshit really.
Bigger club nonsense is just a way for United fans to soothe their egos and rub their metapHorncastle dicks to whenever something comes up that they don't like. "Man city won the title? Yeah, well we are the bigger club *commence frantic dick rubbing*"
Choice of manager is also a load of shit. Not only do Chelsea also have a top class manager but a players choice of manager preference is individual to each player. Some players choose managers basedo on how they have worked with them, others don't choose managers based on how they have worked with them. Just as many players don't want to work under Mourinho as there are that do. It's as simple as that really.
If someone is calling him the best midfielder in the league, they're wrong. If someone is calling him the best defensive minded midfielder, then they have a good argument for it. You say Kante vs other quality midfielders in the league, who are they? There are very few top defensive midfield players in the premiership, I can't think of any I would choose over Kante.
I'm a little confused by this argument, Toure is basically a CAM and relies heavily on midfielders behind him such as Fernandinho to cover his workload, especially in a defensive sense. Even Dembele who is very competent at the defensive side of the game gets nowhere near the amount of interceptions and tackles Kante does, he's also partnered next to a completely defensively minded Dier. Carrying the ball is different to dribbling, Kante is far from being an impressive dribbler, but what he does brilliantly is carry the ball forward, especially when the other team is in a transitional phase.
I'd much rather have an in form Matic then an in form Kante as a CDM. I think Kante's best position would be box to box, where he would be given the freedom to intercept the ball from the opposition side without restraint, especially in a 3 man midfield.
You tried to nit picking term while still tried to generalized at the same time. For deep lying holding defensive role Carrick (the season before), Matic (at his best the season before), Dier, Fernandino, Wanayama,... we're better. Why? It's the fecking Makelele role that I was trying to explain all this time. Kante is not deep lying holding midfielder. Drinkwater is being calmer and more of the holding role (he has a fair share of action) of the 2. Drinkwater is very underrated here. He did his role very well that allows the system to tick and allow Kante to brings out all his wonderful ability.
So I was generalizing and acknowledge Kante being the best midfield performer in this past season. I distinguished performer vs quality, which I saw other midfielders with higher ceiling underperformed. You have Matic, Carzola, Bastian (question whether he can be influential on a whole season), Cesc... who have higher ceiling in their days. You have past their best like Carrick, Yaya... who in the past showed higher level than what Kante has shown. Again, I am not downplaying Kante, just put thing into perspective where there are quite many world class called being thrown around for Kante. On the other hands, Chelsea has him in lower priority to Nainggolan who is no where being called world class.
I was explaining the style of attack run by these player, not the role of them in the team. Fecking Yaya was played as deep lying holding role for Rijkaard and Pep and he used to bursting past the opponents' whole team too. He doesn't change that. Here we talk about how Kante despite being quite good with his run, his run is quite limited in attacking sense. Dembelele and Yaya's run is more penetration and harder to defend against, that's the point. While Yaya Toure is lazier and seem to completely offload his defensive to other player, Kante doesn't run Leicester midfield alone neither. Drinkwater should get some credit.
Sorry to say this: you're so traumatized by the 2 thrashing vs Tottenham and Arsenal under LVG, and that make you bias against play making players vs athletic player.
Let's me kindly remind you that LVG is gone. Those both defeats were hugely down to his poor management. You above gave leeway to Kante while as the same time use the same tactical excuse against our players! If anything, our players were the victims of LVG's tactic, while Kante failed tactically in Makelele role. With Mourinho, we don't play like LVG's style. When we use possession, it would have better purpose and being used in correct scenario, not passing for the sake of stats.
Different managers use different tactic and has different profiles for the roles. All I tried to explain is Kante doesn't really fit Mourinho profile for deep lying role more #10. For the third role which I called balancer, I don't see Kante fits well with Pogba. If the aim is to get Pogba, why would we get Kante for if they don't fit together as the team? Mourinho seems to share the same thought as we hear no reliable source of interest from Mourinho. Signing should be looked in tactical point of view also, not only attributes.
Yes Pogba signing will the core signing which our team will be built around. His quieter game like vs Portugal in unfamiliar role is more vital to Kante's good game as all action player in a team playing on front foot.
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What the hell does Mourinho's style of football have to do with that post? Why the need to get all defensive, it's not like the post you replied to was any kind of insult towards Conte or Chelsea.
It was a backhanded compliment if ever I saw one.
Essentially saying he will do well in the defensive football that Conte plays. As if Kante is only good in a defensive setup and that defensive football is all Conte plays. It was like a "He is good but only when under the shit house tactics that Chelsea player under their new manager, Conte the defensive Cunte".
The reality check is that United are the team most likely to play defensive football.
This is the crux of it, for me.
Leicester were an expansive, counterattacking side when they had the ball. But when they didn't have the ball, they were EXTREMELY compact. Particularly in the middle to give their centrebacks a chance to dominate physically.
