Neymar joins PSG on a five year deal

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Everybody talks with players while they're on contract with some other team. Neymar can go if the buyout is paid. Who has a problem with that? My problem is that PSG is generating their revenue through fake sponsorship contracts with Qatar. They are basically owned by an oil state. That can't happen.

Wasn't Barca punished for hiding money in Neymar I? Now PSG need to be punished for generating their revenue to escape FFP with fake sponsorship contracts. Simple as that. If I own two companies, one that is producing pencils, and one that is doing something else, how can I transfer money between them? I sell to myself 100 10$ pencils at the price of 1000$ a piece.

So your main hate is because Neymar moves to a club which get their money from fake sponsorship?

How about if PSG give Barca 1 billion for Neymar? Would you still hate them?
 
PSG and City could still have all the best players in whatever they'd come up with.

Not to say I'd not like to see it happen, mind.

If you were to build a European super league from scratch how many clubs would you have from Manchester?
Qatar were smart and bought a franchise in a big city with one club...
 
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Everyone does this? Like I said couldnt be happening to a better team.
Fabregas is hardly forcing it off, is he?

And it was known for ages that Fabregas wanted out. Thats why United were always linked with him. The real tosser here is Cesc.
 
Everybody talks with players while they're on contract with some other team. Neymar can go if the buyout is paid. Who has a problem with that? My problem is that PSG is generating their revenue through fake sponsorship contracts with Qatar. They are basically owned by an oil state. That can't happen.

Wasn't Barca punished for hiding money in Neymar I? Now PSG need to be punished for generating their revenue to escape FFP with fake sponsorship contracts. Simple as that. If I own to companies, one that is producing pencils, and one that is doing something else, how can I transfer money between them? I sell to myself 100 10$ pencils at the price of 1000$ a piece.

There are no fake sponsorship contracts.

I'm sure some of you have discovered some countries like the UAE & Qatar thanks to PSG & City.

Those who rule these countries want to diversify their revenues, prepare the post-oil (gas for Qatar) period by acquiring diverse companies, show off at the international stage, have a soft power policy...

The sponsorship contracts are simply legal. The irony is....


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There are no fake sponsorship contracts.

I'm sure some of you have discovered some countries like the UAE & Qatar thanks to PSG & City.

Those who rule these countries want to diversify their revenues, prepare the post-oil (gas for Qatar) period by acquiring diverse companies, show off at the international stage, have a soft power policy...

The sponsorship contracts are simply legal. The irony is....


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OK, so you posted photos from a normal sponsorship contract between Barcelona and Qatar Airways. Never said Barca refused to deal with Qatar Companies. How is that relevant.

Sources say QSI will pay Neymar for 300m. to promote Qatar's World Cup. Neymar will take that money probably and pay his clause. QSI owns PSG. Spot the difference. Qatar pays for PSG's transfer through QSI and they do that by way of fake sponsorship contracts.
 
That's because there are more arguments, not just one. It's easy to see the differences between what happened with Fabregas and this Neymar situation. There are so many of them.
Indeed, PSG acted professionally and bid the release clause Barca put into Neymar's contract. With Fabregas, Barca used every mean possible to unsettle him and lowball Arsenal.
 
OK, so you posted photos from a normal sponsorship contract between Barcelona and Qatar Airways. Never said Barca refused to deal with Qatar Companies.
I've always suspected Qatar wanted to buy Barcelona. When they realised it wasn't possible they bought PSG and now their trying to buy their players...
 
Indeed, PSG acted professionally and bid the release clause Barca put into Neymar's contract. With Fabregas, Barca used every mean possible to unsettle him and lowball Arsenal.

You already told me you hate Barca, no need to do it again.
 
If you were to build a European super league from scratch how many clubs would you have from Manchester?
Qatar were smart and bought a franchise in a big city with one club...
I support United mate, through and through. Is that a rhetorical question?:lol:

Wouldn't stop us getting sold to Abu Dhabi, which some on here might like..,
 
OK, so you posted photos from a normal sponsorship contract between Barcelona and Qatar Airways. Never said Barca refused to deal with Qatar Companies. How is that relevant.

