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Has it occurred to you that some of those players went on to play for much better clubs at their peak? It's not rocket science, it's obvious.


United were at their peak when Ronaldo was there. 4 League titles in 5 years and 2 champions league finals.

Bellend? Grow up!
 
No it's not. Aguero has aced the league for years. Ibra is shining at 35. Hazard destroys teams when he's firing. Ronaldo and Bale dominated. Suarez scored goals at Messi and Ronaldo rates and really took the piss in his last season.

Pogba was never worth a world record fee because he isn't a proper elite player yet and importantly we've paid for his potential. People can try and make excuses all they want but that's the case and he has to ion out the flaws himself. Neymar is on a completely different. It's almost an insult to the latter to put him alongside Pogba currently. He's one of the world's best footballers and would be this leagues best player if he came.

This!

I thought I should make an intelligent comment, but you pretty much nailed it - rock on!
 
The EPL is not a barrier to winning Fifa player of the year.. it is just that the league has not really had many outstanding individuals in the global context i.e. head and shoulders above anyone else on the planet, and when players are about to reach their peak.. some have moved abroad.

Ronaldo is the only Ballon D'or worthy talent that has graced our shores outside of Henry (who lost out to one of the all time greats in Ronaldinho) and United's side in the nineties, was more team orientated rather than relying on a top world class star.

If Neymar came here and won United the CL, he'd get the Ballon D'or no question.
 
This!

I thought I should make an intelligent comment, but you pretty much nailed it - rock on!


But sure Aguero has barely even come close to winning Ballon D'Or - he;s just been a great EPL centre-forward.
 
Gareth Bale has scored 54 goals in 84 appearances for Real Madrid. He didn't even manage that amount of goals in 176 appearances in the EPL. Ronaldo 84 goals in 154 EPL appearances. 279 goals in 234 La Liga appearances.

There's no argument about this; the greatest players shine more in other leagues other than the EPL.

And in those 176 appearances, how many did he play as a lb, and how many as a left winger, more concerned with assisting than scoring? When he moved central, in his final season at the club, he scored quite a few goals.

Also, your last sentence is jus daft - semicolon or not.
 
Gareth Bale has scored 54 goals in 84 appearances for Real Madrid. He didn't even manage that amount of goals in 176 appearances in the EPL. Ronaldo 84 goals in 154 EPL appearances. 279 goals in 234 La Liga appearances.

There's no argument about this; the greatest players shine more in other leagues other than the EPL.
Those players were just starting to develop and as each season went by, their output improved and continued to do so in La Liga. Both moved to La Liga as they were getting to their peaks so obviously they'll have a better goal output. Bale was a left back to begin with at Spurs.
 
Seems like a lot of people would like this diver to swim in their lake, instead of Barca's.
 
But sure Aguero has barely even come close to winning Ballon D'Or - he;s just been a great EPL centre-forward.

Nobody has come close to winning Ballon D'O'r - there's Messi and Ronaldo to thank for that. Then you have Lewandowski, Suarez (could have been there in his final season for Liverpool if not for the biting and the racism, but alas), Griezman and so forth. These are just overall better players. First and foremost, English teams need to improve in the CL to win those trophies, but if you actually watch matches, you will know that Aguero, Hazard, Bale at his time, Ronaldo, etc, etc have all dominated in the PL, not to mention Henry and Giggs at their prime.
 
The EPL is not a barrier to winning Fifa player of the year.. it is just that the league has not really had many outstanding individuals in the global context i.e. head and shoulders above anyone else on the planet, and when players are about to reach their peak.. some have moved abroad.

Ronaldo is the only Ballon D'or worthy talent that has graced our shores outside of Henry (who lost out to one of the all time greats in Ronaldinho) and United's side in the nineties, was more team orientated rather than relying on a top world class star.

If Neymar came here and won United the CL, he'd get the Ballon D'or no question.

Michael Owen won it whilst playing for Liverpool.
 
“And then you have high-level coaches like [David] Moyes and [Pep] Guardiola. These are coaches with whom any player would like to work.”

Fixed.
 
"I like the playing style and the teams. And who knows, someday, i would like to play at it, yes. I admire Manchester United, Chelsea, Arsenal Liverpool- These are the teams that are always there fighting"

Interesting quotes and particularly like that he mentions us first! But is this just another contract renewal situation?
 
Signed a new contract less than 7 months ago, so probably not.

More likely just the usual cliched answer footballers use when faced with those kind of questions
 
"I like the playing style and the teams. And who knows, someday, i would like to play at it, yes. I admire Manchester United, Chelsea, Arsenal Liverpool- These are the teams that are always there fighting"

Interesting quotes and particularly like that he mentions us first! But is this just another contract renewal situation?
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"I like the playing style and the teams. And who knows, someday, i would like to play at it, yes. I admire Manchester United, Chelsea, Arsenal Liverpool- These are the teams that are always there fighting"

Interesting quotes and particularly like that he mentions us first! But is this just another contract renewal situation?

