Neymar joins PSG on a five year deal
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Word from Spain is that if PSG activates the clause, Barsa will immediately report them to UEFA for violating FFP.
Get the popcorn ready, this is getting good.
Get the popcorn ready, this is getting good.
And the UEFA will tell them that it's not their problem until the transfer window is closed, at which point PSG better have balanced their finance otherwise a CL ban will probably be heading their way.
Are you a fortune teller to know exactly what's going to happen?
To think that just a few weeks ago Barca were aggressively tapping up PSG' s best player.
Certainly no love lost between the two.
What the? I've never heard this story, but it's brilliant!The whole thing was a farce. Ronaldo was happy and wanted to stay. Barcelona offered him a crazy 10 year contract which he agreed to. Then when Ronaldo and his agents went to sign the contract Nunez(president) told them they never had made that offer and tried to low ball him. Agents got on the phone with Moratti(who had previously contacted them to ask about Ronnie) who immediately agreed to give him whatever he wanted. Deal done, Moratti got in contact with Nunez to see if a deal could be agreed. When Barca said no, Moratti paid the release clause. The following day Nunez went to the media to cry about how Italian clubs were just too rich and they couldn't compete
Been a while since I've seen 2 big clubs pissing in each other's pots like this.
Agree, the stakes feel much higher here. I also get the feeling that no matter how much Woodie and Perez might hate each other's guts, they're businessmen first and foremost and wouldn't let things spillover in successive cases in the same way.
I wonder how much of the PSG- Barsa falling out stems from Barsa not renewing their sponsorship with Qatar Airways.
Not a fortune teller, the UEFA can't prevent PSG from purchasing Neymar what they can do is ban them from UEFA competitions or sanction them financially and/or sportively, since PSG would be recidivist their is a big chance for a one year ban if for example they don't balance their books by the end of the winter window or early during the 2018 transfer window.
Edit: Clubs have to submit their finances in March.
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When a lot of them from different media outlets say the same thing, they tend to be right most of the time and I'm someone who really don't like journalists. Not saying he's martyred by his father either, his father manages every aspect of his professional life and he is fine with it otherwise none of this would happen.
We agree then
Why this loyalty clause while the transfer window is still open?! Makes no sense to me? Why not at the date, when the window closes? Barca can't be that stupid, can they?
I think it simply comes down to them never realizing that another club would actually meet Neymar's release clause.
110m just to balance the books because of Neymar deal? What if they decide to buy more players? They'll have to sell in order to raise this much money and they'll have to replace those they sell.
I have the feeling that they are getting rid of a problem in the medium or short term. With that money you can buy 2 top players or even take it easy, buying only one and looking for some young players,attracting them with the money they release from Neymar wages.
Anyway probably it will be too late for this window.
Nobody knows what will happen regarding the FFP. Nothing is set in stone but the rules are arbitrary and subject to negotiations.
The UEFA could say (stupid) things like:
- You're not allowed to spend more than 50 millions for a single player: supposedly a rule in 2014 according to some reports
- You have to sell for X millions by the end of X
- Transfer ban
- ...
You can guess there are regular meetings between the UEFA and the management of clubs like City or PSG.
The FFP is in full contradiction with the business world and the market economy: in any field, a shareholder is free to invest at his convenience. It is just an anti-competitive measure.
The whole thing was a farce. Ronaldo was happy and wanted to stay. Barcelona offered him a crazy 10 year contract which he agreed to. Then when Ronaldo and his agents went to sign the contract Nunez(president) told them they never had made that offer and tried to low ball him. Agents got on the phone with Moratti(who had previously contacted them to ask about Ronnie) who immediately agreed to give him whatever he wanted. Deal done, Moratti got in contact with Nunez to see if a deal could be agreed. When Barca said no, Moratti paid the release clause. The following day Nunez went to the media to cry about how Italian clubs were just too rich and they couldn't compete
Thanks. This transfer was a mystery for me.
PSG hope to conclude Neymar deal on Monday
PSG are hopeful of concluding a deal for Neymar with Barcelona by Monday or Tuesday, according to sources contacted by RMC.
After weeks of discussions between Les Parisiens and Neymar’s father (which came about following an approach from the latter to the former), a contract has been agreed for the Brazilian to join Les Parisiens. A 5-year deal, until 2022, on €30m a year net. A source told RMC that in terms of contract negotiations, everything is done: “There is a total agreement, even the discussions relating to finer points have been finalised.”
Another source told the media outlet that PSG believe the deal will be concluded on Monday or Tuesday: “Neymar has made his decision. His fight with Semedo is a perfect example. Neymar is not really respected at Barcelona. He is always standing behind Messi, who is the pope of the town. Today, he had to make a decision. We hope that an agreement will be reached between the two clubs on Monday or Tuesday. For us, his future is in Paris.”
