Neymar is not a striker, his mission in the team will not be to score more goals than Cavani, he never was the main scorer in any team, even at Santos if I am not wrong, anyway he will score more goals at PSG, complete nonsense to expect him scoring 50 goals.
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Think he meant it more in the way that Spanish clubs are institutionally racist - so that would be things like the white players are always the preferred star.
Barca's pushing of Messi imagery after Neymar saved their asses in the CL definitely had the subtle whiff of that, but institutional racism is just that - subtle, and constant.
There's a definite lack of black stars in La Liga when compared to other leagues - Maradona has called this out regarding Spanish and Italian clubs. Hopefully this changes soon.
Of course one of Neymar's teammates was Suarez as well, a well known racist on the pitch but apparently not one off it...
So he has a release clause in his contract. He was a madrid fan when he was very young and his idol was robinho. I think he will join another club by 2019 summer.
I don't necessarily disagree with the overarching point but the one thing I totally disagree with is the idea that you or I are right in this scenario. It's just not that black or white. Most people make decisions for irrational reasons and then go through a period of post-rationalisation. I was just presenting one line of thinking. It's not difficult to see how someone could convince themselves that this is an exciting new challenge, simply because - for rational or irrational reasons - they feel bored or trapped in their current situation.
You're looking at it purely from a perspective of analysing all of the rational inputs and outputs, assessing them in their totality and then making a judgement on them. When we make decisions, even life-changing decisions, we don't process things that way. Most of the time people do what they do without really knowing why they do it. You only need to take a cursory glance at any number of these concepts to see that clearly:
Or for a slightly more engaging way of exploring the ideas...just listen to a talk from Dan Ariely.
First of all, this presentation from Dan Ariely is a great watch. And I do agree with you that, considering all aspects of the transfer, there is a possibility that Neymar is convinced about PSG being a big new challenge in his short career as an athlete which is difficult to miss out. First of all, we definitely don't know what's in his head. Second of all, when PSG "sell him" the idea of moving there I think they certainly didn't just throw the money on the table as many believe. They sold him also the idea of being the main man in a big new club which aspires to be the best in the world but failed to do that so far.
So, yes, his decision-making process did certainly involve many factors, some of them which we are unaware of. But...
That is true but as it says in the video you gave, you are more exposed of doing this if you don't know your preferences that well. And if you don't know them you're more susceptible to other external factors or influence. So, according to that, I will correct myself.
Is Neymar preference to be the best in the world? Maybe somewhere in the head it exists but it definitely isn't that clear IMO, otherwise, he wouldn't buy the idea of playing for the club which so far has been considered as a perfect place for Ronaldo to finish his career in last 2-3 years and boost his goalscoring record. For example and why I think his preference and main motive is not clearly football oriented. Just throw away any of the non-footballing reasons out of it, he wouldn't join PSG. You move away that bunch of money, he definitely wouldn't come. You change Paris for Manchester, definitely not coming. You change Barcelona for Madrid. No way again. Ronaldo is there and he doesn't want to be in the shadow of someone else even if that someone has 32 years of age.
Why I do think that his motives and preferences while he made this choice will be clear in the end. Well, either you will give spectacular performances most days or you don't.
Either you will get out fired out and hungry to perform and score/assist as much as you can whatever the opposition is, like Ronaldo or Messi do week in, week out, or you don't. Either you will ask for the best players to join you (Bale Madrid, Suarez and him Barcelona) or you will kick up a fuss when PSG buys a new expensive star in 2-3 years. You will also not decline early. As I said, I don't have any problems with him proving me wrong, he already did it during his career as I suspect about his ability to lead Brazil national team like he did in WC2014. So, in any case, I'm curious how will this turn out.
@Brwned - continuing our conversation.
