NFL 2016/17

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The odds for the MVP are insane, Zeke(with partial split vote) 3/1, Brady 3/1, Ryan 3/1, Rodgers 4/1. LOL.
 
I think Ryan gets the MVP with Falcons finishing the season strongly.

Tough to call though. Can make a case for all of them to deserve it.
 
There really needs to be more recognition for offensive players other than the QBs.

Not taking anything away from the QBs themselves, but there should be more WRs and RBs in consideration.
 
Rado_N said:
There really needs to be more recognition for offensive players other than the QBs.

Not taking anything away from the QBs themselves, but there should be more WRs and RBs in consideration.
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Which WR deserves to be in the conversation this year though? No player went over 1,500 yards and the top WRs (Jones, Beckham, Brown, AJ Green, ...) just didn't do enough to be considered.

As for RBs, only Zeke and Bell deserve a mention imo. But Zeke gets hampered by his great Oline and an equally as impressive rookie QB, while Bell missed the first three games of the season and gets to play alongside the best WR in the game and a HOF QB, the Steelers offense as a whole was just great especially in the second half of the season. Johnson doesn't deserve to be in the conversation for me because the whole Cardinals offense went through him and his team ended with a losing record. Of course you can't do it all but for me, the MVP should be someone who really made the difference for his team this season, so Ryan would get my vote.
 
Fair point re WRs not really standing out this year, but I disagree on Johnson, he's been brilliant and definitely deserves to be in contention, as does Bell.
 
The Cardinals went backwards and well below expectations, juicy stats alone don't justify the MVP. Carson deserved it far more last year for instance. Fantasy MVP for sure, which in turn means offensive MVP.

Comeback is clearly Jordy, Rookie is clearly Zeke, Offensive is likely Johnson as he'll have no votes for MVP, MVP is wide open.
 
entropy said:
Their defense has been good off late. Not so sure about their offense though.
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Could say the opposite about the Packers (bad defense/good offense). The secondary has been decimated by injury - Randall has a knee issue and Rollins will be out for a while.
 
They're making this linesman out to be Judas for a decision that won't ultimately matter.

Edit: What thread is this...?
 
I disagree on Johnson as well, had a huge season

Rushed for 1239 yards and 16 TDs
Received for 879 and 4

That's an impressive season right there

Ryan for me, agree with the 123 of Ryan, Brady, Rodgers
 
Play-Off Predictions??

Saturday
Oakland at Houston (9.35pm I think)
Detroit at Seattle (1.15am I think)

Sunday
Miami at Pittsburgh (6.05pm)
Giants at Packers (9.40pm)
 
EdWeatherall said:
I disagree on Johnson as well, had a huge season

Rushed for 1239 yards and 16 TDs
Received for 879 and 4

That's an impressive season right there

Ryan for me, agree with the 123 of Ryan, Brady, Rodgers
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Yeah but what does he have to show for it? His team went from arguably the favourite to win the NFC with a 13-3 record to a losing record of 7-8-1 in a division with two of the worst teams in the NFL. His stats did improve, which was to be expected after last season, but I wouldn't say he was particularly valuable for them. If anything, the Cards had a more balanced and spread out offense yesterday after he went down.

Playoff prediction:

WILDCARD ROUND
Oakland @ Houston
Detroit @ Seattle
Miami @ Pittsburgh
Giants @ Green Bay

DIVISIONAL ROUND
Houston @ New England
Pittsburgh @ Kansas City
Giants @ Cowboys
Seattle @ Atlanta

CHAMPIONSHIP ROUND
Kansas City @ New England
Giants @ Atlanta

SUPER BOWL LI
Giants vs New England
 
EdWeatherall said:
Play-Off Predictions??

Saturday
Oakland at Houston (9.35pm I think)
Detroit at Seattle (1.15am I think)

Sunday
Miami at Pittsburgh (6.05pm)
Giants at Packers (9.40pm)
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Raiders
Seattle
Steelers
Packers
 
RobinLFC said:
Yeah but what does he have to show for it? His team went from arguably the favourite to win the NFC with a 13-3 record to a losing record of 7-8-1 in a division with two of the worst teams in the NFL. His stats did improve, which was to be expected after last season, but I wouldn't say he was particularly valuable for them. If anything, the Cards had a more balanced and spread out offense yesterday after he went down.
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Never stopped JJ Watt being in consideration, his Texans never really did a lot either
 
EdWeatherall said:
Never stopped JJ Watt being in consideration, his Texans never really did a lot either
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He was one of the big reasons why we got into the playoffs, contrary to Johnson's Cardinals, but I agree that JJ shouldn't have been in the MVP conversation either, yeah.
 
