It is clear that PSG should look to avoid breaking FFP rules though, it won't be worth it.
Neymar joins PSG on a five year deal
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Unlike with Di Maria situation year ago, Neymar has big commercial value that arguably in a year help ease up this release clause to significant amount. PSG can sell their exess players formgood fee to make up some too, somI don't see it as that bad given the crazy price of low tier player with little commercial value has given Neymar ezpense a different look all together now.
Worst case scenario, PSG can theorically easily offload Neymar & recoup full price this time next year to meet FFP deadline if it come to that with Neymar pretty much pay for his stay in Paris with the income he brought to the club.
Dream Bigger and respect FFP!You have forgotten the Dream Bigger motto
I have absolutely no worry that we will comply with the rules. The Barca board is just posturing, using FFP to try to distract their fans from their own failure.
We can agree to disagree, so I will leave this discussion after this post.
Excuse me if I am wrong, but sound like you're talking about possession dominance here rather than as a force winning team. That Barcelona may still dominate possession to large extend, but they would be prone much more to be frustrated & left themselves open for the taking. Countless time Messi came to rescue thus got to the point.
The platform factor other team might not reach Barcelona, but taking Messi out, our team with Ronaldo or Real Madrid with Ronaldo would edge that Barcelona team.
Peak Alves couldn't displace Maicon. Puyol, Pique can be good on all but other CB partnership during this period in pure defensive point of view were considered higher: Rio- Vida. Take Messi out, then David Villa here would have come up against Ronaldo in comparison. That left you with only the midfield, which as time proved, they need an outlet or they're stuck with possession dominance & failed to win game. It's possible to win game without winning possession battle.
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Holy... Just came up to the page with "loyal bonus" for Neymar.
I see where you're getting at. But, here's the thing. Pep's Barca never had a problem in converting possession into goal scoring chances. Except maybe on Stanford Bridge in 2009. So, even without Messi, they could have turned possession into chances, because of their midfield being the best in the world by far. And they had skilled attacking players like Henry, Eto'o, Villa, Pedro, and whoever would have played instead of Messi, who you can be sure would've been another great player. When I say Barca without Messi, I mean Barca without Messi and another great player instead of him.
No, but he doesn't have to be in this case. UEFA have no power to stop PSG from signing Neymar, and it's up to PSG to ensure they don't break FFP rules. UEFA have no obligation, nor power, to force teams to obey FFP rules
No. But they can penalize teams who break the FFP. And that's a big deal. If PSG is banned for a year from Champions League for example, that would be a big hit for them.
It'll be absolutely hilarious if Neymar picks up his loyalty bonus, then promptly leaves for another huge signing on bonus
Barca fans complaining about PSG's recruitment strategy are hypocrites given that the transfer of Neymar from Santos to Barca wasn't exactly clean.
Well, we all know that Neymar (and his Dad) is a massive cnut.
They probably leave to evade tax issues in Spain.
Thing is Neymar brings in very much in commercial value. If anything, I have been saying Barcelona is the one who would be in for big trouble in long run replacing Neymar commercial value as well as replacing his ability on the pitch (let's not revisit there as we already come to a point of agree to disagree via Messi reference).
Thing is replacing Neymar would eat up plenty of that release fee with current market rate with team doesn't budge & Barcelona is now in for the late wave wasting 2 months & potential vital groundwork in season. Neymar brand brings more to Barcelona that the extra left from signing his main replacement.
One can argue Barcelona was well & healthy before Neymar signings, but I argue time change. Back then Barcelona future look bright without Neymar signing as their core were strong as well as their supposed successor in Thiago, Cesc... looks promising. Now that area is yet convincingly replaced, if not at all. They can sign player for reasonable price. Now arguably some third rate team in PL like Everton can put in some cheeky bid that match Barcelona bid for certain profile of player. And Real Madrid is edging Barcelona, which Barcelona can't just stay still lest risking completely losing brand battle. Even at their dominance period. Barcelona could't beat Madrid in commercial value. Now it this comes to this, Madrid may be able to create a gap in power for the future. I meant seeing how Madrid can sell their excess for pretty much Neymar money (taking into,account of James eventual fee), while keeping their stars &a revenue intact, they have plenty to add into their rank, and boost the income again.
I still remember that interview when Florentino said signing Neymar would be too complicated and would cost over 150 mil €.
5 years later I'm astounded by the level of incompetence from people running Barcelona. They are paying way too much money to Messi and Neymar (loyalty bonus that is triggered in the middle of the transfer period means he is getting paid more then 40 mil € net for last season....and they still let him (again) leave for his sisters birthday. That game they lost to Deportivo could have also won them the league if he was playing..