The Neymar price tag deconstructed
http://www.campaignlive.co.uk/article/neymar-price-tag-deconstructed/1441298
Shirt sales, image rights, merchandise opportunities – will PSG's purchase of Barcelona's footballing genius Neymar lead to a revenue boost offsetting the £198m payment and enable the French league club to compete with sporting giants like Real Madrid? And what partnership opportunities await PSG following such an extraordinary investment?
Licensing Industry Merchandisers’ Association managing director Kelvyn Gardner said all revenue streams would have been analysed with historic image rights revenues also estimated.
"When a major club invests this sort of money, plus wages, in a player you can bet they’ve considered all the revenue streams and business-building opportunities. For instance, with a high-profile star like Neymar, image rights are invariably licensed to the club as part of the deal securing the player. This means the club has many opportunities to earn revenue from the use of the image—these include advertising and endorsements using the team and groups of players, sponsor packages and media outlets. Pace the current challenges to Cristiano Ronaldo on this front, it’s a big deal.
With a social media footprint of over 160 million, Neymar will certainly bring a lot of attention to the club "While it’s difficult to predict the exact revenue figures for Neymar’s image rights, retail sales of licensed sports merchandising amounted to over $24bn (£18.3bn) worldwide last year. With football being the world’s most popular sport and Neymar one of its biggest – and now most expensive – stars, it is obvious that his brand will generate a fair amount of money."
The global game
"In the wider battle to develop the PSG brand internationally, and to boost overall sales of merchandise featuring the club and their players, there is a tendency for football fans in countries such as China, Taiwan and Thailand to be somewhat fickle – they switch allegiance from one club to another depending, mainly, on a team’s success on the field. This is radically different from the attitude of a UK or European football fan who sticks by his or her team with almost religious devotion. Being seen to be buying the best talent is one way to counter a lack of success that could lose the interest and involvement of fans overseas (domestically it works, too, of course).
"Spending a huge amount of money on a globally recognised star shows an intent to succeed and establish market power. Buying a PSG replica shirt may not have been top of mind among Asian football fans, but with the chance now to add Neymar’s name in the traditional spot on the shirt back, you have a whole new ball-game, so to speak. Short-term, big boost in merchandise sold and long-term, the club’s profile rises; good for general commerce but also in enabling them to attract the ‘next Neymar’ over the world’s other big soccer clubs and brands. Maybe not quite an open goal for the club’s commercial department, but definitely a pass into space for their star business staff. Don’t expect the Neymar story to be the last of its kind."
The move enables PSG to compete commercially and to bolster its international kudos, MediaCom's vice-president of sport and entertainment Misha Sher said. "As it stands, there’s a huge amount of competition in the marketplace already, with many clubs competing for a small pool of five-star, world-class players.
"With a lot more channels and platforms on which to view content and watch sports – but a lot less time to do it these days – it’s never been more important for sports club to have a unique selling point to attract advertisers and sponsors. It’s unclear at this stage whether PSG will recoup the £450m including fees, wages and cuts for agents over the course of Neymar’s contract and beyond, but what it offers the club is something totally unique and a chance to compete commercially and reputationally with the likes of Real Madrid, Manchester United and, ironically, Barcelona."
Commercial winners
Sher also believes that Neymar's move to an arguably lesser league makes the deal all the more intriguing in terms of the potential commercial and cultural winners.
"Neymar’s move to Paris Saint-Germain transcends a business transaction; there’s a political, cultural and commercial aspect of this deal like we’ve never quite seen before. For one of the most iconic players in the world to move to a – some say – lesser league, Neymar’s transfer represents somewhat of a coup.
"The football broadcast rights will almost certainly increase as demand rockets to watch a genuine sports superstar join the French league. With the Qatari-backed PSG and the World Cup just around the corner, Qatar is also being seen as a big winner here, leveraging the transfer to raise its value and appeal."
Neymar is one of the most marketable athletes in the world and currently generates around 60% of his income from endorsements alone. Gillette, Nike and Qatar Airways are just a few of the brands to have featured the Brazilian's soccer skills in their advertising, and following the young player's mercurial rise on the global stage, he remains highly marketable.
