Neymar joins PSG on a five year deal

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I just read in Marca that according to Catalunya Radio the transfer will happen in a 95%.
I have been reading for months in the sensationalist sport press(diariogol,don balón,okdiario) that would be problems with Neymar but they always thought Premier would be his destination.
In his previous renewal his father blatantly met with Madrid,he had problems with Unzúe,left alone the team in Riazor. And has led a life more focused on advertising than being a leader for the team.
The French league can be very exciting in a few years, especially if Monaco don´t sell everything and if there is a super investor for Lyon or Olympique, but right now it is still far away.
I wonder if Neymar and his father are aware of it.
He will earn a lot, he will be the leader and he will have a lot of individual promotion but to win balon d´or he will need to win the champions league. The French league will not be enough, especially if continues going to his sister's birthday on key dates.
I think Barça is delighted. Speculating I would say they have a liquidity problem. So the Neymar money opens a lot of options and pending issues: Pay the renewal bonus of Messi, Dybala / Coutinho / Dembele for the future, last contract + bonus for Iniesta, some renovation in la Masía to avoid leaks of talents...
And for the PSG, the demonstration that their project is serious and that they can attract anyone.
@BBRBB @Ecstatic , are you happy?
 
carvajal said:
I just read in Marca that according to Catalunya Radio the transfer will happen in a 95%.
I have been reading for months in the sensationalist sport press(diariogol,don balón,okdiario) that would be problems with Neymar but they always thought Premier would be his destination.
In his previous renewal his father blatantly met with Madrid,he had problems with Unzúe,left alone the team in Riazor. And has led a life more focused on advertising than being a leader for the team.
The French league can be very exciting in a few years, especially if Monaco don´t sell everything and if there is a super investor for Lyon or Olympique, but right now it is still far away.
I wonder if Neymar and his father are aware of it.
He will earn a lot, he will be the leader and he will have a lot of individual promotion but to win balon d´or he will need to win the champions league. The French league will not be enough, especially if continues going to his sister's birthday on key dates.
I think Barça is delighted. Speculating I would say they have a liquidity problem. So the Neymar money opens a lot of options and pending issues: Pay the renewal bonus of Messi, Dybala / Coutinho / Dembele for the future, last contract + bonus for Iniesta, some renovation in la Masía to avoid leaks of talents...
And for the PSG, the demonstration that their project is serious and that they can attract anyone.
@BBRBB @Ecstatic , are you happy?
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It won't be easy for Barca to get any sort of value for the buck now given the whole world will know they're sitting on a 200mil pile of money upfront. Given the amount of money in the PL or the transfer policy at Dortmund, they'd be bled dry for coutinho or Dembele. That's not even going into what Juve will ask for if they approach them for Dybala.

Tbh, I wouldn't trust this Barca board to do well with the money at all. I admit to not knowing enough to pass a really informed judgement but they do seem a tad clueless. Stockpiling average players on high wages and chasing the Paulinho's of the world to sort out their CM issues while you guys snap up Ceballos for 18mil.
 
carvajal said:
I just read in Marca that according to Catalunya Radio the transfer will happen in a 95%.
I have been reading for months in the sensationalist sport press(diariogol,don balón,okdiario) that would be problems with Neymar but they always thought Premier would be his destination.
In his previous renewal his father blatantly met with Madrid,he had problems with Unzúe,left alone the team in Riazor. And has led a life more focused on advertising than being a leader for the team.
The French league can be very exciting in a few years, especially if Monaco don´t sell everything and if there is a super investor for Lyon or Olympique, but right now it is still far away.
I wonder if Neymar and his father are aware of it.
He will earn a lot, he will be the leader and he will have a lot of individual promotion but to win balon d´or he will need to win the champions league. The French league will not be enough, especially if continues going to his sister's birthday on key dates.
I think Barça is delighted. Speculating I would say they have a liquidity problem. So the Neymar money opens a lot of options and pending issues: Pay the renewal bonus of Messi, Dybala / Coutinho / Dembele for the future, last contract + bonus for Iniesta, some renovation in la Masía to avoid leaks of talents...
And for the PSG, the demonstration that their project is serious and that they can attract anyone.
@BBRBB @Ecstatic , are you happy?
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From a financial perspective I can understand why Barcelona would be delighted to ship out Neymar, but from a football perspective I think it'll be a disaster. He is their natural successor to Messi (obviously not as good, but you know what I mean) and with several of their best players hitting their 30's I'm not sure how they can rebuild the team to anywhere near the same standard it has been for the last decade. If they go to Liverpool or Juventus or Dortmund for Countinho, Dybala, and Dembele, those clubs will know they've got €222m sitting in their bank account. They'll face the same problems we do when trying to buy players. That money won't stretch far.
 
prtk0811 said:
This transfer record will not be broken for a long long time.
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You say that, but the scary reality is it'll probably tumble in a few years time.

