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Spoony said:
Of course not. We're acting like a nouveau riche club trying to buy the world's best players from the biggest clubs. Muller, Bale, Ramos, Neymar...I think Woody needs to sorted out his transfer strategy. Perhaps he's just a transfer muppet's dream... which I think would also explain the hero worship.
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Who knows whether the rumour is true, but if it is, it makes us look pathetically desperate if you ask me. We'll obviously overpay for anyone we might end up with by the 31st.
 
Seems to me like Alves gave him some tips hiw to get a better contract. Seriously, this summer is ridiculous. Getting used for better contracts, must be a record this summer.
 
Spoony said:
That nice. Let's go for Messi next...
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Messi is very linked to Barca, and has loyalty to them. Neymar is different.

Obviously, I don't think that we can get Neymar. But if we have even 1% chance of getting him, it won't hurt if we try.
 
Dans said:
Who knows whether the rumour is true, but if it is, it makes us look pathetically desperate if you ask me. We'll obviously overpay for anyone we might end up with by the 31st.
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Well, we've shown interest in Muller, Ramos, Bale and possibly Ronaldo. I wouldn't be surprised if the Neymar rumours were legit. Someone on here said it was a kin to City trying to lure the then world's best player Kaka...after they won the lottery. So true.
 
Spoony said:
Well, we've shown interest in Muller, Ramos, Bale and possibly Ronaldo. I wouldn't be surprised if the Neymar rumours were legit. Someone on here said it was a kin to City trying to lure the then world's best player Kaka...after they won the lottery. So true.
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Difference being City are new money and we are landed gentry.
 
Dwazza von Moosesteiger said:
Difference being City are new money and we are landed gentry.
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True. But at the moment we're a club that aren't nailed on to make the CL every season. Why on earth would they move from clubs that may as well guarentee success? We've got rid of RVP and haven't replaced him, and we sold an Argentine player but one we didn't replace in terms of top level potential. Currently we're expecting a raw 21 year Dutch bloke to virtually carry the attack. We've got so many areas to look at first...
 
I'm going to make a statement right now:

Manchester United are in talks to buy Neymar.

There. I've just linked United with Neymar. It's a source. I just made it up, it's still more reliable than the Sun's world exclusive.
 
Enigma_87 said:
Do you honestly believe we have a chance of landing Neymar till the end of the window? Apart from the obvious reasons that he's in a better club, with better players, at a better place in a culture much more closer to his own, there are also things like he has a long contract, Barca unavailable to play new players up until the end of the year, and just sold Pedro. I mean seriously?
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Do you honestly believe we're actually making any sort of move for him whatsoever?

It's his agent planting stories about us to help along his contract negotations.

What's embarrassing isn't that people are hopeful that a deal like this could happen, it's that people actually believe that United are wasting their time trying to make it happen. Journalists are happily lapping up agents linking their players to United because the eventual clusterfeck of outrage from gullible fans when it comes to a head and the player gets a new contract or the "selling" club declare it nonsense and impossible and blame United for planting stories sells a shit load of papers and gets a shit load of clicks to their crappy articles.


It's incredibly embarrassing how fecking stupid our own fans are being these days. If a source declares us interested in player X they are quick to write it off as bullshit yet more than happy to piss and whinge when it eventually doesn't happen despite it being complete bollocks all along. Sort yourselves out for feck sake.
 
Pexbo said:
Do you honestly believe we're actually making any sort of move for him whatsoever?

It's his agent planting stories about us to help along his contract negotations.

What's embarrassing isn't that people are hopeful that a deal like this could happen, it's that people actually believe that United are wasting their time trying to make it happen. Journalists are happily lapping up agents linking their players to United because the eventual clusterfeck of outrage from gullible fans when it comes to a head and the player gets a new contract or the "selling" club declare it nonsense and impossible and blame United for planting stories sells a shit load of papers and gets a shit load of clicks to their crappy articles.