Cake's head of analytics Dr Anna Semens said "Neymar is one of the most marketable athletes in the world and currently generates around 60% of his income from endorsements alone, so aside from his playing quality, PSG will benefit from his image and marketability."
"At just 25, he has the potential to be both the cornerstone of the team and also someone around whom to further develop the PSG brand. The club want to be a European superpower, but at the moment lag behind many of their European competitors in the commercial stakes. Signing Neymar should both increase the value sponsors are willing to pay to be associated with the club and if his signing also brings success on the pitch, the PSG brand will become even more lucrative for brands to partner with.
"While the main aim of signing a new player for a club is to improve the playing quality of the team, the commercial value of a marquee signing has become ever more important. With a social media footprint of over 160 million, Neymar will certainly bring a lot of attention to the club. While his transfer fee won't be offset by merchandise and shirt sales, which tend to benefit the kit suppliers more than the club, the lift he will bring to the status of the club will certainly make them a more attractive proposition to other players, fans and brands."
The Neymar price tag deconstructed
http://www.campaignlive.co.uk/article/neymar-price-tag-deconstructed/1441298
Shirt sales, image rights, merchandise opportunities – will PSG's purchase of Barcelona's footballing genius Neymar lead to a revenue boost offsetting the £198m payment and enable the French league club to compete with sporting giants like Real Madrid? And what partnership opportunities await PSG following such an extraordinary investment?
Licensing Industry Merchandisers’ Association managing director Kelvyn Gardner said all revenue streams would have been analysed with historic image rights revenues also estimated.
"When a major club invests this sort of money, plus wages, in a player you can bet they’ve considered all the revenue streams and business-building opportunities. For instance, with a high-profile star like Neymar, image rights are invariably licensed to the club as part of the deal securing the player. This means the club has many opportunities to earn revenue from the use of the image—these include advertising and endorsements using the team and groups of players, sponsor packages and media outlets. Pace the current challenges to Cristiano Ronaldo on this front, it’s a big deal.
With a social media footprint of over 160 million, Neymar will certainly bring a lot of attention to the club "While it’s difficult to predict the exact revenue figures for Neymar’s image rights, retail sales of licensed sports merchandising amounted to over $24bn (£18.3bn) worldwide last year. With football being the world’s most popular sport and Neymar one of its biggest – and now most expensive – stars, it is obvious that his brand will generate a fair amount of money."
The global game
"In the wider battle to develop the PSG brand internationally, and to boost overall sales of merchandise featuring the club and their players, there is a tendency for football fans in countries such as China, Taiwan and Thailand to be somewhat fickle – they switch allegiance from one club to another depending, mainly, on a team’s success on the field. This is radically different from the attitude of a UK or European football fan who sticks by his or her team with almost religious devotion. Being seen to be buying the best talent is one way to counter a lack of success that could lose the interest and involvement of fans overseas (domestically it works, too, of course).
"Spending a huge amount of money on a globally recognised star shows an intent to succeed and establish market power. Buying a PSG replica shirt may not have been top of mind among Asian football fans, but with the chance now to add Neymar’s name in the traditional spot on the shirt back, you have a whole new ball-game, so to speak. Short-term, big boost in merchandise sold and long-term, the club’s profile rises; good for general commerce but also in enabling them to attract the ‘next Neymar’ over the world’s other big soccer clubs and brands. Maybe not quite an open goal for the club’s commercial department, but definitely a pass into space for their star business staff. Don’t expect the Neymar story to be the last of its kind."
The move enables PSG to compete commercially and to bolster its international kudos, MediaCom's vice-president of sport and entertainment Misha Sher said. "As it stands, there’s a huge amount of competition in the marketplace already, with many clubs competing for a small pool of five-star, world-class players.