I'd love to think this transfer will calm it all down and bring a sense of reality back, realise it's gone mental, but I think it'll only make things worse.
 
Varun said:
It won't be easy for Barca to get any sort of value for the buck now given the whole world will know they're sitting on a 200mil pile of money upfront. Given the amount of money in the PL or the transfer policy at Dortmund, they'd be bled dry for coutinho or Dembele. That's not even going into what Juve will ask for if they approach them for Dybala.

Tbh, I wouldn't trust this Barca board to do well with the money at all. I admit to not knowing enough to pass a really informed judgement but they do seem a tad clueless. Stockpiling average players on high wages and chasing the Paulinho's of the world to sort out their CM issues while you guys snap up Ceballos for 18mil.
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I imagine that Paulinho and Lima are players promoted by Neymar , looking for buddies in the squad. As you say this board has no idea. In fact there is a former candidate (Benedito) who wants to promote a censure motion.
AndyJ1985 said:
From a financial perspective I can understand why Barcelona would be delighted to ship out Neymar, but from a football perspective I think it'll be a disaster. He is their natural successor to Messi (obviously not as good, but you know what I mean) and with several of their best players hitting their 30's I'm not sure how they can rebuild the team to anywhere near the same standard it has been for the last decade. If they go to Liverpool or Juventus or Dortmund for Countinho, Dybala, and Dembele, those clubs will know they've got €222m sitting in their bank account. They'll face the same problems we do when trying to buy players. That money won't stretch far.
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Neymar is great, but I think he only adopts a super star role with Brazil. He has been in Barcelona for 4 years and I do not imagine in the short term that Neymar is going to be a favorite for the Balon D´or, or a debate about who is the best. I can not imagine anything similar in the next two years, even with Messi getting older. I guess that in a balance can be more profitable to get 3 players with those 200millions.
The truth is that the economic pressure of the Premier can be suffocating. They will have to be more skilled in the signings, players with low clauses (Ceballos) or in their last year (Kroos) or top players with particular clauses in the contracts. Let´s say Dybala/Dembele etc renews and includes a clause "100m€, price for Barça"
 
KingMinger22 said:
But Ligue 1 does have pull with South Americans?

If he leaves, I would certainly expect him to play in the PL at some point.

This will come down to money. If PSG are determined, there owners certainly have the resources.

I do wonder at the quoted prices of even United and City would baulk at the numbers.
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The last sentence isn't a comparison between the PL and Ligue 1. But PSG seem to have a pull with Brazilians who often talks about old PSG players when they are in France.
 
I'm not sure who Barca can buy with 220m in their coffer, everyone without a release clause will be worth 100m+.

Dybala? Juve will probably start negotiations at 180m
 
So PSG could potentially be spending €320m on two players if they get Sanchez and Neymar.. and almost €600m all-in when wages are factored in and all is said and done between the two of them over their tenure there?

Remember that snippet when the FA cup is on about one higher ranker player being worth as much as the entire minnow side? Well now, you'll have a player or two who total up to more than the entire Spurs side plus half of another? Is that right? :wenger:
 