Sources say QSI will pay Neymar for 300m. to promote Qatar's World Cup. Neymar will take that money probably and pay his clause. QSI owns PSG. Spot the difference. Qatar pays for PSG's transfer through QSI and they do that by way of fake sponsorship contracts.

Qatar sponsors Barcelona. Why?

Curious to discover your (creative :wenger:) answer.
 
Haaaa Ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaa

Barca you are a joke. By all means complain abut FFP, because its not a balanced situation. But when you do this exact thing to, say, Sevilla to claim their best players.

How can you honestly complain about being out muscled financially ? And then make some sort of plan to group all clubs against them because, (wait for it) its not fair? You and Real need a kick up the arse, good on PSG.
 
Qatar sponsors Barcelona. Why?

Curious to discover your (creative :wenger:) answer.

Because they paid us 30 something million euros a year. It was a normal exchange of serices between two entities, FC Barcelona and Qatar Airways. Same as Madrid with Fly Emirates for example.
 
I've always suspected Qatar wanted to buy Barcelona. When they realised it wasn't possible they bought PSG and now their trying to buy their players...

The Sheikh wanted to buy Manchester United but it was deemed too expensive and the Glazers weren't interested by a sale.
 
Which part of my previous post is inaccurate in any way?

Well, for once, they didn't pay the release clause, so they talked with a player under contract with Barcelona without the club's consent.
 
That's a slightly different debate and I agree with you on the fact that we need to protect clubs from reckless owners. Now we shouldn't be naive, Sugar daddies of yesterday are exactly like Sugar daddies of today, they use clubs as toys, billboard or source of income.

Glad you understand the point I was trying to make. Also, of course, owners will never want to be out of pocket but, Abromovic being a casing point, originally it was all a play thing for him and then realised, the club had to be self sufficient. Whereas clubs like City & PSG still rely heavily in their owners.
 
Because they paid 30 something million euros a year.

I have written "Why?"... and not "Which consequences?"

I want you to enlighten us about the rationale of the deal: why is Qatar happy to fund Barcelona?
 
I have written "Why?"... and not "Which consequences?"

I want you to enlighten us about the rationale of the deal: why is Qatar happy to fund Barcelona?

Because Barca was the best team in the world at the time. Not sure what you're after. When Qatar didn't want to pay more, Barca moved to Rakuten.
 
It's past that point. The fans and his teammates are pissed off. He is gone, so the sooner he moves, the better it is for all parties involved.



Purely a coincidence that Madrid and Barca, the two most successful clubs of the last decades are the most hated here. I find that hard to believe.
Not even close.

Neither would make my top 5
 
I have a bigger issue with Sheiks buying toys and messing with global Football, while exploiting poor migrant workers using the equivalent of modern day slave labor to build their own countries infrastructure instead of paying a fair wage. A country with such an appalling record of how they treat their workforce should not be paying 200m for a footballer.
 
feck Barca.
They are still getting 220m for a player. Take the money and feck off.
 
Well, for once, they didn't pay the release clause, so they talked with a player under contract with Barcelona without the club's consent.
Do you have any proof of that? They could have only talked to his agent?
 
Because they paid us 30 something million euros a year. It was a normal exchange of serices between two entities, FC Barcelona and Qatar Airways. Same as Madrid with Fly Emirates for example.
What he's getting at is that Qatar used Barca to better their own image. They're using Neymar for the same reasons with 2022 just around the corner. You might say conflict of interest, but you can't complain about shadiness of Qatari money when you've been funded by it in recent years.
 
Because Barca was the best team in the world at the time. Not sure what you're after. When Qatar didn't want to pay more, Barca moved to Rakuten.

There is a missing link in your way of thinking.

To sponsor a club like Barcelona and own a football club like PSG.... are part of the same strategy: develop the "Brand Qatar".
 
Glad you understand the point I was trying to make. Also, of course, owners will never want to be out of pocket but, Abromovic being a casing point, originally it was all a play thing for him and then realised, the club had to be self sufficient. Whereas clubs like City & PSG still rely heavily in their owners.