And now Barto is saving face by threatening to go to UEFA with I don't know what, but to actually say that after he himself is/was on trial for corruption over signing that same player That really is Barcelona football club in a nutshell.
5 years later I'm astounded by the level of incompetence from people running Barcelona. They are paying way too much money to Messi and Neymar (loyalty bonus that is triggered in the middle of the transfer period means he is getting paid more then 40 mil € net for last season....and they still let him (again) leave for his sisters birthday. That game they lost to Deportivo could have also won them the league if he was playing..
And now Barto is saving face by threatening to go to UEFA with I don't know what, but to actually say that after he himself is/was on trial for corruption over signing that same player
That really is Barcelona football club in a nutshell.Sure, Uefa has no power to stop them from buying Neymar, but they can stop them from playing in their tournaments and the sole purpose of this PSG team is winning the CL, so i doubt they don't care about that.
I agree that we will pay a lot of money to replace Neymar, and that, whoever we sign, will be a downgrade, at least on paper if not in practice. Barcelona at this point are forced to trust in their La Masia more, and to me, that is a plus. Yes, most likely we'll not find a new Xavi or a new Messi there, but the reality is that we don't need to. Just look at Madrid and what they've done with Casemiro, who, let's be honest is not at all a special talent of any kind.
I look at Sergi Roberto, and he is improving every game. In 1 year he could be a starting midfielder with absolute ease, and he has already played amazing in two back to back clasicos on Bernabeu (4-0 and 3-2 wins). I see Alena and in 2 games he has shown the kind of maturity that is far beyond his age. He is potentially a future great midfielder.
More than losing Neymar, what is hurting Barcelona is signing players for a lot of money that just aren't better than what we can supply with our Academy. Roberto is a better midfielder than Gomes/Arda and is possibly better than Rakitic as well. Alena needs to play at this point, he just oozes talent. If the new manager makes the right moves, Barcelona will build a new generation. Messi and Suarez have 4 more years of top football in them. Yes, we've lost Neymar, but it's very likely that a new young star will come in his place, be it Coutinho, Dybala, Dembele, Mbappe or whoever. Not as good as Neymar, but not only the better players form the better team. The greatest trio in the world didn't give us a single goal vs Juventus. They all played pretty shit. Other things count more, it's not always that the best players will form the best team.
As for the rivalry with Madrid, they've just won their first title in the last 5 years. Sure, they could enter a dominating period with this recent CL - La Liga double, but let's not forget that a lot of their core players are approaching 30 years old or are already past that, like Ramos, Ronaldo, Modric, Benzema. That's arguably Madrid best 3-4 players. They need to change their leaders as well, as they naturally age. They're very much in the same spot as we are, but the difference is they have the momentum. This momentum can or can't lead to a period of domination for them in Spain. We shall see this season.
I still remember that interview when Florentino said signing Neymar would be too complicated and would cost over 150 mil €.
5 years later I'm astounded by the level of incompetence from people running Barcelona. They are paying way too much money to Messi and Neymar (loyalty bonus that is triggered in the middle of the transfer period means he is getting paid more then 40 mil € net for last season....and they still let him (again) leave for his sisters birthday. That game they lost to Deportivo could have also won them the league if he was playing..
And now Barto is saving face by threatening to go to UEFA with I don't know what, but to actually say that after he himself is/was on trial for corruption over signing that same player
FFS, you reminded me who was my 150m source, it was Perez.
Barce been schooled haven't they. Bidding and trying to unsettle Verratti all summer for PSG to turn round and activate one of their best players release clause.
PSG have no worries about ffp the reports are bollocks. Worst case scenario they cant sell Di Maria etc they'll sign a new sponsorship deal worth about £200m to balance the books.
PSG have no worries about ffp the reports are bollocks. Worst case scenario they cant sell Di Maria etc they'll sign a new sponsorship deal worth about £200m to balance the books.
So will this be his final big club move or will it be PSG>Big Club>Decline(Smaller club)?
With that dad of his, I do not rule out a move if the circumstances are not to his liking? City some years from now?
I wonder if his sisters birthday is written into his contract? I wouldn't be surprised if the Qatari's flew in half of Rio's carnival to Paris to keep him happy.
It's gonna be more than €222m, in Spain if the selling team for doesn't want to sell the buying club has to pay the full release clause + tax to the Spanish government. That's why Griezmann was gonna cost a lot more than £80m. That's my understanding anyway.
