I witnessed one in my first live NFL game last month. Was fecking great.
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I witnessed one in my first live NFL game last month. Was fecking great.
There are only a few things more important to a football team than winning a game. Not quitting on your teammates is at the top.
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sad to hear this. one of the best.
@P-Ro , any chance of improving out tackle situation ? Also OBJ released, interesting enough?
Humphries did well after the initial onslaught of the first quarter. Looks like he's got a slight hamstring injury and it's likely we won't see him again until the playoffs if we secure the 1 seed in the next 2 games (which I suspect we will). Will have to cope with Wanya Morris until then and hope he doesn't get Patrick killed with his noodle blocking arms.
As for Odell....he sucks. I thought you might have been talking about that piece of shit fat greedy bastard Orlando Brown Jr.
It's only Myles Garrett this weekend... what could go wrong. Personally I hope kermitt gets flattened but that cos I'm fed up of the jammy bastard chiefs
Haha. Chiefs should bench Mahomes if they can. he got pressured so many times because of noodles.
Odell is old now. he cant run routes any more, but need to find someone.
Well I spent 14 years wishing Brady suffers the same way, so may be I can forgive you.
Our receiving corps is actually elite. D-Hop, Worthy, Hollywood Brown (back in a week or 2), Juju (was our WR1 in 22), Watson plus our TEs Kelce and Gray.
Not sure if serious but that’s closer to bang average than elite.
D-Hop: decent but declining
Worthy: awful underlying metrics, no rapport with Mahomes
Hollywood: can’t stay healthy
Juju: can’t stay healthy and hasn’t been good let alone elite since he his days as WR2 to AB because teams were triple covering AB
Watson: yeah no
Gray: no
Kelce: still good but barely elite anymore
Not one elite receiver in that entire list, let alone your entire receiving core.
Make of that what you want to.
Yep, little separation and no tackles will give you a passive offense. Individuals dont matter in this instance and most of these guys are either past it or injured all the time.
Great response! Laugh all you want mate, calling that bunch of guys elite is laughable indeed. They might be a bottom 10 unit in the league.
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I’m sure a while back you were using Chiefs wide receivers as a reason for Mahomes being below average this year? Hopkins has improved it but not enough to call it elite.
2 hall of famers and a TE2 who is on track for 500+ yards who you just say 'no' to. Give your head a wobble.
Why were you saying you’d swap the Bills receiving group for the Chiefs a couple of month ago then
You can’t have it both ways.Also, those hall of famers are 32 and 35. It’s quite an important element. Neither are playing at hall of fame level now.
Show me where I said that..Why were you saying you’d swap the Bills receiving group for the Chiefs a couple of month ago then
Yeah.
The only difference now is Hopkins, but you’ve claimed the chiefs receiving group is worse than the Bills discounting Cooper anyway. Maybe Hollywood will come back and elevate it but I don’t think it’s controversial to label him as “can’t stay healthy”.
Infact, I don’t see anything wrong with @RobinLFC descriptions that warranted laughing emojis and telling someone to give their head a wobble.
No it's not the only difference dude. Way to go back and try and spin something that I said about the then week to week state of our receivers (No D-Hop, Juju and Brown injured) and state falsely that I'd "swap" them for what the Bills had.
The poster in question is as about as disingenuous as you are, which is what warranted the emojis.
Obviously my memory isn’t crystal clear on posts from months ago, so no you didn’t use the word swap, but you did say you thought the Bills receiving group was better at that time. I think most people would swap their teams receiving group with another team, if they thought it was better.
So what is the difference with the Chiefs receiving group from October to now, bar Hopkins, to make it elite?
Disingenuous is claiming you have two hall of fame players, when they’re 32 and 35 and playing nowhere near HoF level now. I’m not trying to be a dick but you can’t go from shitting on the receivers to defend Mahomes earlier in the year to now claiming it’s an elite group. Something in the offense isn’t performing at an elite level for the Chiefs right now, it’s can’t just be Hollywood missing.
I know your Chiefs bias is very strong but if you're doubling down on that, it might be one of your worst takes in here so far.
You said "elite", which is not good, not very good, but best of the best. Basically top 5 in the league or so. So yes, while Noah Gray is a fine TE2 he has no business whatsoever to be included in a list to prove that your receiving options are elite. He adds nothing. Same for Justin Watson and Juju. Hopkins was elite at Houston, and is DEFINITELY not elite more, not even a discussion. Hollywood I guess you could make a case for, but he's been in the league for six years now and has topped 800 yards once (1,008 yards). That was on a run-heavy Ravens team so let's give him the benefit of the doubt (even though he just can't stay healthy). We will not discuss Kelce's greatness but he has clearly taken a step backwards since his best days.
You also don't need that many receiving weapons so it's pointless to include that many names. Elite receivers will garner anywhere between a 25-35% target share so with a few dump-offs and additional targets here and there you're already at your entire passing distribution. So yes, Noah Gray is a fine TE2, never said otherwise, but he only has a complimentary role which dozens of players in the league could execute without too much problems.
Back to my initial point: "elite" should mean in or around top 5 in the league. Because lists that go 8 deep at receiving options are pointless as explained above (for every Justin Watson there's a Jahan Dotson, KJ Osborn, Kendrick Bourne and a hundred other receivers), let's look at the ENTIRE league and compare that to the top 2-3 Chiefs options (probably Hopkins, Kelce and a healthy Hollywood who we haven't even seen with the Chiefs yet). And while you might disagree on some, which is fine, the below will just go to show that your view is completely ridiculous.