"With a lot more channels and platforms on which to view content and watch sports – but a lot less time to do it these days – it’s never been more important for sports club to have a unique selling point to attract advertisers and sponsors. It’s unclear at this stage whether PSG will recoup the £450m including fees, wages and cuts for agents over the course of Neymar’s contract and beyond, but what it offers the club is something totally unique and a chance to compete commercially and reputationally with the likes of Real Madrid, Manchester United and, ironically, Barcelona."
Commercial winners
Sher also believes that Neymar's move to an arguably lesser league makes the deal all the more intriguing in terms of the potential commercial and cultural winners.
"Neymar’s move to Paris Saint-Germain transcends a business transaction; there’s a political, cultural and commercial aspect of this deal like we’ve never quite seen before. For one of the most iconic players in the world to move to a – some say – lesser league, Neymar’s transfer represents somewhat of a coup.
"The football broadcast rights will almost certainly increase as demand rockets to watch a genuine sports superstar join the French league. With the Qatari-backed PSG and the World Cup just around the corner, Qatar is also being seen as a big winner here, leveraging the transfer to raise its value and appeal."
Neymar is one of the most marketable athletes in the world and currently generates around 60% of his income from endorsements alone. Gillette, Nike and Qatar Airways are just a few of the brands to have featured the Brazilian's soccer skills in their advertising, and following the young player's mercurial rise on the global stage, he remains highly marketable.
Cake's head of analytics Dr Anna Semens said "Neymar is one of the most marketable athletes in the world and currently generates around 60% of his income from endorsements alone, so aside from his playing quality, PSG will benefit from his image and marketability."
"At just 25, he has the potential to be both the cornerstone of the team and also someone around whom to further develop the PSG brand. The club want to be a European superpower, but at the moment lag behind many of their European competitors in the commercial stakes. Signing Neymar should both increase the value sponsors are willing to pay to be associated with the club and if his signing also brings success on the pitch, the PSG brand will become even more lucrative for brands to partner with.
"While the main aim of signing a new player for a club is to improve the playing quality of the team, the commercial value of a marquee signing has become ever more important. With a social media footprint of over 160 million, Neymar will certainly bring a lot of attention to the club. While his transfer fee won't be offset by merchandise and shirt sales, which tend to benefit the kit suppliers more than the club, the lift he will bring to the status of the club will certainly make them a more attractive proposition to other players, fans and brands."
Are we supposed to be flattered by that?
This whining is just unseemly. If there is a problem, it'll be UEFA who deals with PSG. Your league isnt the arbiter of this issue.
This will cause a rivalry now between PSG and Barca. PSG are the overall winners here. So much publicity. Future balon dor player. It's an interesting move from a neutral perspective.
Well since Cavani knocked in 49 past year, Neymar has quite a lot of work ahead of him. More likely he'll be a better version of Lucas Moura.
I mostly agree! I'm not convinced it's entirely true to say his performances going forward prove his motives at this time - I think they only indicate his motives by the time he gets out on the pitch, which may have changed dramatically due to a whole host of environmental factors - but like you I'm keen to see how that turns out. If he does end up stepping down a gear or two then that will do unimaginable damage to PSG's cause, short-term and long-term. I happen to think he'll really enjoy the challenge and can be a catalyst for the French league moving ahead of the Serie A and Bundesliga in terms of global popularity/appeal, which is far more interest to me as a casual football fan than seeing Barcelona continue to dominate as he takes on a more prominent role. I actually expect Messi to be exceptional right into his mid-30s so I'm not convinced Neymar ever would've stepped out of his shadow.
Surely Neymar should be judged on more than just goals, given he's been a better creator than scorer for the entirety of his time in European football?
Now he's a world record signing I guess he's overrated and a flop and shit?
The release clause is interesting and of course the father will use it to press PSG but are not the clauses forbidden in France?
To be fair were probably the only club who could fairly buy out that clause.
