N'Golo Kante | Off to Chelsea

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Can't see how Zidane wouldn't want this guy in his midfield next season. Not sure he'll be allowed to sign him, though, if they want a flashy player like Pogba instead.

In fact I can't see how any manager wouldn't want him if the release clause is really 20 mill. If any of United, City or Arsenal get him they'd improve imo.
 
I was specifically referring to his passing. Technically he's on a similar level to Schneiderlin and Herrera, who are decent on the ball. In terms of his passing, he loses the ball 2/3 times every game when pressed and under pressure or if he looks for a long pass. Don't get me wrong, he's good when needing to pass the ball sideways for distances around 5/10 yards. But to accommodate him, we would need a decent passer playing box to box(assuming Kante plays CDM). If we look at France's second game of the Euros, when they dropped Pogba, France were majorly lacking in midfield as the passing from midfield was too slow as neither Kante or Matuidi had the passing range to shift the ball cross field consistently enough to break down a defensive team. The ball was shifted out wide to Martial and Coman, who were double marked as the passes were delayed to them. At United, we will be faring against very similar circumstances, in that opposition teams will park the bus and we will need to pass the ball quickly and penetratingly. I personally don't see Kante posses that sort of passing ability.

But like I said in my previous post and this post, Kante is fantastic at making interceptions can run past several players in midfield to create space and at around £20m, it'd be a steal. But we would need a better technician to play alongside him. Also, I understand some on here underestimate Kante's abilities, but there's clearly also a fair few who exaggerate it. I mean the last sentence of yours alone, sums up how absurdly you value him.
this is the biggest load of BS I have read on this forum, if this is actually what you think of Kante then you should give up watching football as it's too complicated for you
 
Can't see how Zidane wouldn't want this guy in his midfield next season. Not sure he'll be allowed to sign him, though, if they want a flashy player like Pogba instead.

In fact I can't see how any manager wouldn't want him if the release clause is really 20 mill. If any of United, City or Arsenal get him they'd improve imo.
They have Casemiro already.
 
What?

Kanté rarely loses the ball and he isn't afraid of a forward, progressive pass. Obviously it's not his forte, but he's not where passes or attacks go to die, either. He does his bit in the chain, but prefers to defer expansive stuff to the players in the team who are supposed to play them, which is more intelligence than incompetence.

If you're saying you want midfielders with more general passing nous, fair enough, but Kanté is nowhere near as limited as you're making out. He's even shown long-range, cross-field passing from deep that no-one even knew he could do in this tournament, so if anything, he's displaying more in his locker than people thought he had before the tournament started.
I never said that he loses the ball many times a game. I agree he rarely loses the ball, but that's because the majority of his passes are short passes. Carrick has gotten a lot of stick for his short passes, but he's a considerably better passer than Kante, in comparison. Also I never "made him out to be limited", I just said if he plays for United, it's not the same as playing in a team like Leicester that play on the counter and have a considerably lower percentage of possession, so we would need to play him with good passers. Is what I said wrong? I'll also say this for the third time now, as for some reason some posters replying haven't seen it, I think Kante would be a very good signing at the price quoted (release clause) and he has a lot of attributes that we need in midfield.
 
this is the biggest load of BS I have read on this forum, if this is actually what you think of Kante then you should give up watching football as it's too complicated for you
Sorry mate, I don't quite have your level of expertise in watching and analysing football yet. Care to explain your point further rather than insulting me without giving your reasoning as to why you didn't agree with my post?
 
I never said that he loses the ball many times a game. I agree he rarely loses the ball, but that's because the majority of his passes are short passes. Carrick has gotten a lot of stick for his short passes, but he's a considerably better passer than Kante, in comparison. Also I never "made him out to be limited", I just said if he plays for United, it's not the same as playing in a team like Leicester that play on the counter and have a considerably lower percentage of possession, so we would need to play him with good passers. Is what I said wrong? I'll also say this for the third time now, as for some reason some posters replying haven't seen it, I think Kante would be a very good signing at the price quoted (release clause) and he has a lot of attributes that we need in midfield.
you said he loses the ball on 2 out of 3 passes, that would be a lot, it is also completely untrue, he is an excellent passer.