If he stays for 3 years he will be 28. Like you, I can only see City being in for him, us I doubt it. Madrid no, Bayern no, other english clubs no, Italian clubs no.
Problem is those great Barcelona teams were built on waves of La Mansia products. Not just one wave, meaning the blend of experience & youth. Raw talent is still the core of any development program. You can't turn Smalling into ball playing like Pique no matter how many you do. The current wave of quality which is Sergie Roberto, Delofeu, Ranfinha... fall extremely short from their predecessors. Which my point is if Barcelona is to build this generation as the Puyol & Xavi (experienced heads) of the teams, then it would likely fail. So the foundation for a renewed team yet to be built, while Barcelona may be facing the need to replace star man in Messi soon, and losing Neymar is a big hit into this. Barcelona hit a jackpot transiting from Ronaldinho to Messi, otherwise they would be facing the similar issue of taking long from Cruyff dream team back to the very top of European football going the La Mansia route.
I claim no knowledge of internal Barcelona situation, but by the sound of it externally, La Mansia is no longer the same. Recruitment for external Spanish talents, Barcelona is also losing to Real Madrid in quite some notable cases recently. Per Dybala, Dembele, Mbappe... They don't seem to move this summer. The fee may get crazier next summer so as I said, Neymar release fee may end up not helping much. Let's not forget those players would be high in demand. If Barcelona looks underwhelming for the coming season, the chance those young players would like to join other project is huge.
We'll see what happens. We didn't get the chance to see Roberto in midfield very often. In my opinion, he is extremely underrated. Rakitic is also a very good player, Busquets is the best DM in the world, and Alena looks to be the real deal. Madrid has indeed picked up some talents like Ceballos, Asensio and Theo, but they are not such great talents that we can't find in our La Masia. They are pretty far from Xavi and Iniesta's level as well. Things can change very quickly in football, and Barca still has about 2 years to rejuvenate the squad properly. They have done so in defence with Umtiti and Semedo already.
The problem is Real Madrid have a stacked squad - their second team performed well anytime they had to during the last campaign, giving much needed rest to their starters when needed. Barca not only didn't have that luxury, but they seemed like an incomplete team (no RB, Mascherano as CB, missing a central midfielder).
This summer Barcelona was in need of some major reinforcements in key areas and for a while, it seemed like they were on course to remedy them (Semedo, Verratti was talked about, Paulinho oh well), but instead of that they are forced to deal with Neymar who signed a contract last year. This is a major failure by the board.
All the while Real Madrid are cleaning up all worthy Spanish talent for peanuts (Ceballos, Theo, Llorente, Asensio the year before), and selling their benchwarmers (Morata, Danilo) for a king's ransom.
Barca will win nothing this year.
Morata was their best player outside of the first 11 possibly. So that's a loss, as they won't won't find a squad player as good as him, or James for that matter. I'd say you wait some more until you say so certainly that Barca won't win anything this year. This story about Barca being done has been said at least 3-4 times before, and we all know what happened.
this is incredible5 years later I'm astounded by the level of incompetence from people running Barcelona. They are paying way too much money to Messi and Neymar (loyalty bonus that is triggered in the middle of the transfer period means he is getting paid more then 40 mil € net for last season....and they still let him (again) leave for his sisters birthday. That game they lost to Deportivo could have also won them the league if he was playing..
You might win the Super Cup, but don't see this Barca lasting the full campaign of La Liga and/or CL. Get ready for more 4-0 and 3-0 by teams like PSG, Bayern, Juve that can beat your system. Messi is in decline and you're being forced to sell his heir. Haven't replaced Xavi, nor Iniesta. Go back further, never replaced Puyol. This Barca is a skeleton of the 2009-2011 version.
5 years later I'm astounded by the level of incompetence from people running Barcelona. They are paying way too much money to Messi and Neymar (loyalty bonus that is triggered in the middle of the transfer period means he is getting paid more then 40 mil € net for last season....and they still let him (again) leave for his sisters birthday. That game they lost to Deportivo could have also won them the league if he was playing..
Absolute state of Barca
I still remember that interview when Florentino said signing Neymar would be too complicated and would cost over 150 mil €.
5 years later I'm astounded by the level of incompetence from people running Barcelona. They are paying way too much money to Messi and Neymar (loyalty bonus that is triggered in the middle of the transfer period means he is getting paid more then 40 mil € net for last season....and they still let him (again) leave for his sisters birthday. That game they lost to Deportivo could have also won them the league if he was playing..
