NFL 2016/17

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rpitroda said:
:lol: we will agree to disagree then. He's not MVP hands down though, that much is obvious.
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I'll have to agree. Not a chance Rodgers is a clear MVP. The more I think about it, the more I think it should fall to Ryan.
 
muller said:
I'll have to agree. Not a chance Rodgers is a clear MVP. The more I think about it, the more I think it should fall to Ryan.
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I think the point overall is that there is no clear hands down MVP or front runner. There are 4 or so candidates who have plus and negatives, who are broadly fairly equal.

Anyone who says someone is comfortably or by far or hands down the leader of the pack is just wrong.
 
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The next person to remove from the list is tougher. Brady's candidacy is hardly anything surprising, but he has the most obvious flaw to overcome, having missed a full quarter of the season thanks to his suspension. As a result, he's way behind in terms of volume; Rodgers has thrown 178 more passes than Brady and produced 874 additional yards along with 12 more touchdowns. Brady is even further behind Ryan, who has 1,390 additional passing yards and 10 more touchdowns.

Instead, the argument for Brady has to revolve around the idea that he's been better on a snap-by-snap basis than the other quarterbacks. It's true that he has protected the football, throwing 28 touchdowns and just two picks, the best touchdown-interception ratio in league history, but that stat seems less impressive when you remember Brady is breaking a record held by Nick Foles. Brady's 0.5 percent interception rate is also great, but the difference between his interception total and that of Rodgers (seven) over a 610-pass season is four picks. Is that really enough to make up the gap between Brady and the, um, bunch?

Pro-football-reference.com found that the "value" of a typical interception in terms of field position is about 45 yards and built a formula called adjusted yards per attempt (AY/A) to account for that figure. The value of a passing touchdown by this same measure is 20 yards. After filling in those values, Rodgers' typical pass has been worth an average of 8.1 AY/A. Brady is well ahead of him, at 9.3 AY/A. And Ryan is lapping them both, at 10.1 AY/A.

To be honest, this is where it gets hard to build suspense for the MVP vote. I don't really see a strong argument for either of the other quarterbacks to win over Ryan. Ryan has been more effective than Brady on a per-play basis by every metric besides interception rate and has done so while throwing 102 more pass attempts. Ryan also has played the league's toughest schedule of opposing defenses. Patriots fans may want to cling to the game-losing pick-two Ryan threw against the Chiefs, but there's more to quarterback play than avoiding interceptions. Brady has been brilliant, but Ryan has been more efficient, even while Julio Jones was on the sideline.

As for Rodgers, while there may be voters who see the future Hall of Famer putting the Packers on his back with his "run the table" comment and subsequent brilliant form, Ryan has been every bit as good over the same time frame. The Packers started their six-game winning streak that gave them the NFC North title in Week 12. Atlanta went 5-1 over that same stretch. Here's how Ryan and Rodgers performed over that span:

The "Run The Table" Stretch
PLAYER CMP ATT CMP% YDS Y/ATT TD INT AY/A PSRRT QBR
Ryan 137 188 72.9% 1697 9.0 14 2 10.0 120.8 87.5
Rodgers 142 200 71.0% 1667 8.3 15 0 9.8 121.0 83.1

Ryan doesn't have the sexy 15-0 touchdown-interception ratio, but he has matched Rodgers stride for stride by creating more big plays on offense. And over the first 11 weeks of the season, Ryan blew Rodgers away:

The First 11 Weeks
PLAYER CMP ATT CMP% YDS Y/ATT TD INT AY/A PSRRT QBR
Ryan 236 346 68.2% 3247 9.4 24 5 10.1 115.1 80.9
Rodgers 259 410 63.2% 2761 6.7 25 7 7.2 96.0 73.5

As I wrote in December, the Falcons quietly have one of the best offenses in recent memory, including what is likely the best first-down offense in NFL history. Nobody in the league has been better at getting chunks of yardage than Ryan, who has enjoyed playing behind the only line in football to make all 80 starts uninterrupted this season. The voters may fall for two of the game's biggest icons, but the evidence -- all apologies to the Cowboys' offensive line -- suggests that Ryan is the clear choice for 2016 MVP. I'll throw Rodgers a trophy for his furious end to the campaign.

Offensive Player of the Year winner: Aaron Rodgers

Most Valuable Player winner: Matt Ryan
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Hard to disagree with this from ESPN.
 
Offensive POTY should go to Zeke, Bell or Johnson imo. Now it just looks like it's a consolidation trophy for an MVP candidate.

Agree with the rest of that post though, valid comparisons and some good arguments in general.
 
RobinLFC said:
Offensive POTY should go to Zeke, Bell or Johnson imo. Now it just looks like it's a consolidation trophy for an MVP candidate.

