So as long as Woodward handles the player contracts correctly, we get to extort huge fees from them, not a disaster.
Neymar joins PSG on a five year deal
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Exactly the point. Qatar gives money to a player so that player can pay his release clause and sign for a club funded by Qatar. If that is not punishable under FFP regulation, it means FFP stands for nothing and is effectively dead.
well quite. Just shows how money will always find a way.
At least this ambassordial role has the slimmest veneer of legitimacy.
We all know it's bs but also we all know that FIFA won't do a fecking thing about it.
Unless there are root and branch changes in FIFA then this sort of caper will be waved through. And we all know that won't happen anytime soon. Because you know £
In theory, everybody should be happy:
- Last year, Barcelona was happy to renew the contract of Neymar with a release clause of 220 millions
- Last year, Neymar renewed his contract because of the pay rise and the release clause
- PSG happy to acquire him
Fully agree
- Last year, Barcelona was happy to renew the contract of Neymar with a release clause of 220 millions
- Last year, Neymar renewed his contract because of the pay rise and the release clause
- PSG happy to acquire him
Fully agree
I do not know why some are putting so much heart in what is fundamentally a circus. For once, one of the biggest clowns owns his big master and we are not allowed to laugh? Dybala is for sale at 120m euros, even 110m if they want him fast. Go ahead, make us laugh.
United have never gone to the depths Barca did with Fabregas. Or the skeletons of the Neymar deal.
You seem to be missing what I am saying. People are criticising Barca for their hypocrisy. They provoked PSG into such a reaction.
Whether this is fair or not financially is a totally separate argument.
This is thining. It kind of is when you can't keep your best players. What good is the money if you can't compete top players or yours are sold to 1 or 2 clubs.
People need a wakeup call, if they think that the Owners of PSG and City are fecking around they need to wake up and smell the tadpoles. They will go any length financial or otherwise to dominate.
I agree. Its amazing that people think United wouldn't throw their weight around if they were winning CLs every other year and had an amazing team to boast about. We've been involved in shady deals too.
Surprised at the vitriol directed at Barca too, going as far as to call them them worse than Real for tapping up players. Fecking amazing...
A lot of speculations about the financial and legal package.
I expect a deal straight-forward because PSG knows that UEFA isn't a stupid organization.
Players move, we couldn't do much when Ronaldo wanted to move.
Give us one example of Real doing what Barca did with Cesc.
indeed, finaly someone with a bit of reasoning.
Also even when FIFA or whoever dish out the odd ceremonial punishment to fool people into "look we punish clubs that breach it" it is considered nothing by these clubs but a mere "luxury tax" that they can just pay and trounce all over FFP over and over again.
You got it wrong. Barca fans don't blame PSG for contacting Neymar and convincing him to leave the club. We don't keep players who do not want to play for FC Barcelona. If he cared about being a Barca legend Neymar would've told them to get lost. He is a money-first player so he can go. That's not a player to lead the club after Messi.
Barca fans are mad because PSG is making a mockery of UEFA and their good-for-nothing FFP regulations. We have been fined and banned from making transfers when we messed up with Neymar and minor player dealings. PSG should be banned as well.
Yep exactly. All reasonable people know that clubs do these shady things and these are just the ones we know about. What is strange is that Madrid have been found wanting in this often amongst other things officially more than Barca but yeah they are worse than madrid?
Exactly my point
Should PSG be banned if they sell 100 mil worth of talent? Because then they will have spent less than City ,Milan and United in net terms.
If they sign Neymar, they will obviously sell a number of players.
Juventus is brilliant when it comes to doing good business
So many smart acquisitions. The case of Higuain is interesting: Juve doesn't like to spend a lot of money but did with Higuain - because like Neymar - a game-changer can make a team win on his own
Feck the Cesc thing. He wanted to come to United at one stage too. Its no surprise he ended up back at home
Go have a look at Figo, Zidane, Ronaldo and RvN. Their projects, missing pieces and seemingly everyone involved with the club talking about players in the media. Short memories in here...
PSG has to give Neymar the money to pay the buyout. Not QSI, not some other Qatar organization. Everybody and their dog knows Qatar = PSG. So, if PSG just happens to benefit from Neymar signing a very big contract with Qatar just in time to pay his buyout and join them, they need to be severely punished.
It's PSG's job to find a way to land Neymar without making a mockery out of any rule regarding financial fair play. If they do that, fine by me.
I agree with that.
But PSG can still pay the money and sellof a number of players. Then they would not break FFP.
And PSG have a month to achieve that.
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Not sure they have a month. If Neymar gets back to Barcelona, he's going to get a lot of heat from the fans. He needs to go as quickly as possible for all parties involved.
