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Those texts about Brady are great. And true.

I've read a lot of the circumstantial evidence, looks pretty guilty to me. Other boards saying he shouldn't be allowed in the hall of fame as it's his second time, or something.

Edit - Comes out right after the draft too, hmmm.
 
Where's the 3-month investigation and 200-page report into woman and child abusers in the league, eh!? Eh?
 
De Selby said:
Where's the 3-month investigation and 200-page report into woman and child abusers in the league, eh!? Eh?
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There aren't enough workers in America based on what I've seen in my time being a fan.
 
They still would've trashed those Colts with regular balls, i love Tom Brady but cheating is unacceptable.
 
Anyway, there is a 100 page appendix and a bunch of David Foster Wallace -esque footnotes so I'm done now.


Under the Policy, the “standard of proof required to find that a violation of the competitive rules has occurred” is a “Preponderance of the Evidence,” meaning that “as a whole, the fact sought to be proved is more probable than not.”


So don't get hung up on the "more probable than not". That's just what they are required to say but what they mean is that there is a preponderance of evidence. And preponderance of evidence is a legal burden of proof in the United States for most civil cases.




Here is the money quote though:


"a contrary conclusion requires the acceptance of an implausible number of communications and events as benign coincidences"
 
McNally's the villain in all this. That's the line the Pats should go with now.

Defame his ass.
 
This rules him out of the GOAT debate for sure, but how much damage does it do to his legacy though? still one of the greats.
 
Does the report say if Belichick knew what was happening?
 
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:lol: the guy later admitted he was lying and it was just a random ball he got brady to sign...to impress his mom?
 
christy87 said:
What is the punishment likely to be? Banned from the play offs, a fine, loss of draft picks or something like the coaches being banned for a year like NO.
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A lot of people this morning saying it should be a fine and a 4 game suspension for Brady. Personally I reckon that could be the most likely form of punishment. But who knows what they will ultimately decide.
 
It gets better, the company hired to do the research for the report (Exponent) is a company which has a reputation for reaching questionable conclusions based on their allegiances and their "scientific research" has come under fire in the past and has got a lot of criticism from legal buffs, scientists and academics. In fact apparently its the research company that defended tobacco corporations and claimed their "research" led them to the conclusion that secondhand smoke does not lead to cancer (now this is the claim but Im trying to find actual evidence of them saying that)

Edit: So the claim that they are the company that carried out the research which said that secondhand smoke does not cause cancer is being backed up by a cardiologist at UC San Francisco who has pages of the tobacco report itself

http://articles.latimes.com/2010/feb/18/business/la-fi-toyota-exponent18-2010feb18

http://boston.cbslocal.com/2015/05/...m-that-denied-secondhand-smoke-causes-cancer/

Exponent is basically a "research" company which tends to favour the corporations. Now this could be people trying to mix up the pot a bit. However they have had a questionable reputation for years apparently, long before any of this happened.
 
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Jimmy G starts the first 4 games next season, tears it up, then Brady's traded at the end of the year to the 49ers.

Chalk it down.
 
"There's only one thing you can deflate: deez nuts."

- Robert James Gronkowski, 06/05/2015
 
gormless said:
No way can somebody be suspended without any actual evidence. "Generally aware," won't cut it
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Well that's what I would think too. At most they will hit them with a fine maybe? Suspension would be taking it a step too far.
 
iSparky said:
Well that's what I would think too. At most they will hit them with a fine maybe? Suspension would be taking it a step too far.
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No idea what will happen to be honest. The NFL is so powerful and controlling they pretty much have free reign to do whatever. I was just thinking logically with no hard evidence you can't suspend somebody.

The main thing this has taught me is that I hope my texts about co workers are never exposed to the public
 
gormless said:
No way can somebody be suspended without any actual evidence. "Generally aware," won't cut it
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Yes it will. It's quite clear that Brady was in on it. There was never going to be a smoking gun but as the report said, acceptance of any other explanation requires an implausible number of coincidences.
 
Tom Brady's agent has released his statement now.

"The Wells report, with all due respect, is a significant and terrible disappointment. It’s omission of key facts and lines of inquiry suggest the investigators reached a conclusion first, and then determined so-called facts later. One item alone taints this entire report.

What does it say about the league office’s protocols and ethics when it allows one team to tip it off to an issue prior to a championship game, and no league officials or game officials notified the Patriots of the same issue prior to the game? This suggests it may be more probable than not that the league cooperated with the Colts in perpetrating a sting operation. The Wells report buries this issue in a footnote on page 46 without any further elaboration.

The league is a significant client of the investigators' law firm; it appears to be a rich source of billings and media exposure based on content in the law firm's website. This was not an independent investigation and the contents of the report bear that out – all one has to do is read closely and critically, as opposed to simply reading headlines.

The investigators' assumptions and inferences are easily debunked or subject to multiple interpretations. Much of the report’s vulnerabilities are buried in the footnotes, which is a common legal writing tactic. It is a sad day for the league as it has abdicated the resolution of football-specific issues to people who don’t understand the context or culture of the sport. I was physically present for my client’s interview. I have verbatim notes of the interview.

Tom made himself available for nearly an entire day and patiently answered every question. It was clear to me the investigators had limited understanding of professional football. For reasons unknown, the Wells report omitted nearly all of Tom’s testimony, most of which was critical because it would have provided this report with the context that it lacks.

Mr. Wells promised back in January to share the results of this investigation publicly, so why not follow through and make public all of the information gathered and let the public draw its own conclusions? This report contains significant and tragic flaws, and it is common knowledge in the legal industry that reports like this generally are written for the benefit of the purchaser."
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I reckon he should make the verbatim notes of the interview public. Especially if he says that the Wells report has excluded large parts of Tom's testimony.
 
To be honest, as much as I love Brady, saying its a sting operation is just a bit too far fetched. Its possibly a statement written with a good deal of anger however the fact that the statement says "may be more probable than not that the league cooperated with the Colts in perpetrating a sting operation" could be a way for them to have a dig at the Wells report use of 'more probable than not' when it was released yesterday. I don't know.

What interests me is the fact that he is saying that there is significant parts of his testimony which have not been included anywhere in the Wells report so they are correct in saying the report lacks context with large parts of the testimony omitted. Wells did say back in January that the results would be made public so going by that then surely the testimony should have been included in the report in full?
 
I'd imagine TB will get a 4 game suspension and the Patriots will possibly lose a draft pick. Depends how serious they are taking it all but could even be a 1st or 2nd round pick. He's quite obviously involved.
I don't think it changes his status as being one of the best ever but unfortunately it will taint his image a bit. I don't know how much difference throwing softer balls around makes but nobody likes a cheat.
 
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