After three years of sanctions suffered by PSG under the Financial Fair Play regulations, the Paris club cannot afford to make another false step. PSG are hoping to make up the exorbitant €200m + fee that will be required to sign Neymar through shirt sales of the Brazilian attacker. PSG have already undertaken studies that show that the arrival of Neymar will have a global impact, triggering a revenue rise worth several €20m’s, specifically owing to marketing and merchandise.
PSG want to negotiate with Barcelona, in order to try to pay less than the player’s €222m release clause, and they believe that they have some leverage in a possible deal owing to Neymar’s unhappiness. However, PSG representatives accept that realistically, they are going to have to pay the full €222m, and that Barcelona will not budge – regardless, in recent hours they have tried to negotiate the price down.
PSG President Nasser Al Khelaifi is handling the matter personally, working very late into each night on this deal. PSG have organised members of its transfers, legal and administrative teams into two separate groups, one is working on preventing the arrival of Neymar from putting the club in trouble with FFP. A €200m + deal with €30m a year salary net will have a considerable effect on the club’s budget. Thus, they are working on dealing with this shift in balance by seeking to sell players.
The second team is working on the potential fiscal fall-out of a Neymar transfer. Specifically in relation to what social contributions and expenses PSG would incur in the eyes of the French tax authorities. The arrival of Neymar at PSG would actually improve French tax revenues: Les Parisiens currently pay approximately €170m in taxes a year. If Neymar were to join the club, that number would move to above €190m.
Neymar to PSG, patience, patience.
PSG are hopeful of concluding a deal for Neymar with Barcelona by Monday or Tuesday, according to sources contacted by RMC.
After weeks of discussions between Les Parisiens and Neymar’s father (which came about following an approach from the latter to the former), a contract has been agreed for the Brazilian to join Les Parisiens. A 5-year deal, until 2022, on €30m a year net. A source told RMC that in terms of contract negotiations, everything is done: “There is a total agreement, even the discussions relating to finer points have been finalised.”
Another source told the media outlet that PSG believe the deal will be concluded on Monday or Tuesday: “Neymar has made his decision. His fight with Semedo is a perfect example. Neymar is not really respected at Barcelona. He is always standing behind Messi, who is the pope of the town. Today, he had to make a decision. We hope that an agreement will be reached between the two clubs on Monday or Tuesday. For us, his future is in Paris.”
After three years of sanctions suffered by PSG under the Financial Fair Play regulations, the Paris club cannot afford to make another false step. PSG are hoping to make up the exorbitant €200m + fee that will be required to sign Neymar through shirt sales of the Brazilian attacker. PSG have already undertaken studies that show that the arrival of Neymar will have a global impact, triggering a revenue rise worth several €20m’s, specifically owing to marketing and merchandise.
PSG want to negotiate with Barcelona, in order to try to pay less than the player’s €222m release clause, and they believe that they have some leverage in a possible deal owing to Neymar’s unhappiness. However, PSG representatives accept that realistically, they are going to have to pay the full €222m, and that Barcelona will not budge – regardless, in recent hours they have tried to negotiate the price down.
PSG President Nasser Al Khelaifi is handling the matter personally, working very late into each night on this deal. PSG have organised members of its transfers, legal and administrative teams into two separate groups, one is working on preventing the arrival of Neymar from putting the club in trouble with FFP. A €200m + deal with €30m a year salary net will have a considerable effect on the club’s budget. Thus, they are working on dealing with this shift in balance by seeking to sell players.
The second team is working on the potential fiscal fall-out of a Neymar transfer. Specifically in relation to what social contributions and expenses PSG would incur in the eyes of the French tax authorities. The arrival of Neymar at PSG would actually improve French tax revenues: Les Parisiens currently pay approximately €170m in taxes a year. If Neymar were to join the club, that number would move to above €190m.
Neymar to PSG, patience, patience.
Messi messed up other team defense to the extend they were too light to think too much about Barcelona's other players. Against a Barcelona without Messi, teams would come closer to contain that team given club football. There were many games where Messi was the one to decide the game for Barcelona be it assist, scorer, playmaker, pure dribbler. Barcelona maybe up there as top challenger but dominance term would be removed from that era, given the competitiveness.
Or they sign another sponsorship.
The FFP doesn't prevent a club from investing, the only thing they can do is prevent a club or player from playing in one of their competitions, owners are free to purchase whoever they want and however they want but if they want to play in a private competition they will have to respect its rules.
And the FFP doesn't have transfer bans.
