Throwing T-Law in a tier with Mac Jones and Kenny Pickett whilst having Jimmy G and Russell Wilson in the tiers above him is certainly... an interesting opinion.
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Throwing T-Law in a tier with Mac Jones and Kenny Pickett whilst having Jimmy G and Russell Wilson in the tiers above him is certainly... an interesting opinion.
It’s egregious
Very strange list! Omitting Tannehill is weird just to get Will Levis in, even though we all know he's not going to be starting and Tannehill is probably tier 4/5 based on these rankings.
Not sure why the disrespect for T-Law, based on last season he's arguably ahead of everyone not named Mahomes, Allen, Burrow or Herbert at the moment. There isn't 9 better QBs than him in the league let alone in the AFC alone.
Seems like an agenda ranking him so low, doesn't make sense on any level, unless there is an obscure stat they have used or something?
They gotta generate clicks views and discussion in one way or another. No one would be batting an eyelid about this thing if they thought the entire ranking was accurate. Not sure why it has been done at Lawrence's expense though. Ended last season very strongly and got the Jags into the playoffs in his 2nd season, with an inferior supporting cast to Justin Herbert who's never even been in the playoffs.
Imo it should be:
T1 God - Mahomes
T2 Best of the rest - Burrow, Allen
T3 Makes any team a contender - Lamar, Lawrence
T4 Kinda elite - Rodgers, Herbert
T5 Could be great (again) I guess - Watson, Tua, Wilson
That's 10 out of the 16. The others are either meh (Jimmy G, Tannehill) or unproven (Mac, Pickett, Stroud, Richardson).
EDIT: forgot that Herbert was in the playoffs last season.
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Kyle is not as sharp as the other (unrelated?) Brandts such as Andrew, who is a good Twitter follow.
Lawrence above Rodgers is a bit hasty
Bump Lamar down a.notch. The league has recently found out how to defend against him which makes his running less effective and he’s never been a great passer, both of which make him lose value. If he was a terrific passer then it may be different.
Depends. If you only look at last season, it’s fair.
Rodgers last season threw for less yards on less attempts with a lower completion %, as much TDs as Lawrence, but more INTs, and a worse passer rating. If you look at the last 9 games (during which Jacksonville went 7-2), Lawrence completed 70% of his passes with a 15-2 TD:INT ratio.
If I wanted a QB for my franchise now, it'd be Lawrence over Rodgers by a mile because of their age. If I wanted one to win in 2023 I'd still take Lawrence, but it would be close.
I disagree, but I understand I have him a lot higher than most. I think he's a better QB than Hurts.
Where is Hurts on your list ? He had one of the best ratings in the league last year and led his team to the Super Bowl.
You are carefully ignoring the fact that Rodgers played with a broken thumb since Week 5.
Obviously you'd choose Lawrence over Rodgers in franchise terms. But your ranking was for next season. Choosing Lawrence over Rodgers in that instance, with Super Bowl aspirations, is ludicrous.
I think Lawrence will go on to do great things. But right now you have to remember that he's had one good season and one very poor rookie season (with some caveats). No-one in their right mind would be pinning their playoff hopes to a guy with so little to go on. Especially when it is between him and a guy who has won 2 out of the last 3 MVP awards for christ sake.
It's an AFC list so he's nowhere. If he'd be in the AFC he'd be in the Lamar-Lawrence tier for me, Burrow and Allen are better imo.
It's not ludicrous mate, at all. Fine if you disagree, but don't act like it matters anymore going into 2023 that Rodgers took home an MVP in 2020. That's ages ago in NFL terms and he didn't even come close to that form last season. A steep drop-off is certainly on the cards given his age.
Also my rankings weren't necessarily going into next season.
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I'm not as high on Herbert as others, I would have him a half-tier below Allen and Burrow, but I'd still have him above Lamar and Lawrence.
Same groupings for me but T3/T4 would swap.