It's incredibly embarrassing how fecking stupid our own fans are being these days. If a source declares us interested in player X they are quick to write it off as bullshit yet more than happy to piss and whinge when it eventually doesn't happen despite it being complete bollocks all along. Sort yourselves out for feck sake.
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Is it anymore unbelievable than trying to buy Ramos or Muller? I recall you thinking Ramos to United would happen...
 
Spoony said:
Is it anymore unbelievable than trying to buy Ramos or Muller? I recall you thinking Ramos to United would happen...
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Or when Moyes talked about how close we were to getting Ronaldo or Bale. I think we really are that desperate at this time.
 
Spoony said:
Is it anymore unbelievable than trying to buy Ramos or Muller? I recall you thinking Ramos to United would happen...
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Of course! Ramos was just a pssing contest with Madrid, making more difficult the De Gea transfer for them. For Muller, there were LVG links.
 
Godfather said:
Or when Moyes talked about how close we were to getting Ronaldo or Bale. I think we really are that desperate at this time.
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Yeah I didn't believe the Bale rumours, but I suspect we did lodge a bid. So, why is one rumours more believable than another? Er... It's not.
 
Maybe Woodwards plan is to get every other club into debt.. go in for their star players, push their clubs into keeping them on ridiculous contracts.. and keep them away from being able to spend on lesser known players with huge potential?
 
Revan said:
Of course! Ramos was just a pssing contest with Madrid, making more difficult the De Gea transfer for them. For Muller, there were LVG links.
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Ahh so we get to keep an unhappy player on the bench then lose him on a free next season? Smart business.
 
Spoony said:
Ahh so we get to keep an unhappy player on the bench then lose him on a free next season? Smart business.
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We were going to keep him anyway, unless Madrid raised their offer.

The interest in Ramos was just to piss of Madrid. With an outside chance of something really happen.
 
Spoony said:
Is it anymore unbelievable than trying to buy Ramos or Muller? I recall you thinking Ramos to United would happen...
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The Ramos stories were as unbelievable too..although people just didnt want to listen..It made as much sense as this happening( Giving up the Madrid captaincy that he had waited 10 years for, because of a minor contract dispute).."But its Graham Hunter, he is reliable"...
 
Pexbo said:
Do you honestly believe we're actually making any sort of move for him whatsoever?

It's his agent planting stories about us to help along his contract negotations.
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Because of our recent history with Fabregas, Ramos, Alves, Muller, etc. We chased Fabregas and ended with Fellaini in the deadline day when running out of options. I can see us trying to save face after the Pedro fiasco with bidding for Neymar knowing it would never happen.

Pexbo said:
What's embarrassing isn't that people are hopeful that a deal like this could happen, it's that people actually believe that United are wasting their time trying to make it happen. Journalists are happily lapping up agents linking their players to United because the eventual clusterfeck of outrage from gullible fans when it comes to a head and the player gets a new contract or the "selling" club declare it nonsense and impossible and blame United for planting stories sells a shit load of papers and gets a shit load of clicks to their crappy articles.
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Look at our recent past, it's not like it's all been fabricated by agents and media. Far from it. After Gill and Fergie we've become specialists in wasting time on not one occasion. It's not that unlikely we're wasting our time here as well.

Pexbo said:
It's incredibly embarrassing how fecking stupid our own fans are being these days. If a source declares us interested in player X they are quick to write it off as bullshit yet more than happy to piss and whinge when it eventually doesn't happen despite it being complete bollocks all along. Sort yourselves out for feck sake.
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Again our interest in certain targets that were never going to come has been reported not only by media.
 
Spoony said:
Is it anymore unbelievable than trying to buy Ramos or Muller? I recall you thinking Ramos to United would happen...
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I've already explained what I think happened with Ramos. As for Muller, I wouldn't be surprised if he's looking for a new challenge much like Bastian was. He's won everything there is to win with them, the EPL is probably quite an attractive prospect so I don't see why he wouldn't be open to the move. It's persuading Bayern that is the difficult bit. Very unlikely but more likely than Naymar given his links to Van Gaal and BFS and his apparent relationship with Pep.
 