I actually think that PSG will be fine in the future, the owners are putting less money through sponsors and replace them with "normal" ones, also the club have always had a big pull in France and Qatar are exploiting it.
 
No

The hypocrisy is Barca's subsequent actions since it was evident that they have lost Neymar.

Threatening to report PSG to UEFA(PSG still have a whole month to sell of players in a market with inflated prices too), forming a band of sides to deal with PSG.

@giorno explained it best, they are behaving exactly liked they did when they lost Ronaldo. Like a spoilt brat that hasnt gotten their way.

They have forgotten all the underhanded stuff that they themselves had to do to sign Neymar. Its just hypocritical.

no...

Glass houses my friend. How did you think we got Berbatov and other players in the past... every club has done it and to deny that means you have a different view on the actual reality so there is no point discussing it much further.

I will say however that the main point is NOT the fact that another club is triggering a release clause its that another club can play by a different set of rules and spend money well above their revenue and get away with it. Let's see if you are so celebratory when they start doing it to our star players.

the end.
 
Legally what is preventing a company from paying a sponsorship deal to a player?

Even if it is blatantly crooked?
 
no...

Glass houses my friend. How did you think we got Berbatov and other players in the past... every club has done it and to deny that means you have a different view on the actual reality so there is no point discussing it much further.

I will say however that the main point is NOT the fact that another club is triggering a release clause its that another club can play by a different set of rules and spend money well above their revenue and get away with it. Let's see if you are so celebratory when they start doing it to our star players.

the end.
Who don't have release clauses. :D
 
What he's getting at is that Qatar used Barca to better their own image. They're using Neymar for the same reasons with 2022 just around the corner. You might say conflict of interest, but you can't complain about shadiness of Qatari money when you've been funded by in recent years.

I'm not complaining about the shadiness of Qatar money, only about the shady way in which they get to PSG. Namely, it's hilarious to have FFP regulations and don't take measures against fake sponsorship contracts which in the end, do what FFP tries to stop.
 
Who don't have release clauses. :D

lol, yeah somebody else already stated but I already responded. The vast majority of players don't have release clauses and yet they still get sold. A player can ask to leave and the club have to sell as we have seen a few clubs have tried to dig their heals in but only lasted a short time because the did not want the toxic vibe in their camp.
 
I have a bigger issue with Sheiks buying toys and messing with global Football, while exploiting poor migrant workers using the equivalent of modern day slave labor to build their own countries infrastructure instead of paying a fair wage. A country with such an appalling record of how they treat their workforce should not be paying 200m for a footballer.

I agree. Modern slavery in the Middle East
 
I support United mate, through and through. Is that a rhetorical question?:lol:

Wouldn't stop us getting sold to Abu Dhabi, which some on here might like..,
Very much rhetorical. Although the marketing and TV people would come up with the same answer as us.
 
Because teams like Leeds, Portsmouth, Blackburn and Villa have become nearly non existent because of their owners. Look at the Chinese Super league, there are talks going on that that 13 teams or so will have to come out of the league, as they can't afford to pay their players.

Times have changed since the owners of the teams you mentioned above, were owned by sugar daddies. They were run for the love of the club. Wanting the best for the club. Heck, some of the sugar daddies themselves nearly become skint because of it. Now it's the opposite.

Surely this should help you why my original statement was made.

But the owners of PSG and Chelsea and Manchester City do seem to have the interests of their clubs at heart, whatever their motives for doing so. Is it that different to the glory years of Moratti at Inter and Berlusconi at AC Milan?

It would be dangerous for the clubs if their owners weren't to try to maximise their revenues to reinvest them - but a large injection of money at the start of a club's reinvention is almost required thanks to the way football has developed. I can't really have a problem with it as far as football is concerned (the morality of how the money was made is a different story, but then the same is true for the finances and behaviour of the sponsors and owners of previously established teams. I mean, just look at the detestable Stan Kroenke).
 
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