When you make the pitch as small as they did last season, a player like Kante can indeed look as though he's covering every blade of grass when he's defending. But it's far from a guarantee that he can do it for a United side that's going to try and make the pitch as big as possible for most of the game.
I like him as a player, but I'd fancy a playmaker for the middle of the pitch before someone like Kante. Especially if we're getting an AM who likes to get forward as much as Pogba.
Who do you think should play 6, 8 and 10 for us in a team that is built around Pogba?
Is that why Jose loved Essien that much?
I think you need to calm down mate, I'm sure he just meant with Kante being a defensive player and Conte most likely playing a system that relies on defending its only natural he would do well for him. Defending is as much a part of the game as attacking you're not a 'cunte' for utilising it.
That last bit is daft though, we're most likely both going to play less defensive football than a team like Liecester
Signing Kante makes a lot of sense, and I would not be against him joining us.
That being said, I would still prefer Schneiderlin in his Southampton form (if he can rediscover it) over Kante though. I would also like to see TFM get game time in midfield so all in all I am not to fussed on 'missing out' on N'Golo
That being said, I would still prefer Schneiderlin in his Southampton form (if he can rediscover it) over Kante though. I would also like to see TFM get game time in midfield so all in all I am not to fussed on 'missing out' on N'Golo
Essien was an absolute beast who forced his way into the team. Peak Essien is the best player Chelsea have ever had. Too bad he was too muscly and destroyed his knees.
Everything is always passive aggressive and backhanded on this site. I'm fairly certain he was throwing a jab in there too.
More confirmation, let the domino effect follow. Matic to juve, pogba to us.
Bit jealous honestly £30m is a very good price for him, if he plays anywhere near the level of last season then its a bargain.
Ah crap, he'll do great for them.
Great signing for Chelsea and a very good price in today's market.
Not sure signing him would necessarily mean Matic is off. In my opinion we needed 2 midfield signings. Maybe if Conte thinks he can get the "real" Matic back from 2 years ago he'll keep him and we won't need to buy another.
Maybe a midfield 3 of Cesc/Matic/Kante is a possibility? Kante as the box to box with Matic holding. Legs and steel around Cesc to cover his weaknesses.
Maybe a midfield 3 of Cesc/Matic/Kante is a possibility? Kante as the box to box with Matic holding. Legs and steel around Cesc to cover his weaknesses.
nothing on Sky sports yet
thread can be closed when its confirmed
thread can be closed when its confirmed
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I Really wanted us to sign him.
Good signing for them, but £32m can hardly be described as a "very good" price .... it's still a large sum of money, despite what some would like us to believe in terms of their exaggerated claims for price inflation.
Tbf, we were never going to write off Schneiderlin after one season. I think rightly so too, he will be a big player for us under Jose.
That's £63m spent by Chelsea already, right?
I wanted them to play together in a midfield 3 with Pogba as the furthest forward linking up with the wingers and Zlatan.
Best signing of the window so far?
edit: Sorry Zlatan.
edit: Sorry Zlatan.
Mhkitaryan for the price we got him is definitely the best so far this window. In my opinion, of course.
Definatley agree with this. I'm more excited about this chap than the rest that are in/have come in
I hope he lives up to the expectation - I can't handle another diMaria When Pogba is going to cost £100m or more and average players like Sterling and Stones are £50m I'd say £32m is a very good price.
What will Chelsea do with Matic? Their defense seems like it will be pretty solid next season with Conte managerial philosophy and the addition of one of the best tacklers in football.
This almost has ensure that Leceister will not come close to the same level of success they had last season. Kante was the player that solidify the Leceister team and unless Mendy can replicate half of what he contributed, Leceister will struggle next season even if they keep Mahrez and Vardy.
This almost has ensure that Leceister will not come close to the same level of success they had last season. Kante was the player that solidify the Leceister team and unless Mendy can replicate half of what he contributed, Leceister will struggle next season even if they keep Mahrez and Vardy.
That's what I'm wondering. Doubt it was City as they just bought Gündogan and have Fernandinho and Fernando. Plus they're after Sané. Spurs just bought Wanyama and have Dier there too. Arsenal signed Xhaka and have Coquelin.
Maybe United and Liverpool? With PSG being the European club?
Doubt PSG wanted him, they've just got Krychowiak in and he'll be paired with Veratti, think they'll play 4231 so there's no place for Kante unless he's content with a bench.
Perhaps Arse were in for him, Xhaka or not he still would be their best midfielder.
Perhaps Arse were in for him, Xhaka or not he still would be their best midfielder.
Guess that lazy rotten apple won't have to run as much now
I completely forgot they just signed Krychowiak. Maybe the rumors that Real Madrid wanted him were true but he decided he was actually going to play regularly here and rejected them.
Great signing for Chelsea, if it goes through.
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