This is why the Sun is still in business. Few slow news days with bad sales so they decided to make up nonsense like this. Why? Well after a while it will pick up, some people are deluded and think it could have something in it, the news starts to spread, people buy/go back to the original source (The Sun), the Sun then gets loads of views and increased income. They get what they want which is £££ and couldn't care less what they print to get it. Then some other journos will pick up that this is the market to be in and also make up stuff (We have made a bid) which then makes people buy/look into their sources.

Sadly then the news has spread so much people start to think it must be true, then people turn on Woody/LVG for pursuing a deal that is NEVER going to happen. Or again we are being used by a player for a new contract.
 
Pexbo said:
I've already explained what I think happened with Ramos. As for Muller, I wouldn't be surprised if he's looking for a new challenge much like Bastian was. He's won everything there is to win with them, the EPL is probably quite an attractive prospect so I don't see why he wouldn't be open to the move. It's persuading Bayern that is the difficult bit. Very unlikely but more likely than Naymar given his links to Van Gaal and BFS and his apparent relationship with Pep.
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Basically you choose to believe or not to. And Neymar has won everything with Barca and all. Perhaps he wants a new challenge?
 
I'm not getting excited over this at all, but this talk of "embarrassment" is just too much. Who fecking cares really.
 
Pexbo said:
I've already explained what I think happened with Ramos. As for Muller, I wouldn't be surprised if he's looking for a new challenge much like Bastian was. He's won everything there is to win with them, the EPL is probably quite an attractive prospect so I don't see why he wouldn't be open to the move. It's persuading Bayern that is the difficult bit. Very unlikely but more likely than Naymar given his links to Van Gaal and BFS and his apparent relationship with Pep.
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What about Bale, Ronaldo, Fabregas, Thiago, Pedro, Herrera (wasted a window and ended up still paying the release clause) and all others we've wasted time on in the last windows? I don't think Neymar looks less likely than all those above, was it all media for them?

Iron Stove said:
I'm not getting excited over this at all, but this talk of "embarrassment" is just too much. Who fecking cares really.
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Probably it's too strong I'd agree. Poor transfer business would be better.
 
Matty7 said:
This is why the Sun is still in business. Few slow news days with bad sales so they decided to make up nonsense like this. Why? Well after a while it will pick up, some people are deluded and think it could have something in it, the news starts to spread, people buy/go back to the original source (The Sun), the Sun then gets loads of views and increased income. They get what they want which is £££ and couldn't care less what they print to get it. Then some other journos will pick up that this is the market to be in and also make up stuff (We have made a bid) which then makes people buy/look into their sources.

Sadly then the news has spread so much people start to think it must be true, then people turn on Woody/LVG for pursuing a deal that is NEVER going to happen. Or again we are being used by a player for a new contract.
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But it's not just The Sun reporting it.
 
It's first class bullshit of the highest order, I really don't know why anyone is even entertaining it.
 
Stack said:
Exactly. Its pathetic.
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Yup. We either made an outrageous punt or more likely, the whole thing was made up by journos or Neymar's agent. Either way the only reason to feel embarrassed is because you're sensitive to media narrative and in turn what your mates shit banter will be because of it. Feeling "embarrassed" because of the players the club is linked to is embarrassing in itself.
 
Iron Stove said:
Yup. We either made an outlandish punt or more likely, the whole thing was made up by journos or Neymar's agent. Either way the only reason to feel embarrassed is because you're sensitive to media narrative and in turn what your mates shit banter will be because of it. Feeling "embarrassed" because of the players the club is linked to is embarrassing in itself.
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If you are referring to my comments for the "embarrassing" remark it was for our transfer dealings rather that this one solely in particular. It's not the first time it happened that we chased a player the whole summer (Fabregas, Herrera), then to buy Fellaini at the deadline day paying his release clause, or next summer paying Herrera's release clause.