T1 God - Mahomes
T2 Best of the rest - Burrow, Allen
T3 Kinda elite - Rodgers, Herbert
T4 Makes any team a contender - Lamar, Lawrence
T5 Could be great (again) I guess - Watson, Tua, Wilson
Where do you think the NFC QB's fit into this out of interest?
Personally I don't think they have any QBs in the first 3 tiers in this system for me. Would put both Hurts and Dak in T4 at the moment. Kyler and Stafford either sneak in here or high T5.
Yeah the NFC is rough right now for QBs
I'd have Hurts alongside Lamar and Lawrence, rather have him than Rodgers or Herbert in my team but depends on the offensive scheme I guess, he wouldn't fit any offense.but suits the Eagles to a tee right now.Presumably they were though no? Your tier names make it sounds as though it was for next season.
Just for shits and giggles, here's my whole rankings. Would be interested to see how other people stack up the starters going into this season!
T1 God Tier - Mahomes
T2 Elite - Allen, Burrow
T3 Borderline Elite - Herbert, Rodgers
T4 Contender Level - Lamar, Hurts, Dak, T-Law
T5 Borderline Contenter - Kyler, Stafford, Tua, Russ, Watson
T6 High-level Stop-Gap - Tannehill, Carr, Cousins, Goff, Jimmy G, Geno
T7 Serviceable Starter - Danny Dimes, Mac Jones, Fields, Brissett, Purdy
T8 Below-Par Starter - Baker, Pickett
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T9 Unknown Level - Bryce Young, Stroud, Richardson, Love, Ridder
Have put Brissett and Purdy as starters but if Howell and Lance these would both go in T9.
T3 is the level where I think any QBs here and above can elevate an above average roster to a SB contender.
T4 the level where if the rest of the roster is good they can compete.
T5 guys have the potential to be the above, but could also full short of this, probably the place where you should really explore getting one of the above if the opportunity presents itself (or reset with a rookie if you are paying one of these guys top 10 money).
T6 and below you should be thinking about upgrading long-term (caveat that a couple of these guys like Fields could turn into T4/T5 guys but still a lot to prove).
T1 God Tier - Mahomes
T2 Elite - Allen, Burrow
T3 Borderline Elite - Herbert, Rodgers
T4 Contender Level - Lamar, Hurts, Dak, T-Law
T5 Borderline Contenter - Kyler, Stafford, Tua, Russ, Watson
T6 High-level Stop-Gap - Tannehill, Carr, Cousins, Goff, Jimmy G, Geno
T7 Serviceable Starter - Danny Dimes, Mac Jones, Fields, Brissett, Purdy
T8 Below-Par Starter - Baker, Pickett
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T9 Unknown Level - Bryce Young, Stroud, Richardson, Love, Ridder
Have put Brissett and Purdy as starters but if Howell and Lance these would both go in T9.
T3 is the level where I think any QBs here and above can elevate an above average roster to a SB contender.
T4 the level where if the rest of the roster is good they can compete.
T5 guys have the potential to be the above, but could also full short of this, probably the place where you should really explore getting one of the above if the opportunity presents itself (or reset with a rookie if you are paying one of these guys top 10 money).
T6 and below you should be thinking about upgrading long-term (caveat that a couple of these guys like Fields could turn into T4/T5 guys but still a lot to prove).
Yeah that seems very fair @DannyCAFC, good ranking.
I think I am indeed underestimating Rodgers compared to consensus then but I'm riding the Lawrence > Rodgers wave into the season in that case. I think he'll continue on his 2022 level at best and won't get back to his MVP levels.
I think I am indeed underestimating Rodgers compared to consensus then but I'm riding the Lawrence > Rodgers wave into the season in that case. I think he'll continue on his 2022 level at best and won't get back to his MVP levels.
Of the AFC lists I’m probably largely aligned to this one. However I would probably swap Lamar and Herbert.
Good all-around list.