The bonus to the agent (Neymar Sr.) was probably an indirect salary payment to Neymar Jr in order to avoid taxes. There's so many crooked deals going on between the greedy Neymar entourage / Barca board, I'm happy they're being taken to the cleaners.
Also, Spain is a banana republic when it comes to taxes, the Hacienda is a joke and they're always two steps behind. No wonder tax fraud by athletes happens on a large scale in Spain, but not in the UK, Germany, France, Italy etc.
Only one big name to balance out a 220millions euros signing ? At leas 2 big players will have to leave
Barca want to sign coutinho, di maria, paulinho and one top player (Griezmann/dembele/dyBala).
Coutinho is being negotiated and coming week is key with fee of 80-100 million euros. They may let Rafinha go to Liverpool.
Barca is intending to pay paulinho clause of 40 million euros.
There were reports in italy that dybala's price is set at 120 million euros. Looks like Neymar is being treated as fore gone conclusion and now its how barca spend that money. Surely Grizzy wont move this year? I think barca have always been interested in Dybala and maybe they will try and get him.
Barcelona's board have botched transfers badly the past 2 summers.
I could see that happening again with the Neymar money.
I could see that happening again with the Neymar money.
All those players listed here combined would cost more than what Barcelona to receive from Neymar fee. PSG alone would feck Barcelona over Di Maria for messing with Verratti earlier. Let not forget PSG is paying Neymar release clause &a not negotiating with Barcelona
If they were to pull this off, they'd be much better off than keeping Neymar with an unbalanced squad imo. They'd need to use some of their own cash too, though.
These papers do talk complete rubbish. €30m net. That would work out at nearly £1m a week before tax. Not even the likes of Messi and Ronaldo are getting anywhere near that.
I still remember that interview when Florentino said signing Neymar would be too complicated and would cost over 150 mil €.
5 years later I'm astounded by the level of incompetence from people running Barcelona. They are paying way too much money to Messi and Neymar (loyalty bonus that is triggered in the middle of the transfer period means he is getting paid more then 40 mil € net for last season....and they still let him (again) leave for his sisters birthday. That game they lost to Deportivo could have also won them the league if he was playing..
And now Barto is saving face by threatening to go to UEFA with I don't know what, but to actually say that after he himself is/was on trial for corruption over signing that same player
And to think they have 'more than a club' as their motto. Less than ten years ago they didn't have sponsorship on their shirt as they thought they were above it all. They seem to be in a right mess at the moment. When Messi declines over the next 3-5 years they could be in trouble.
What planet are you on?
That is exactly what Messi and Ronaldo on.
Please use Google and educate yourself on 2017 sports finances.
Fraud and tax evasion are probably the two biggest reasons why Spain's economy is Dog shit.
I was very sceptical of Neymar when he first broke through as next great YouTube world beater and moved to Barca for silly money, but I'll readily admit that he's proved himself as a World Class player whose largely lived up to the hype. However, this can't help but feel like a huge step backwards in his progression as a footballer.
His entourage will obviously spin it as an aspirational move. Part of his inherent desire to branch out to fulfil his potential, yadayadayada, but even disregarding the lesser competitional level of Ligue 1, the fact he can't seem to abide taking second billing to a player widely regarded as a potential GOAT, after a meagre 3 and a bit years, says a lot about his mentality and maturity as a team player. Preferring to be the biggest fish in a smaller pond is rarely if ever the path to greatness, and somehow manages to insult both clubs by association. He'll more than likely be a success in the short term, but if he balks at being overshadowed at an elite successful side, how will he react when PSG inevitably try to reach that level by buying the next expensive marquee flavour of the month? If he's unhappy being an important cog in an already world class team, how can they build a nouveau world class team around him, without risking putting his nose out of joint? That sounds like a terrible pivot for any project.
His entourage will obviously spin it as an aspirational move. Part of his inherent desire to branch out to fulfil his potential, yadayadayada, but even disregarding the lesser competitional level of Ligue 1, the fact he can't seem to abide taking second billing to a player widely regarded as a potential GOAT, after a meagre 3 and a bit years, says a lot about his mentality and maturity as a team player. Preferring to be the biggest fish in a smaller pond is rarely if ever the path to greatness, and somehow manages to insult both clubs by association. He'll more than likely be a success in the short term, but if he balks at being overshadowed at an elite successful side, how will he react when PSG inevitably try to reach that level by buying the next expensive marquee flavour of the month? If he's unhappy being an important cog in an already world class team, how can they build a nouveau world class team around him, without risking putting his nose out of joint? That sounds like a terrible pivot for any project.
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Good. They're a cnutish club with even worse fans.
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