Agree with the rest of that post though, valid comparisons and some good arguments in general.
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Rado_N said:
Hard to disagree with this from ESPN.
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Likewise - agree with the analysis on that ESPN post, but don't think Rodgers get OPOY. I see it like this:

- Offensive Rookie - Zeke
- Offensive Player - Johnson
- MVP - Ryan
 
Rado_N said:
Why do Patriots fans downplay the quality of the rest of their team to big up Brady?
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I think its because every other fan downplays Brady by bigging up his supporting cast
 
RobinLFC said:
Offensive POTY should go to Zeke, Bell or Johnson imo. Now it just looks like it's a consolidation trophy for an MVP candidate.

Agree with the rest of that post though, valid comparisons and some good arguments in general.
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rpitroda said:
Likewise - agree with the analysis on that ESPN post, but don't think Rodgers get OPOY. I see it like this:

- Offensive Rookie - Zeke
- Offensive Player - Johnson
- MVP - Ryan
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Both fair points, but I can see both sides of the argument re offensive player tbh.

The rest of that ESPN article is worth a read if you're interested, he covers all the award - http://www.espn.co.uk/nfl/story/_/p...ding-nfl-awards-2016-comeback-player-year-mvp

JJ12 said:
I think its because every other fan downplays Brady by bigging up his supporting cast
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Not really.
 
JJ12 said:
Considering you're a broncos fan and I'm a Patriots fan it's fair to say ive encountered the debates more than you. You may not do it yourself but it definitely happens.
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Oh I'm sure it does, but I was just saying it's something (the downplaying of others) that I see a lot even completely unprompted.
 
Rado_N said:
Oh I'm sure it does, but I was just saying it's something (the downplaying of others) that I see a lot even completely unprompted.
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Ahh right. Yeah I'm sure that happens too :lol:

In terms of play-offs I can't help but thing this is going to end up the worst way possible for me - Packers win and Rogers MVP.
 
So apparently Tannehill isn't being ruled out by Miami for the game this weekend. I hope they don't play him & ruin his career long-term. Even with him, I don't think they have much of a chance in Pittsburgh & the backup isn't the worst QB in the world.
 
Rodgers should be MVP. You can run all the numbers you want, it's an eye test for me. They're playing some random guy at RB for feck's sake.
 
Brad Kaaya announced he is entering the NFL Draft a year early. Would be a great 2nd or 3rd round pick by Denver, Arizona, Jacksonville, or Buffalo. I'd add Cleveland as well but they are likely to have a close look at Trubisky.
 
Didn't realize there was an nfl thread in the forum.. nice! Going to keep an eye on this thread.

Oh and Go Pats!! :D
 
Raoul said:
Brad Kaaya announced he is entering the NFL Draft a year early. Would be a great 2nd or 3rd round pick by Denver, Arizona, Jacksonville, or Buffalo. I'd add Cleveland as well but they are likely to have a close look at Trubisky.
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What's the thinking on Trubisky vs Watson? I thought earlier in the year, Watson was pretty much nailed on to be the top QB entering the draft?
 
Sid234 said:
Didn't realize there was an nfl thread in the forum.. nice! Going to keep an eye on this thread.

Oh and Go Pats!! :D
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I agree with this sentiment

Go Pats the drive for five is on

That being said the NFC side of the playoffs should bring about some great games
 
Cooksen said:
I agree with this sentiment

Go Pats the drive for five is on

That being said the NFC side of the playoffs should bring about some great games
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Packers v Giants and Raiders v Texans are the two games I'm looking forward to. Sucks that Carr went down with the injury, they looked like the team to beat before that. Now our biggest challenge is going to be either the steelers or the chiefs

Detroit aren't going to get far vs Seattle, similarly the phins are going to need a huge performance to beat Big Ben
 
Sid234 said:
Packers v Giants and Raiders v Texans are the two games I'm looking forward to. Sucks that Carr went down with the injury, they looked like the team to beat before that. Now our biggest challenge is going to be either the steelers or the chiefs

Detroit aren't going to get far vs Seattle, similarly the phins are going to need a huge performance to beat Big Ben
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In the AFC i agree.

I just dont want the Giants beating the pats for a 3rd time in superbowls
 
Not that it will matter much but is Tannehill playing vs Steelers?
 
JJ12 said:
Not that it will matter much but is Tannehill playing vs Steelers?
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It's unclear. Didn't practice yesterday and looking at his locker post practice signs were he wasn't going to again today.
 
JJ12 said:
Not that it will matter much but is Tannehill playing vs Steelers?
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I hope not for his sake. There's no need to rush him back for a game which they'll most likely lose anyway. Plus, the backup QB isn't the worst option.
 
rpitroda said:
I better be included in that some :(
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I think all the lads in here are great tbh, there's no animosity and just a good bit of friendly joking between fans of different teams.

There was one very touchy person but he seems to have departed.
 
Rado_N said:
I think all the lads in here are great tbh, there's no animosity and just a good bit of friendly joking between fans of different teams.

There was one very touchy person but he seems to have departed.
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Shut up you stupid horsey fan! :angel:
 
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