Wonder what his new buy out is?
We don't know shit about neymar's life and lifestyle, why are you asserting he's set for life?
Are you projecting your life/how you live/would live onto how neymar lives/should live and then extrapolating that he's set for life?
Like I said, I think he's doing the right choice chasing his money, especially when he's accomplished all things he could accomplish as a sidekick, and will now be the main man and still be able to compete in what's regarded the crown of club football, with a very strong team, all the while earning considerably more. People are acting like the guy is going to China or something. Get your money breh.
Neymar: "My heart has chosen Paris"
Neymar: "My heart has chosen Paris"
This post make me wonder. Do people realize the hypocrisy of football fans and followers?
In the last decades, the new mentality among fans is that the right way to manage a club is to follow capitalistic and microeconomic concepts, in every threads of this forum someone will say that football is a business but when a player follow the same logic and take a decision based on his business interests, he is criticized. Neymar did what you advocated, he just followed your mantra:" Football is a business".
They won't win a CL even with him. They're not good enough overall to overtake the premier sides in Europe.
Couldn't say it better my self.
No, i am just against his hypocrisy.
With Neymar they've added matchwinning quality though. If they strengthen their back 5 too I can see them competing for the CL.
He could have earned more money in China...
Imagine he ended up being a bit shit for them.
Even he's not greedy enough to leave Barca and go to China for an extra 100-200k over the enormous wages he's already earning at PSG. Besides, with the new taxes in China for these clubs, it wouldn't have been an easy move/
I highly doubt it, but i understand you as P.S.G. fan
Indeed. China isn't a safe place: some players are no longer paid. Risky move from a financial perspective.
Only if he joins Manchester United, a proper club with history, while taking a 70% pay cut. Then he's allowed to say that he's a football man who only want to be the best.
But then, he's not Perisic who can provide real width, though.
What a mercenary, him and his father. He belongs in crap league that has zero recognition out of France
In fairness, he can walk them into the net in that league. We saw how easily Zlatan dominated there. He won't need to be a full-on striker to score loads.
He probably just misspoke.
You guys talk about Ligue 1 like it is non league Football.
You guys talk about Ligue 1 like it is non league Football.
The move by PSG to recruit Brazilian football player Neymar Da Silva Santos Jr is a play by Qatar to influence diplomacy through sports, French government spokesman Christophe Castaner said in an LCI television interview after the soccer team’s announcement. Qatar must still answer on terrorism and any role it may or may not play in financing it, he said.
Good man.
What made me chuckle was when Neymar said in his press conference that money had nothing to do with the move. Of cause it didn't you tax dodging little creep. As well as being one of the most overrated footballers around, he is also one of the most greediest.
We're not talking about the Moldovan 3rd division.
Funnily enough Ibrahimovic's and Cavani's records in Ligue 1 are comparable to their records in Serie A the season they left.
I've actually not seen much of this guy but by that pricing he must be twice as good as Pogba. Thoughts?
I wasn't being literal, but it's Neymar. He'll score loads against those teams.
Hard to say considering they play different positions, but historically strikers cost more than midfielders. He'll definitely get more headlines than Pogba, because he'll be the one scoring the goals that lead PSG to any success they may enjoy. Pogba could be equally influential in us winning things, but without the goals and assists it's harder to quantify.
A big element of the large fee (apart from the fact that it was a buyout clause that was set in stone) is that Neymar as a brand is lot more lucrative than Pogba. PSG just became a lot more interesting to non-French fans across the world, not just in Brazil.
Transfer fees are rarely as simple as "Player X cost £10m, Player Y is twice as good so is worth £20m". As absurd as it sounds, I think the Neymar fee can be justified, just like Pogba's fee to us last season wasn't as crazy as some said at the time.
He is the second or third best player in the world. Has the potential to make history for brazil.
Love Pogba, but in a vacuun, i'd rather neymar for €222M than pogba for €105M