RobinLFC said:
Yeah but what does he have to show for it? His team went from arguably the favourite to win the NFC with a 13-3 record to a losing record of 7-8-1 in a division with two of the worst teams in the NFL. His stats did improve, which was to be expected after last season, but I wouldn't say he was particularly valuable for them. If anything, the Cards had a more balanced and spread out offense yesterday after he went down.

Playoff prediction:

WILDCARD ROUND
Oakland @ Houston
Detroit @ Seattle
Miami @ Pittsburgh
Giants @ Green Bay

DIVISIONAL ROUND
Houston @ New England
Pittsburgh @ Kansas City
Giants @ Cowboys
Seattle @ Atlanta

CHAMPIONSHIP ROUND
Kansas City @ New England
Giants @ Atlanta

SUPER BOWL LI
Giants vs New England
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Bugger off Robin!
 
WILDCARD ROUND
Oakland @ Houston
Detroit @ Seattle
Miami @ Pittsburgh
Giants @ Green Bay

DIVISIONAL ROUND
Oakland @ New England
Pittsburgh @ Kansas City
Green Bay @ Cowboys
Seattle @ Atlanta

CHAMPIONSHIP ROUND
Pittsburgh @ New England
Green Bay @ Seattle

SUPER BOWL LI
Green Bay vs Pittsburgh
 
WILDCARD
Oakland @ Houston
Detroit @ Seattle
Miami @ Pittsburgh
Giants @ Green Bay

DIVISIONAL
Houston @ New England
Pittsburgh @ Kansas City
Green Bay @ Cowboys
Seattle @ Atlanta

AFC CONFERENCE CHAMPIONSHIP
Kansas City @ New England

NFC CONFERENCE CHAMPIONSHIP
SEATTLE @ DALLAS

SUPER BOWL LI
DALLAS vs NEW ENGLAND​



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Wildcard Weekend

AFC
Miami @ Pittsburgh
Oakland @ Houston

NFC
New York @ Green Bay
Detroit @ Seattle

Divisional Weekend

AFC
Oakland @ New England
Pittsburgh @ Kansas

NFC
New York @ Dallas
Detroit @ Atlanta

Championship Weekend

AFC
Kansas @ New England

NFC
Atlanta @ Dallas

Super Bowl 51

New England vs Atlanta

 
As for MVP I'm probably the only one who thinks this but I just don't think Rodgers should be in contention.

For me, it has to be Ryan or Brady.

Why not Rodgers? Well, he's getting lots of praise, and rightly so, for running the board and winning out to make the playoffs. He's done brilliantly. But we can't ignore that it was partly his poor play in the first half of the year which put them in that position in the first place.

Common excuse is they had a bad defence. Fair enough, but then that actually counts against him. Ryan has had a worse defence for the entire year.
 
Here's my question, why Brady?

I'll get lynched on here by some for daring to say it. I'd love to hear the arguments why Brady deserves it. He hasn't even been the best QB this season IMO.
 
JP77 said:
Here's my question, why Brady?

I'll get lynched on here by some for daring to say it. I'd love to hear the arguments why Brady deserves it. He hasn't even been the best QB this season IMO.
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Perfect away record, 28-2 TD-int ratio. Commanded the team with an inexperienced O line. Lost Gronk and Dola and didn't break stride.

Not going to lynch you, I'm biased for him of course, and he's having an incredible year.
 
muller said:
Perfect away record, 28-2 TD-int ratio. Commanded the team with an inexperienced O line. Lost Gronk and Dola and didn't break stride.

Not going to lynch you, I'm biased for him of course, and he's having an incredible year.
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Wouldn't deny he's had a great year but for me none of that puts him ahead of the likes of Ryan, who isn't playing under a coach that's debated as the greatest in the history of the game like Brady with as good of a system. I'd get it if Brady was number one in every stat and had blitzed his competition but he hasn't. He's missed 4 games (in which the Pats actually went 3-1 and looked good) and doesn't top any of the numbers bar the interception stat you mentioned. I can't see how you can have him ahead of a Matt Ryan just as an example based on this season (and I think there's others ahead of Brady too, I've already mentioned Bell who missed a similar amount of games as Brady and returned to be arguably as important to his team while putting up great numbers).
 
JP77 said:
Wouldn't deny he's had a great year but for me none of that puts him ahead of the likes of Ryan, who isn't playing under a coach that's debated as the greatest in the history of the game like Brady with as good of a system. I'd get it if Brady was number one in every stat and had blitzed his competition but he hasn't. He's missed 4 games (in which the Pats actually went 3-1 and looked good) and doesn't top any of the numbers bar the interception stat you mentioned. I can't see how you can have him ahead of a Matt Ryan just as an example based on this season (and I think there's others ahead of Brady too, I've already mentioned Bell who missed a similar amount of games as Brady and returned to be arguably as important to his team while putting up great numbers).
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I personally don't think Brady should get it but I disagree that there's many above him. 3.5k yards in 12 games with 28 TDs and 2 INTs is pretty damn good if not amazing. Remember it's not like Rodgers or Ryan who get most of the TDs in their respective teams. Brady has Blount who has, what, 17 TDs? Remember that's less in Brady's column too.