Barca fans concerned about the FFP... Touching
Why wouldn't we? We generate 700m. revenue through hard work to find sponsors, sell tickets and merchandise the Barca brand. Not by signing fake contracts for 150m. with City Council to promote the great beaches of Barcelona.
So PSG would go through the Neymar deal and all other deals this summer. UEFA will look into it once season starts and if found guilty, will appropriately ban them from buying anymore players.
Fair enough?
Edit: And add the time taken for PSG to appeal and UEFA to make a decision etc.
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What determines a release clause figure? In hindsight, why didn't Barcelona but an even higher release clause when he signed his new contract? Real Madrid for example put a 1 billion euro release clause for Ronaldo to essentially guarantee no chance of it being triggered.
Juventus is brilliant when it comes to doing good business
The case of Higuain is interesting: Juve doesn't like to spend a lot of money but did with Higuain - because like Neymar - a game-changer can make a team win on his own
Cheers. To be fair, Marotta squandered 90m on Higuain to make the accounting books even and avoid paying 40% to 50% taxes on the big capital gain from Pogba's fee. Therefore, if Dybala goes for 110m euros, he will do the same with Cancelo, Keita Balde, de Vrij or Manolas and Milinkovic Savic.
He can cope with it.
Plus the month I was talking about was about selling players.
PSG can sign Neymar whenever they want. Beauty of a buyout clause.
Barca's signing of Neymar for '£65 million' was the dodgiest transfer in the history of dodgy transfers.
No idea why their fans are uptight about this transfer being dodgy in terms of FFP.
No idea why their fans are uptight about this transfer being dodgy in terms of FFP.
The player must agree to it for one.
Milan wanted to put a ridiculous clause in Dona' s contract. He refused and they relented to something lower.
We don't know what the deal is yet or even if there is (or will) be a deal. If PSG do something against whatever FFP currently is then they should be sanctioned. If they've found a loophole they've found a loophole. Perhaps it will be closed but that wouldn't mean anything for this deal.
People have been declaring FFP dead for a couple of years now so it wouldn't surprise me if there were more loopholes than sanctions left. But what do you expect when big clubs play fast and loose with the rules? Football might well be headed for disaster but PSG are no more to blame than those who came before them.
People have been declaring FFP dead for a couple of years now so it wouldn't surprise me if there were more loopholes than sanctions left. But what do you expect when big clubs play fast and loose with the rules? Football might well be headed for disaster but PSG are no more to blame than those who came before them.
We'll see if he can cope with it or not.
Neymar transfer from Santos was tricky and it involved a lot of different payments to different owners. We got fined a lot for that. And Barca fans didn't play the victim but blame the board, Rosell & CO.
Barca have no issues with FFP, just like United or Madrid don't. All 3 generate close to or even over 700m. in revenue. And real revenue, not fake one.
Nothing and it is the biggest flaw in the regulations that allow a player to buy himself out of their contract. The rules assumed that a players salary from his clubs would always dwarf other commercial income.
This Neymar deal opens up the possibility that brands own players (Nike, adidas, Emirates, Qatar Airways) and directing their careers for their benefit. 3rd party ownership by another means.
Yet it is the Barca fans on this very forum that have no qualms when it's holy Pep doing it at City.
Choose a side and stick to it.
Nobody from Barca cares about Pep at City outside of his football vision. Actually, he just stole us a great La Masia talent, so he can just feck off as well. Do you think Barca fans support City as a club because Pep is there?
Please...Interesting which makes me think Neymar to PSG has quietly been in the pipeline for quite some time. Because surely Barca would've thought his release clause wouldn't be triggered when they settled on their number. They likely felt it was out of reach but meanwhile Neymar reps were likely negotiating with PSG on how much they could pay when the time comes. It's a conspiracy theory but his actions this summer make it seem very plausible.
Can't wait to see what kind of tricks Barca play to get their targets now everyone knows how much money they're getting.
Last year, PSG was ready to pay more than 180 millions to acquire him: a saga between June and July IIRC whose outcome was the renewals of Neymar's contract.
In the past, PSG has worked hard to try to attract Messi and especially Cristiano.
On here, most definitely.Nobody from Barca cares about Pep at City outside of his football vision. Actually, he just stole us a great La Masia talent, so he can just feck off as well. Do you think Barca fans support City as a club because Pep is there?
The cult of Pep is very strong.
I think so too.
So what's the issue here? If PSG breach FFP, they ll get fined and get transfer banned like Barca.
Does FFP dictate that a transfer should be stopped before it happens?
Maybe they support only the playing style, not the club itself or Pep as a person.
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