Moonred
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I love how one declares how there isn't even a room for argument. Bellend.
Has it occurred to you that some of those players went on to play for much better clubs at their peak? It's not rocket science, it's obvious.
No it's not. Aguero has aced the league for years. Ibra is shining at 35. Hazard destroys teams when he's firing. Ronaldo and Bale dominated. Suarez scored goals at Messi and Ronaldo rates and really took the piss in his last season.
Pogba was never worth a world record fee because he isn't a proper elite player yet and importantly we've paid for his potential. People can try and make excuses all they want but that's the case and he has to ion out the flaws himself. Neymar is on a completely different. It's almost an insult to the latter to put him alongside Pogba currently. He's one of the world's best footballers and would be this leagues best player if he came.
This!
I thought I should make an intelligent comment, but you pretty much nailed it - rock on!
Gareth Bale has scored 54 goals in 84 appearances for Real Madrid. He didn't even manage that amount of goals in 176 appearances in the EPL. Ronaldo 84 goals in 154 EPL appearances. 279 goals in 234 La Liga appearances.
There's no argument about this; the greatest players shine more in other leagues other than the EPL.
United were at their peak when Ronaldo was there. 4 League titles in 5 years and 2 champions league finals.
Bellend? Grow up!
Probably because he isn't as good as Messi or Ronaldo?But sure Aguero has barely even come close to winning Ballon D'Or - he;s just been a great EPL centre-forward.
Those players were just starting to develop and as each season went by, their output improved and continued to do so in La Liga. Both moved to La Liga as they were getting to their peaks so obviously they'll have a better goal output. Bale was a left back to begin with at Spurs.Gareth Bale has scored 54 goals in 84 appearances for Real Madrid. He didn't even manage that amount of goals in 176 appearances in the EPL. Ronaldo 84 goals in 154 EPL appearances. 279 goals in 234 La Liga appearances.
There's no argument about this; the greatest players shine more in other leagues other than the EPL.
But sure Aguero has barely even come close to winning Ballon D'Or - he;s just been a great EPL centre-forward.
Probably because he isn't as good as Messi or Ronaldo?
The EPL is not a barrier to winning Fifa player of the year.. it is just that the league has not really had many outstanding individuals in the global context i.e. head and shoulders above anyone else on the planet, and when players are about to reach their peak.. some have moved abroad.
Ronaldo is the only Ballon D'or worthy talent that has graced our shores outside of Henry (who lost out to one of the all time greats in Ronaldinho) and United's side in the nineties, was more team orientated rather than relying on a top world class star.
If Neymar came here and won United the CL, he'd get the Ballon D'or no question.
Michael Owen won it whilst playing for Liverpool.
But how do we fit Pogba, Martial, Mkhi, Rashford, Mbappe, Griezmann and Neymar all in at the same time????
With a very big
and a playstation as the only way that is happening is on FIFA 2018
No, only his finishing has gone missingHe's still some way off being the best in the world IMO, and this season he has gone missing for large spells.
"I like the playing style and the teams. And who knows, someday, i would like to play at it, yes. I admire Manchester United, Chelsea, Arsenal Liverpool- These are the teams that are always there fighting"
Interesting quotes and particularly like that he mentions us first! But is this just another contract renewal situation?
"I like the playing style and the teams. And who knows, someday, i would like to play at it, yes. I admire Manchester United, Chelsea, Arsenal Liverpool- These are the teams that are always there fighting"
Interesting quotes and particularly like that he mentions us first! But is this just another contract renewal situation?
£150mHypothetically, IF Neymar were to leave, how much would it take to get him here?
Unless Barca up their transfer standards then I can see Neymar looking around and thinking the only players up to his standards are 30 years old plus.
If someone like City or us promise him signings every season like Pogba / Griezmann and he's the star then his head can be turned.
The new challenge line works both ways. If he needs to move to England to further the Neymar brand then they's what he'll do.
Happens all the time, players get asked about a league by a foreign journalist and say maybe one day. You can usually find quotes like that even for MLS. At the minute the prem nowhere near the same level as la liga so not sure why any top player would move backwards. In all likelihood we will lose our best player to la liga again this summer (Hazard)
PSG or even Madrid would take him off our hands, besides that could kill his aura so he probably would try and stick it out.And what happens if you pay 200m for him and 6 months later he decides he doesn't like England very much?
Di Maria (he was a hot property that season); Costa; quite possibly Griezmann this summer;At the minute the prem nowhere near the same level as la liga so not sure why any top player would move backwards
In the last 15 years here is the Ballon d'or performance of premier league based playersIn the last 15-years, only 1 Premier League player has won Ballon D'Or. In the last 35-years, 2.
There's no doubt that individuals shine more in other leagues. Players you've mentioned such as Shearer, Rooney, Aguero - would all shine more in La Liga for example just as Ronaldo and Bale have.
Managers approach the Premier League in a much more pragmatic way, stemming the brilliance of oppostion individuals. I know there are cases of individual brilliance in the Premier League over the years, but it's much easier to stand out in La Liga or Serie A or Lige Un or even Bundesliga.
Bale spent a portion of his time as a left back. soon as he developed into a WC LW he was snapped up. Ronaldo similar. Spent much of his career as a promising youngster and went to Madrid an already made world class talent. That is obviousGareth Bale has scored 54 goals in 84 appearances for Real Madrid. He didn't even manage that amount of goals in 176 appearances in the EPL. Ronaldo 84 goals in 154 EPL appearances. 279 goals in 234 La Liga appearances.
There's no argument about this; the greatest players shine more in other leagues other than the EPL.
Hypothetically, IF Neymar were to leave, how much would it take to get him here?
Hypothetically, IF Neymar were to leave, how much would it take to get him here?
contracted to 2021, 1 year older than Pogba, bigger name, talent, match winner, already regarded top 3-5 in the world. I'll go with £180 million£150m
contracted to 2021, 1 year older than Pogba, bigger name, talent, match winner, already regarded top 3-5 in the world. I'll go with £180 million
Messi improved his shooting as compared to how he was as a toddler?
Sorry, what?