Again I would swap Lamar and Herbert as above.
Maybe I’m harsh but Dak is somewhere in the wilderness between T4 and 5 for me. Not good enough for that T4 bucket IMO, but not as bad as T5.
Have we ever had such a disparity between conferences in terms of QB play
That's a pretty solid list. If we were to factor in how effective a QB is in getting their teams deep into the playoffs and competing for SBs, then I would put Hurts into the next level up and Purdy three levels up.
Been watching the NFL more over the past couple of years, still absolutely clueless about how players contracts work and who holds the power when a player is in and out of contract.
What I've been wondering about is, and it's interesting when talking about the disparity in quality between the QB's in the AFC and NFC, could a QB in the AFC (Herbert for example) take a view and look for a move to an NFC team as it would potentially give him a better chance of making Superbowls. Or is this really difficult for him to do?
What I've been wondering about is, and it's interesting when talking about the disparity in quality between the QB's in the AFC and NFC, could a QB in the AFC (Herbert for example) take a view and look for a move to an NFC team as it would potentially give him a better chance of making Superbowls. Or is this really difficult for him to do?
QB wasn't quite the kingmaker position it is now and there were great HCs involved, but the NFC won the SB for over a decade straight under Cool Joe Montana, Steve Young, Troy Aikman, Brett Favre, and others before Elway kicked their duck (or whatever that British phrase is) in '98.
Since he was a first-round pick, the Chargers have a right to sign him to a fifth year - which they did last week. So he's under contract for the first five years of his career (up until 2024) and can still be franchise tagged once (or twice or thrice, but unlikely) if they can't work out a long-term deal. So basically the Chargers have him "under control" for up to 7 years if they want to.
So yeah he "could" switch to the NFC but he'd need to put in a trade request, otherwise it's for the 2025 at best.
Players don't have a lot of power. Their leverage is holding out, but the recent collective bargaining agreement made that even more painful for them. They stand to lose tens of millions of dollars.
It's even more unfair for RBs with shorter shelf lives. They should be allowed to negotiate a new contract sooner after their rookie deal, but I don't think the owners care enough for there to be any momentum behind that.
It’s actually bonkers.
Poor Jim Kelly
If I was Herbert I'd try and get out of the AFC West next year and go to an NFC team. He's going to get paid whether he stays or goes and he's in a division and conference which is so stacked against him.
Yes - from the mid 80s to late 90s. Mainly due to the 49er and Cowboys dynasties during both periods.
Ma man.
But there were some stud AFC QBs in those years - Elway dragged three bang average Broncos sides to eventual SB blowout losses, Kelly was an awesome QB, and Marino's teams always choked in the playoffs (he gets blame too). And recall the likes of Esiason and Kosar were pretty good for a couple seasons in the late 80s. By the mid-90s it was bus drivers like Humphries and O'Donnell getting past those top tier AFC guys until Bledsoe showed up, considered by some the next all-time great and I recall some thinking he was the modern day Fouts or Marino. Finally, Elway got a bonafide stud RB and less nuts head coach and got the AFC over the hump after 13 straight defeats in the big game.
The NFC also had some unheralded guys during that period. Hostetler, Rypien, Doug Williams, McMahon etc.
Oh, yeah...Marino really weakens my argument. Not arsed about Boomer or Kosar but Warren Moon should be mentioned as he had one of the best arms of any era.
We re-signed McKinnon which is such good news. He's not only a decentish RB but is one of the best blockers on the team. Had to effectively play LT during the first half of last year when Brown Jr was getting destroyed in every game.
Shocked myself by forgetting Moon but perhaps because he and his team always choked in January and probably doesn't get enough recognition.
Moon was awesome - even before his NFL career he was successful in the CFL.
Anybody got any NFL book suggestions? Just read Steve Young’s memoir and enjoyed that. I’ve read John Feinsteins Next Man Up and a few of the Patriots books, too.
league of denial