Happens all the time, players get asked about a league by a foreign journalist and say maybe one day. You can usually find quotes like that even for MLS. At the minute the prem nowhere near the same level as la liga so not sure why any top player would move backwards. In all likelihood we will lose our best player to la liga again this summer (Hazard)
 
Hypothetically, IF Neymar were to leave, how much would it take to get him here?
 
Unless Barca up their transfer standards then I can see Neymar looking around and thinking the only players up to his standards are 30 years old plus.
If someone like City or us promise him signings every season like Pogba / Griezmann and he's the star then his head can be turned.
The new challenge line works both ways. If he needs to move to England to further the Neymar brand then they's what he'll do.
 
Unless Barca up their transfer standards then I can see Neymar looking around and thinking the only players up to his standards are 30 years old plus.
If someone like City or us promise him signings every season like Pogba / Griezmann and he's the star then his head can be turned.
The new challenge line works both ways. If he needs to move to England to further the Neymar brand then they's what he'll do.

And what happens if you pay 200m for him and 6 months later he decides he doesn't like England very much?
 
Happens all the time, players get asked about a league by a foreign journalist and say maybe one day. You can usually find quotes like that even for MLS. At the minute the prem nowhere near the same level as la liga so not sure why any top player would move backwards. In all likelihood we will lose our best player to la liga again this summer (Hazard)

Sorry, what?
 
And what happens if you pay 200m for him and 6 months later he decides he doesn't like England very much?
PSG or even Madrid would take him off our hands, besides that could kill his aura so he probably would try and stick it out.
Big names have less risks, look at Di Maria. A lesser named player and we wouldn't have come close to receiving the fee we did from PSG for him.
James is a bust for Madrid yet the loss they'll make on him will be minimal.
We can't be scared of worse case scenarios here, what if he destroyed the league in 6 months is well worth the risk.
 
At the minute the prem nowhere near the same level as la liga so not sure why any top player would move backwards
Di Maria (he was a hot property that season); Costa; quite possibly Griezmann this summer;
Silva, Mata, Aguero, Toure, Sanchez, Ozil all came to this league, some not so long ago.

It's not about the league. The club - yeah, it's hard to see an English club snatching someone from Real or Barca without them wanting to get rid of those players (Di Maria, Sanchez etc.). Although United already won the bidding war with the Spanish giants for Pogba, for example, and it's a big step towards the change of the overall league balance.
 
In the last 15-years, only 1 Premier League player has won Ballon D'Or. In the last 35-years, 2.

There's no doubt that individuals shine more in other leagues. Players you've mentioned such as Shearer, Rooney, Aguero - would all shine more in La Liga for example just as Ronaldo and Bale have.

Managers approach the Premier League in a much more pragmatic way, stemming the brilliance of oppostion individuals. I know there are cases of individual brilliance in the Premier League over the years, but it's much easier to stand out in La Liga or Serie A or Lige Un or even Bundesliga.
In the last 15 years here is the Ballon d'or performance of premier league based players

Henry 2nd, Lampard 2nd, Gerrard 3rd, Henry 3rd, Ronaldo 2nd, Ronaldo 1st, Torres 3rd,

Shearer has also finished 3rd as has Berghamp and Beckham

Point is, these point to the fact that players in England do shine and are recognised for their individual brilliance when deserved. Neymar hasn't won a Ballon d'or but he has finished 3rd so he has been recognised.
 
Gareth Bale has scored 54 goals in 84 appearances for Real Madrid. He didn't even manage that amount of goals in 176 appearances in the EPL. Ronaldo 84 goals in 154 EPL appearances. 279 goals in 234 La Liga appearances.

There's no argument about this; the greatest players shine more in other leagues other than the EPL.
Bale spent a portion of his time as a left back. soon as he developed into a WC LW he was snapped up. Ronaldo similar. Spent much of his career as a promising youngster and went to Madrid an already made world class talent. That is obvious
 
contracted to 2021, 1 year older than Pogba, bigger name, talent, match winner, already regarded top 3-5 in the world. I'll go with £180 million

For me he's honestly the 2nd best in the world now. If you look at the last 10 minutes of the PSG match and then imagine it was Ronaldo instead there's no way the outcome is the same. I think he's elevated his game to that level now. His only problem is consistency but I'm not so sure if he is even inconsistent or if it's just playing in the same team as Messi where he isn't seeing the ball as much or doesn't have to dig deep to win matches for the team.

180m for any player is mental though but I guess that's modern football.
 
So, reports with somewhat reliable sources are reporting us wanting Neymar, Griezmann, Mbappe and even Varane. Signing them all would be mental, this place would explode :lol:
 
Messi improved his shooting as compared to how he was as a toddler?

I don't know as a toddler, but when he started for FCB's first team, his finishing was indeed erratic.
Not with regards to finishing, but Iniesta also grew and grew into his role, whereas when he started a few Barca fans I knew were puzzled to why he was chosen.
 
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