I respectfully disagree. No team dominates that Barcelona with or without Messi. There are all time great players on every position almost. You have peak Alves, who is possibly the greatest RB ever, you have Xavi which in my opinion is the best central midfielder of all time bar none, you have David Villa, one of the best strikers in the history of Spain, you have Puyol one of the best defenders Spain has ever had, you have players like Busquets who is also one of the finest DMs around. Just world class players at every position, except for Valdes who was no slouch either. Nobody is dominating that team. Messi was just icing on the cake, the element that turned Barca from a 'regular' best team in the world, to quite possibly the best team ever.
It's just too much quality in that team even without Messi.
A company needs high-performing assets to reach its goals.
Players are the main assets of a football club so Assets= Investments that requires a financing (loans, shareholder's equity..)
The rules of this private competition are still unclear and obscure IMO
I didn't know this one.The whole thing was a farce. Ronaldo was happy and wanted to stay. Barcelona offered him a crazy 10 year contract which he agreed to. Then when Ronaldo and his agents went to sign the contract Nunez(president) told them they never had made that offer and tried to low ball him. Agents got on the phone with Moratti(who had previously contacted them to ask about Ronnie) who immediately agreed to give him whatever he wanted. Deal done, Moratti got in contact with Nunez to see if a deal could be agreed. When Barca said no, Moratti paid the release clause. The following day Nunez went to the media to cry about how Italian clubs were just too rich and they couldn't compete
Another funny Barca transfer story:
Everything was ready for Juninho to sign in Barcelona but when he landed there nobody from Barca was at the airport to pick him up. So OL who was still in contact with him boarded him on the first plane to Lyon, tied him to a long term contract and dominated French football for years.
wtfI didn't know this one.
Another funny Barca transfer story:
Everything was ready for Juninho to sign in Barcelona but when he landed there nobody from Barca was at the airport to pick him up. So OL who was still in contact with him boarded him on the first plane to Lyon, tied him to a long term contract and dominated French football for years.
This one is happening, only a question of when.
It'll be absolutely hilarious if Neymar picks up his loyalty bonus, then promptly leaves for another huge signing on bonus
Barca fans complaining about PSG's recruitment strategy are hypocrites given that the transfer of Neymar from Santos to Barca wasn't exactly clean.
Barca fans complaining about PSG's recruitment strategy are hypocrites given that the transfer of Neymar from Santos to Barca wasn't exactly clean.
The rules aren't really unclear, it's just that people don't want to type "ffp rules pdf" in google, you might not like the rules(I don't) but they aren't unclear. The UEFA and the FFP works for the football association not for the shareholders, the later is the ECA's business, if they are not happy they can create their own competition but they are perfectly happy since not only they accepted it but they are also promoting it all the time.
We can agree to disagree, so I will leave this discussion after this post.
Excuse me if I am wrong, but sound like you're talking about possession dominance here rather than as a force winning team. That Barcelona may still dominate possession to large extend, but they would be prone much more to be frustrated & left themselves open for the taking. Countless time Messi came to rescue thus got to the point.
The platform factor other team might not reach Barcelona, but taking Messi out, our team with Ronaldo or Real Madrid with Ronaldo would edge that Barcelona team.
Peak Alves couldn't displace Maicon. Puyol, Pique can be good on all but other CB partnership during this period in pure defensive point of view were considered higher: Rio- Vida. Take Messi out, then David Villa here would have come up against Ronaldo in comparison. That left you with only the midfield, which as time proved, they need an outlet or they're stuck with possession dominance & failed to win game. It's possible to win game without winning possession battle.
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Holy... Just came up to the page with "loyal bonus" for Neymar.The accounts will be reviewed at the end of next season like every club every year. If there's an infraction to FFP rules there will be sanctions.
Sure, but which sanctions?
Is it possible to know the diverse sanctions in advance? I'm not so sure
They'll balance the books. I expect a big name to go, which should make the overall spending normal.
It'll only be a problem for them if they want to sign more players.
PSG chairman wasn't lying when he said something along the lines of: (Barca) back off Verratti, if not we will target Neymar, Messi release clauses etc.
Not this myth again.
The UEFA's Club Financial Control Body can decide at its own discretion among one or several of these:
a) warning
b) reprimand
c) fine
d) deduction of points
e) withholding of revenues from a UEFA competition
f) prohibition on registering new players in UEFA competitions
g) restriction on the number of players that a club may register for participation in UEFA competitions, including a financial limit on the overall aggregate cost of the employee benefits expenses of players registered on the A-list for the purposes of UEFA club competitions
h) disqualification from competitions in progress and/or exclusion from future competitions
i) withdrawal of a title or award
Indeed, he has always said " If a club targets one of my major players, I would do the same."
That is why, it's unclear in a certain sense: PSG doesn't know if it will be severely punished or not.
Who translated that? In the article, it is said "revenues gained from his arrival." ... "particularly from marketing and image."
Because they need to be auditioned first, the sanctions aren't automatic, clubs have a right to defend their position.
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