Add to that Ryan has good backs to support him and unbelievable WRs. Brady lost his best weapon. Rodgers has a great O-line. Brady works with a young inexperienced bunch.

You mention how Brady has a great coach behind him but then choose to ignore that Ryan has Julio jones for example. And you're significantly underestimating what Brady does. In my view you're fooled by how easy he makes it look. If you think Brady finding open guys easily is just down to scheme you're wrong. Brady can almost always get to his first read because he has read the defence before the ball is snapped. Just watch him pre snap and you'll see.

Anyway, this post will seem heavily in favour of Brady just because I'm trying to explain to you why I think he should be in contention. The only thing that in my view stops him getting it is the fact he missed 4 games. If he played them at his current pace he would be top 5 in every QB stat if not top in some. Like I said, I don't think he should get it and I think ryan should get it. But it's not so black and white in my view.
 
rpitroda said:
Common excuse is they had a bad defence. Fair enough, but then that actually counts against him. Ryan has had a worse defence for the entire year.
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Hes doing it with no running game. Took him a game or two to find his stride, but then he's the best QB out there now. He should be rated above Brady and Ryan. Nearly a one man team dragging GB to playoffs.
 
JP77 said:
Here's my question, why Brady?

I'll get lynched on here by some for daring to say it. I'd love to hear the arguments why Brady deserves it. He hasn't even been the best QB this season IMO.
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Brady's absolutely been the best QB this year, comfortably. The only thing going against him is that he missed four games.
 
It is interesting how Zeke has kind of dropped out of the discussion a bit. Seems it will be a QB who wins it - I'm going for Ryan as I think the 4 games will count against Brady. Don't think he cares too much about being MVP. It's SB or nothing for him. The AFC is there to be won & it'll be a massive disappointment if we don't make the SB at least.

The hooded one should be coach of the year (is there a thing?) Best record in the NFL, including 3-1 without Brady, traded 2 of the best defenders on the team but still that D played well (better than I expected) & another AFC title. Plus the acquisition of Floyd could be another masterstroke.
 
Kazi said:
Brady's absolutely been the best QB this year, comfortably. The only thing going against him is that he missed four games.
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Based on what exactly? You'll need an incredible argument to convince me that Brady is COMFORTABLY the best QB this year considering close to no numbers back that statement up.
 
backofthenet said:
True enough, but I think they're a better side than the Texans
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It's a hard one, Texans are a bit of a train wreck at times, but it all depends if their D turn up. To me, I just watch the end of the Oakland game and felt sad for them - depends how much they can muster up in the coming week in terms of enthusiasm and self confidence.
 
muller said:
It's a hard one, Texans are a bit of a train wreck at times, but it all depends if their D turn up. To me, I just watch the end of the Oakland game and felt sad for them - depends how much they can muster up in the coming week in terms of enthusiasm and self confidence.
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Oakland has a quality Oline but our pass rush has been outstanding this season, so a lot will depend on who comes out on top of that battle. If we can consequently harass their third string QB (or will McGloin be fit?), we should be able to pressure him into mistakes and our secondary has been very good as well.

Will be an interesting game but we couldn't have asked for a better chance to proceed to the next round tbh, so no excuses.
 
RobinLFC said:
Oakland has a quality Oline but our pass rush has been outstanding this season, so a lot will depend on who comes out on top of that battle. If we can consequently harass their third string QB (or will McGloin be fit?), we should be able to pressure him into mistakes and our secondary has been very good as well.

Will be an interesting game but we couldn't have asked for a better chance to proceed to the next round tbh, so no excuses.
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Think they're hopeful on McGloin? Like you say, no excuses for you guys but anything can happen - only takes 1 missed coverage etc.
 
Wildcard Weekend

AFC
Miami @ Pittsburgh
Oakland @ Houston

NFC
New York @ Green Bay
Detroit @ Seattle

Divisional Weekend

AFC
Oakland @ New England
Pittsburgh @ Kansas

NFC
Detroit @ Dallas
Green Bay @ Atlanta

Championship Weekend

AFC
Kansas @ New England

NFC
Green Bay @ Dallas

Super Bowl 51

New England vs Green Bay

NFC
Green Bay @ Dallas

Super Bowl 51

Dallas vs New England
 
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