Season has started, there is a week until the window ends, we have 5 keepers, but it's a conundrum who will play and who will go, sold our best finisher, sold di Maria and now we're incredibly thin in attack. One can argue for CB as well, chasing Ramos all Summer, and the latest cockup with Pedro.

So yeah I was referring to some of our dealings on the market rather than this one in particular.
 
The first thing that usually comes to my mind when I see these stories and the inevitable 'Using us to get a better contract' stuff is - Why would Neymar even need to use United out of all teams? I mean if most of us have come to realise that we are being used, why would Barcelona now crumble and offer Neymar a better contract because of these rumours. Or are we meant to believe that the Barcelona board have no idea about what's going on in the football world and will panic if they find out we want him?
 
SammyUnited_83 said:
But it's not just The Sun reporting it.
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Like i said later on in my post: Then some other journos will pick up that this is the market to be in and also make up stuff (We have made a bid) which then makes people buy/look into their sources.
 
I dont understand all the talk of wasting time, like anybody really knows what it takes to be in Woodwards position. Im more likely to assume he's got a 2nd option in place who we'll sign, if all this paper talk is true.

As for the price, 80 million for Ronaldo doesnt seem a lot now, Im sure Real made more back from commercial deals. I think we'd make a killing commercially if we signed Neymar.
 
Enigma_87 said:
If you are referring to my comments for the "embarrassing" remark it was for our transfer dealings rather that this one solely in particular. It's not the first time it happened that we chased a player the whole summer (Fabregas, Herrera), then to buy Fellaini at the deadline day paying his release clause, or next summer paying Herrera's release clause.

Season has started, there is a week until the window ends, we have 5 keepers, but it's a conundrum who will play and who will go, sold our best finisher, sold di Maria and now we're incredibly thin in the attack. One can argue for CB as well, chasing Ramos all Summer, and the latest cockup with Pedro.

So yeah I was referring to some of our dealings on the market rather than this one in particular.
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I wasn't referring to you in particular, I've seen people feeling "embarrassed" all over the Caf recently.

We've been linked to a million players throughout the years, who we didn't get or or weren't interested in. Who was ever embarrassed when we were linked to Batistuta, Ronaldinho or Kluivert who we didn't get?

You mention the famous Moyes summer, which was a low point, but that was under another manager.

Personally I think that even if I realize we could really do with another forward, I'm very happy with this transfer window. 5 players in who have slotted in very well so far.
 
Iron Stove said:
I wasn't referring to you in particular, I've seen people feeling "embarrassed" all over the Caf recently.

We've been linked to a million players throughout the years, who we didn't get or or weren't interested in. Who was ever embarrassed when we were linked to Batistuta, Ronaldinho or Kluivert who we didn't get?

You mention the famous Moyes summer, which was a low point, but that was under another manager.

Personally I think that even if I realize we could really do with another forward, I'm very happy with this transfer window. 5 players in who have slotted in very well so far.
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I don't refer indeed to the million players we're always linked up and it didn't happen. I'm rather on our latest transfer dealings after Fergie and Gill where afterwards it was confirmed that we had interest and how they went. With a few exceptions I don't think we're doing too good on the market. Yes, Bastian and Darmian were great deals this Summer, but some of the dithering over the last couple of years is nothing to brag about.

Batistuta, Shearer and Kluivert are examples of players we wanted and didn't get, but we did get Cole, Yorke, Ronaldo, Nistelrooy or whatever backup we had in mind and we did it fairly quickly.

I can see our transfer policy a bit stabbing in a dark. We try to get some players and if it works ok, if it doesn't we pay premium when we're hard pressed by time, or results.

I don't know who exactly is to blame - Woodward, Moyes, LvG, that would probably come out later.

DDG situation is as well not something to brag about, or the other 4 keepers in the stands.
 
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