See this is what people don't grasp about our style last season all you look at is the possession stats and think we aren't good with the ball, that's completely wrong, what we do is just cut out the 450 5 yard passes that achieve nothing but pad someone's stats and go straight to the part where you give it to the danger men but only now the defensive line isn't set so it works a lot better.

when we did play the 1 touch passing football Kante was a part of that and was superb at it
 
you said he loses the ball on 2 out of 3 passes, that would be a lot, it is also completely untrue, he is an excellent passer.

See this is what people don't grasp about our style last season all you look at is the possession stats and think we aren't good with the ball, that's completely wrong, what we do is just cut out the 450 5 yard passes that achieve nothing but pad someone's stats and go straight to the part where you give it to the danger men but only now the defensive line isn't set so it works a lot better.

when we did play the 1 touch passing football Kante was a part of that and was superb at it
When did I say Leicester were bad on the ball? I thought you were excellent on it last season. You've made assumptions about your whole team, when I'm referring to 1 player. 2/3 times isn't a lot. If someone made 60 passes a game, that's still a passing accuracy of over 95%, so if anything I was being lenient.
Kante is competent indeed, but all I said was he would need to accommodated with other players who can pass better. You were simply overreacting in your OP.
Either way the football Leicester play and United (have played) are very different, and opposition teams also play differently (or rather have done). A good example to compare is Schneiderlin who was amazing last season playing for a technically competent Southampton team. However, playing in a more possession based team, this season he's not been at the same level. I feel that people who expect Kante to perform at the same level he has at Leicester last season will be disappointed (if he joins United that is). However I'm not taking anything away from Kante and I think overall he is a top player. Btw Nampalys Mendy is a very similar sort of player, not as good as a making interceptions, but with a more expansive passing range.
 
I never said that he loses the ball many times a game. I agree he rarely loses the ball, but that's because the majority of his passes are short passes. Carrick has gotten a lot of stick for his short passes, but he's a considerably better passer than Kante, in comparison. Also I never "made him out to be limited", I just said if he plays for United, it's not the same as playing in a team like Leicester that play on the counter and have a considerably lower percentage of possession, so we would need to play him with good passers. Is what I said wrong? I'll also say this for the third time now, as for some reason some posters replying haven't seen it, I think Kante would be a very good signing at the price quoted (release clause) and he has a lot of attributes that we need in midfield.
2/3 implies 2 times out of 3, not 2 or 3 times per game or someone with a 95% success rate as your later post explained.

That's what I was disputing.
 
When did I say Leicester were bad on the ball? I thought you were excellent on it last season. You've made assumptions about your whole team, when I'm referring to 1 player. 2/3 times isn't a lot. If someone made 60 passes a game, that's still a passing accuracy of over 95%, so if anything I was being lenient.
Kante is competent indeed, but all I said was he would need to accommodated with other players who can pass better. You were simply overreacting in your OP.
Either way the football Leicester play and United (have played) are very different, and opposition teams also play differently (or rather have done). A good example to compare is Schneiderlin who was amazing last season playing for a technically competent Southampton team. However, playing in a more possession based team, this season he's not been at the same level. I feel that people who expect Kante to perform at the same level he has at Leicester last season will be disappointed (if he joins United that is). However I'm not taking anything away from Kante and I think overall he is a top player. Btw Nampalys Mendy is a very similar sort of player, not as good as a making interceptions, but with a more expansive passing range.

2/3 implies 2 times out of 3, not 2 or 3 times per game or someone with a 95% success rate as your later post explained.

That's what I was disputing.

You beat me to it, I read it as he lost the ball 2 out of 3 times as well.
 
... The hypothetical offered by Rozay is that he doesn't want Kante because we have Fosu-Mensah. I do think some people will be in for a shock when players like Fosu-Mensah very rarely make the starting team next season. Mourinho is far from van Gaal.

The purported amount is very small too, BTW. Like £20m buy-out clause.