NFC North
Jefferson, Addison, Hockenson -- miles clear
DJM, Keenan, Odunze (Kmet) -- way better
Sun God, Jamo, Laporta, Gibbs -- miles clear
Reed, Doubs, Watson, Wicks -- I'd have them over the Chiefs receiving options but you probably won't, that's fine
NFC East
Lamb, Cooks, Ferguson -- probably not but they do have an actual elite, alpha receivers
McLaurin and some others -- no
Nabers and some others -- no
AJB, Smith, Goedert, Barkley -- way better
NFC South
Evans, Godwin, Otton -- better
Panthers -- no
Olave, Shaheed, Kamara - debatable
London, Mooney, Pitts -- way better
NFC West
Kittle, Deebo Aiyuk -- miles better
JSN, Metcalf, Lockett -- way better
MHJ, McBride and someone else -- better
Puka, Kupp and someone else -- way better
AFC North
Chase, Higgins and someone else -- miles better
Browns -- similar imo, great depth, nothing elite
Steelers -- no although Pickens is better than any option the Chiefs have
Ravens -- no although Flowers is better than any option the Chiefs have
AFC East
Wilson, Adams and someone else -- way better
Tyreek, Waddle, Jonnu -- way better
Pats -- no
Bills -- probably not
AFC South
Nico, Diggs, Dell -- miles better
Jags -- no although BTJ is better than any option the Chiefs have
Titans - no
Pittman, Downs and someone else -- probably close but no
AFC West
Chargers - no
Broncos - no
Raiders - no
So even if we give all the debatable in favor of the Chiefs, there are 16 teams with a worse receiving core imo which puts them exactly middle of the pack of the league. Then, even if you disagree, we can also go back to the original claim which is "an elite receiving group", and compare them to the best in the league: the entire NFC North and NFC West shits on the Chiefs from a receiving core perspective and they you still have teams like the Dolphins, Jets, Bengals who currently have way, way better receivers.
And all of the above is disregarding the fact that Kelce, probably your best receiver still, can't do a lot of the stuff that a traditional X receiver does on the perimeter. He's perfect for the Chiefs and has an excellent rapport with Mahomes but there are at least 3 TEs in the league who are currently better receivers than Kelce already (Bowers, McBride, Kittle, while Andrews and LaPorta are debatable).
Your receiving core is bang average if you compare it league wide. Your offense has not scored 30+ points in a game yet this season, up there with other offensive juggernauts like the almighty Pats, Jets, Raiders and Giants (with a combined 10 wins in total for those teams). Isn't that weird with an ELITE receiving core and one of the best QBs of all-time?
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Imagine expecting to have a sincere discussion after having written a smart arse response falsely claiming someone said what they didn't like you did. "Obviously my memory isn't crystal clear" hur hur. End of conversation.
In order to support your statement about Worthy having "awful underlying metrics" you posted a tweet that compares him unfavourably to other rookie WRs in the past. The thing is - the tweet was conveniently written 4 weeks ago and it discounts the 4 games he's just had where he's averaged over 50+ yards per game. You've been and are being totally disingenuous, so no, I'm not reading or responding to that wall of text you've just penned.
Way to concede a point. My pleasure, man. The less you post in this thread the better it'll be.
And before you come back to me when he has a blow-up game: I didn't need to prove that he was a bad player or anything like that. I don't even think he is a bad player. He's just DEFINITELY NOT a player you can include in a list of "elite receiving options".
Very weird and unnecessary hill to die on.
Very weird and unnecessary hill to die on.
the last elite receiver they’ve had was tyreek. and that’s about it.
Rashee Rice is / was on his way to becoming an elite one too imo, especially the way they used him was excellent for his skill set. To be determined how he'll come back after the injury.
But yeah, apart from that it was Tyreek Hill indeed.
So you won’t engage in a discussion because from memory I got the wrong wording about a post from two months ago, even though you’ve still contradicted yourself?
Literally no one in this thread is going to come in and back up your point of the chiefs being an elite receiver group. Tells you all you need to know about this discussion.
If the hill has painted on it in capital letters "WILL NOT ENGAGE IN TEDIOUSLY LONG AND TIME CONSUMING DISCUSSIONS WITH INSINCERE PEOPLE" then yep, I'll go die on that hill. It has a nice view.
I think you know you're plain wrong and are currently refusing to answer my perfectly explained point, but that's okay.
If you truly believe that then that's fine.
Edit: "my perfectly explained point". Christ
Alright, let's get this page back on track...
Who's up for today's double Shit Bowl? - Dallas at Carolina and Jets at Jacksonville
Carolina is favored by -3, think that may be a good money on Dallas, can see them pulling off another road win barring the defense making Bryce Young look competent at QB.
Jets are -3 road favorites but I wouldn't be surprised if they do a Jets thing and choke it.
Who's up for today's double Shit Bowl? - Dallas at Carolina and Jets at Jacksonville
Carolina is favored by -3, think that may be a good money on Dallas, can see them pulling off another road win barring the defense making Bryce Young look competent at QB.
Jets are -3 road favorites but I wouldn't be surprised if they do a Jets thing and choke it.
Life has been so hectic I’ve barely posted much on here, and I’ve come to read a page of shittery about Chiefs WRs ffs
Panthers have actually been quite decent lately, winning two straight and then being competitive in three games against strong competition (and the Chiefs
).
All I'll say is JuJu is fecking rubbish
Bill letting Meyers go to sign him to the same deal was a disgrace.
Bill letting Meyers go to sign him to the same deal was a disgrace.
@dpansheth Joe Thuney in the warm ups is lining up at LT. Mike Caliendo who normally just plays ST is set to play LG.
The chiefs receivers are elite? The Kansas city chiefs? In 2024?