I still maintain. He is not a once in a generation sort of gifted player like a Verratti or Pogba level talent, he is a tactically smart, hardworking midfielder who is admittedly VERY good at what he does. However, 'what he does' is something that is easier to find than say a new Scholes. He is not a genius of a midfielder.

Mourinho may or may not play Fosu Mensah. I do believe that overlooking him as a starting position is just age discrimination though. People keep saying how young and untested he is, but the reality is, he has actually shown that he can play at first team level already. He hasn't shown it for a whole year, but maybe if we don't go and buy a player who is basically an older version of him - he can do.

Again, I am never one for blindly playing kids, but the role Kante has performed has been replicated by others who are not special players in great teams too, those players are not 'must sign' for top clubs. I've seen players like Darren Fletcher or even Philip fecking Neville come into our midfield at stages and chase, win balls and be considered amongst our best performers. They were no Scholes of course, but Kante is closer to them than he is to Scholes too.

I am basing my assessment of Fosu Mensah on what I have seen him do in the United first team already. That is tireless running, speed of transition from defence to attack by driving with the ball, winning majority of the tackles he goes in for. These are the things Kante will be bought to do, and I'm not proposing to play someone who has only shown it at reserve level. Anyone who follows my posts will know I'm quite dismissive of the clamour for James Wilson to be out in the first team mix, largely because he's done nowhere near enough for the first team to be given chances, and it all comes from reserve form against many footballers who will not make it at the top themselves. Fosu Mensah has been amongst our best players in his cameos, and the role of breaking up play and tackling is not one that requires an expensive top signing by default for a top side. This is no slight against Kante, but there have been many of his kind before him and most title winning sides in various leagues will continue to have a version. Majority of them will not have been amongst that teams glamorous signings, some will have been picked up for £500k or so. Flamini did similar for Arsenal first time around. He left and subsequently showed he was not necessarily a great footballer, but he was good enough at what he does in that Arsenal team to be a key member, as was Coquelin when he got in.

No reason, in my books, that Mensah cannot do similarly. Based on his 8 or 10 games for us so far, I think the best reason anyone would come up with for him not being included is 'he's 18'. That isn't good enough for me. He's already good enough to play for us, and will likely get better from here with investment in him. We have others like Schneiderlein who can rotate with him, we don't need Kante.
 
I still maintain. He is not a once in a generation sort of gifted player like a Verratti or Pogba level talent, he is a tactically smart, hardworking midfielder who is admittedly VERY good at what he does. However, 'what he does' is something that is easier to find than say a new Scholes. He is not a genius of a midfielder.

Mourinho may or may not play Fosu Mensah. I do believe that overlooking him as a starting position is just age discrimination though. People keep saying how young and untested he is, but the reality is, he has actually shown that he can play at first team level already. He hasn't shown it for a whole year, but maybe if we don't go and buy a player who is basically an older version of him - he can do.

Again, I am never one for blindly playing kids, but the role Kante has performed has been replicated by others who are not special players in great teams too, those players are not 'must sign' for top clubs. I've seen players like Darren Fletcher or even Philip fecking Neville come into our midfield at stages and chase, win balls and be considered amongst our best performers. They were no Scholes of course, but Kante is closer to them than he is to Scholes too.

I am basing my assessment of Fosu Mensah on what I have seen him do in the United first team already. That is tireless running, speed of transition from defence to attack by driving with the ball, winning majority of the tackles he goes in for. These are the things Kante will be bought to do, and I'm not proposing to play someone who has only shown it at reserve level. Anyone who follows my posts will know I'm quite dismissive of the clamour for James Wilson to be out in the first team mix, largely because he's done nowhere near enough for the first team to be given chances, and it all comes from reserve form against many footballers who will not make it at the top themselves. Fosu Mensah has been amongst our best players in his cameos, and the role of breaking up play and tackling is not one that requires an expensive top signing by default for a top side. This is no slight against Kante, but there have been many of his kind before him and most title winning sides in various leagues will continue to have a version. Majority of them will not have been amongst that teams glamorous signings, some will have been picked up for £500k or so. Flamini did similar for Arsenal first time around. He left and subsequently showed he was not necessarily a great footballer, but he was good enough at what he does in that Arsenal team to be a key member, as was Coquelin when he got in.

No reason, in my books, that Mensah cannot do similarly. Based on his 8 or 10 games for us so far, I think the best reason anyone would come up with for him not being included is 'he's 18'. That isn't good enough for me. He's already good enough to play for us, and will likely get better from here with investment in him. We have others like Schneiderlein who can rotate with him, we don't need Kante.
I will side with you on this. Mourinho may not need a full time all action player like Kante (without the gift of real attacking attribute), but Mourinho may find way to fit TFM in the team the way he used Zoumq to man mark on form Fellaini out of game, while maintaining the backbone structure of his primary starting XI. Kante lacks the physical presence and aerial advantage, Mourinho favors. People would talk about Makelele, but I will kindly remind that Kante as shown till this day is different than Makelele. For his role, Makelele was one of the very best. Kante is very, arguably one of the best last season in the league, but not necessary one of the best in a bigger picture nor that far ahead from his competitor within the league.

Kante would be a great signing if the team lacks this type of player aka United during SAF last few years. But not necessarily a must buy for Arsenal, Totenham, United at the moment (if no one moves), Chelsea, Atletico, Barcelona, Juventus, Bayern,... Real Madrid may need a cover, but I can't see they need Kante as starter in place of any of their 3 midfielders at the moment.
 
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Kanté's pass success = 82% last season. Probably because he's a short passer. He's a weak passer compared to the players United already have. He's good on yellows/reds. Only 3 yellows and no reds. Very good for a defensive midfielder. Not that fussed either way. I'd prefer him to Fellaini but he'd take opportunities away from TFM who is a seriously aggressive midfielder I'd like to see get a few games at #6 next season.
 
Kanté's pass success = 82% last season. Probably because he's a short passer. He's a weak passer compared to the players United already have. He's good on yellows/reds. Only 3 yellows and no reds. Very good for a defensive midfielder. Not that fussed either way. I'd prefer him to Fellaini but he'd take opportunities away from TFM who is a seriously aggressive midfielder I'd like to see get a few games at #6 next season.
Interesting stat on card/bookings. Then it does explain a lot how he lost his coolness in today game when he picked up the yellow, having to carry a new role, arguably more burden.
 
Latest reports suggest that Leicester are close to a deal for Nampalys Mendy. Possible replacement for Kante?
 
FairPlay if Leicester can hang onto their main players then it's great business by the club.

It Should set them up well for next season
 
IN a midfield three. I would want him at the base. I don't think his ball skills are good enough to play an advanced role for us.
 
Latest reports suggest that Leicester are close to a deal for Nampalys Mendy. Possible replacement for Kante?

I read earlier on in negotiations that the signing had nothing to do with replacing Kante.

We'll find out how true that is by the end of the summer anyway.
 
It's interesting that the rumours of Kante to Arsenal or PSG have ceased and they have both opted for different CM additions, and Chelsea are after a CM but are going for Nainggolan and Witsel, maybe Leicester will keep him after all.
 
this is the biggest load of BS I have read on this forum, if this is actually what you think of Kante then you should give up watching football as it's too complicated for you

How is it BS? He is saying you don't ask your Makeleles to solve problems on the ball like Alonso. Kante is not a particularly creative player. A possession team ought to have someone more creative playing alongside him in midfield if it wants to get the balance right.
 
I still maintain. He is not a once in a generation sort of gifted player like a Verratti or Pogba level talent, he is a tactically smart, hardworking midfielder who is admittedly VERY good at what he does. However, 'what he does' is something that is easier to find than say a new Scholes. He is not a genius of a midfielder.

Mourinho may or may not play Fosu Mensah. I do believe that overlooking him as a starting position is just age discrimination though. People keep saying how young and untested he is, but the reality is, he has actually shown that he can play at first team level already. He hasn't shown it for a whole year, but maybe if we don't go and buy a player who is basically an older version of him - he can do.

Again, I am never one for blindly playing kids, but the role Kante has performed has been replicated by others who are not special players in great teams too, those players are not 'must sign' for top clubs. I've seen players like Darren Fletcher or even Philip fecking Neville come into our midfield at stages and chase, win balls and be considered amongst our best performers. They were no Scholes of course, but Kante is closer to them than he is to Scholes too.

I am basing my assessment of Fosu Mensah on what I have seen him do in the United first team already. That is tireless running, speed of transition from defence to attack by driving with the ball, winning majority of the tackles he goes in for. These are the things Kante will be bought to do, and I'm not proposing to play someone who has only shown it at reserve level. Anyone who follows my posts will know I'm quite dismissive of the clamour for James Wilson to be out in the first team mix, largely because he's done nowhere near enough for the first team to be given chances, and it all comes from reserve form against many footballers who will not make it at the top themselves. Fosu Mensah has been amongst our best players in his cameos, and the role of breaking up play and tackling is not one that requires an expensive top signing by default for a top side. This is no slight against Kante, but there have been many of his kind before him and most title winning sides in various leagues will continue to have a version. Majority of them will not have been amongst that teams glamorous signings, some will have been picked up for £500k or so. Flamini did similar for Arsenal first time around. He left and subsequently showed he was not necessarily a great footballer, but he was good enough at what he does in that Arsenal team to be a key member, as was Coquelin when he got in.

No reason, in my books, that Mensah cannot do similarly. Based on his 8 or 10 games for us so far, I think the best reason anyone would come up with for him not being included is 'he's 18'. That isn't good enough for me. He's already good enough to play for us, and will likely get better from here with investment in him. We have others like Schneiderlein who can rotate with him, we don't need Kante.
Couldn't agree more
 
Kanté's pass success = 82% last season. Probably because he's a short passer. He's a weak passer compared to the players United already have. He's good on yellows/reds. Only 3 yellows and no reds. Very good for a defensive midfielder. Not that fussed either way. I'd prefer him to Fellaini but he'd take opportunities away from TFM who is a seriously aggressive midfielder I'd like to see get a few games at #6 next season.
Context is missing. The way Leicester play, Xavi would have under 85% there. Kante's % was the highest in that team and also the second highest on the euros (92.9), after Busquets (93.1). He's no Pirlo but he moves the ball well enough.
 
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this is the biggest load of BS I have read on this forum, if this is actually what you think of Kante then you should give up watching football as it's too complicated for you
If you disagree with a post, reply properly stating how it's wrong. If you think it's too stupid to reply to, stay the feck away from the quote button. Do no reply like you have done here.
 
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So the briefing by Madrid begins. This either shows Madrid would want Kante instead of Pogba (El confidencial say Kante and Hazard instead) or they're already getting their excuses in case they don't get Pogba by claiming "we wanted Kante instead". Well the latter is less likely as if Pogba leaves I can't see him picking United over Madrid.
 
So the briefing by Madrid begins. This either shows Madrid would want Kante instead of Pogba (El confidencial say Kante and Hazard instead) or they're already getting their excuses in case they don't get Pogba by claiming "we wanted Kante instead". Well the latter is less likely as if Pogba leaves I can't see him picking United over Madrid.
I think it's safe to say Kanté is going to an elite club at the end of the Euros. Who he ends up going to remains to be seen, but I think RM's (Zidane's) interest is very real.

 
I think it's safe to say Kanté is going to an elite club at the end of the Euros. Who he ends up going to remains to be seen, but I think RM's (Zidane's) interest is very real.


Don't suppose anyone has a translation of what he says?
 
The Real Madrid links have me afraid but I think we can pull this one off. Madrid have Casemiro already who's pretty good. He'd play week in week out for us. Looks like Leicester have signed Mendy as Kante's replacement already to so this will be interesting.
 
Think it's more likely Pogba ends up at Madrid.

We should be all after Kante.
 
He would be an awesome signing for us this summer. Not sure why Mourinho is not all over him this summer.
 
He would be an awesome signing for us this summer. Not sure why Mourinho is not all over him this summer.
Maybe he figures Carrick, Schneiderlin and TFM are adequate for the DM role this season and has decided to go all in for Pogba.
 
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