carvajal said:
I just read in Marca that according to Catalunya Radio the transfer will happen in a 95%.
I have been reading for months in the sensationalist sport press(diariogol,don balón,okdiario) that would be problems with Neymar but they always thought Premier would be his destination.
In his previous renewal his father blatantly met with Madrid,he had problems with Unzúe,left alone the team in Riazor. And has led a life more focused on advertising than being a leader for the team.
The French league can be very exciting in a few years, especially if Monaco don´t sell everything and if there is a super investor for Lyon or Olympique, but right now it is still far away.
I wonder if Neymar and his father are aware of it.
He will earn a lot, he will be the leader and he will have a lot of individual promotion but to win balon d´or he will need to win the champions league. The French league will not be enough, especially if continues going to his sister's birthday on key dates.
I think Barça is delighted. Speculating I would say they have a liquidity problem. So the Neymar money opens a lot of options and pending issues: Pay the renewal bonus of Messi, Dybala / Coutinho / Dembele for the future, last contract + bonus for Iniesta, some renovation in la Masía to avoid leaks of talents...
And for the PSG, the demonstration that their project is serious and that they can attract anyone.
@BBRBB @Ecstatic , are you happy?
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I will be happy when it becomes official but right now I am very excited :D

Something we lacked recently is that extra bit of star quality and a second source of goals since Zlatan left and Neymar provides more than enough of both.

This is also a statement to the football world, as a number of observers still don't take us really seriously, this shows we really mean business even though the most important still has to happen on the pitch.

Cal? said:
They could spend the 220m on 4 Diers
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That's optimistic, I reckon that would only get them 3 Diers.
 
I think one thing that everyone has always taken PSG seriously about was spending disgusting amounts of money on players. Good that they're keeping that up.
 
That's a real worry. Deals like this tend to lead to a repricing of the entire market, as clubs benchmark their own outgoing players against deals that have already been done. It will have serious implications for the Griezmann deal, for example.
 
Adebesi said:
That's a real worry. Deals like this tend to lead to a repricing of the entire market, as clubs benchmark their own outgoing players against deals that have already been done. It will have serious implications for the Griezmann deal, for example.
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Unlikely he still has a release clause.
 
KM said:
Dortmund will raise their price of Dembele. It'll be a horrible market for buyers if this deal goes through.
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True. Though the argument has to be that Neymar represents the absolute pinnacle of the market, global superstar in his prime, expected to be in contention for the WPOTY for the next 5-6 years. With Dembele, it's mostly potential at this stage. Still commands a heavy premium, but surely not more than 100m.
 
If PSG can reach an agreement with Neymar for 220m euro we absolutely need to make a move right now. If he's available for that sort of money we have to win him.
 
Adebesi said:
Didnt he sign a new deal after agreeing to stay?

But yes good point, it wont affect deals with release clauses. I guess subsequent deals will set those clauses higher though.
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He did signed a new deal but the release clause remained the same and it only raised the wages of Griezmann. It was Atletico's way of thanking him for staying with them during the ban.
 
Adebesi said:
Didnt he sign a new deal after agreeing to stay?

But yes good point, it wont affect deals with release clauses. I guess subsequent deals will set those clauses higher though.
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He did but the clause stayed the same.
 
Judas said:
I'd love to think this transfer will calm it all down and bring a sense of reality back, realise it's gone mental, but I think it'll only make things worse.
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They're not just gonna say 'let's stop. this is silly' though, when everyone knows how much money is in football, so they can ask it.

The reality is that we fund this by the extortionate costs involved for fans nowadays. If they'd controlled that then these transfer costs may not have got quite so silly, clubs would still be rich, and fans might be able to enjoy football more again.
 
Adebesi said:
That's a real worry. Deals like this tend to lead to a repricing of the entire market, as clubs benchmark their own outgoing players against deals that have already been done. It will have serious implications for the Griezmann deal, for example.
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Assuming we do go in for him again, we'll be paying exactly the same as we would have done this summer.
 
English clubs should get ahead of this.
Stop feeding into the madness with fees but use the wealth to drive up wages. Twist the knife that way.
The way its going we may as well not have the money. Oh we made an extra 80m this year? Shame that our transfer targets cost an extra 80m from last year
 
I don't actually think the price of the transfer is that over the top looking at what other players are being valued at. You are buying the third best player in the world (and the only two ahead of him are contenders for being the best players of all time), at the perfect age, and with absolutely huge marketing potential. I don't think it necessarily needs to skew the market any more than it was changing naturally anyway - if you'd asked whether Neymar is worth 4 Kyle Walkers, 2 Philip Coutinhos, or 1.5 Kylian Mbappes a few weeks ago I think most people would have agreed.

It's the cost of the entire package that is ridiculous, and that (imho) is because it is a second tier team that is buying him....to make it worth his while they are having to pay him an absolutely eye-watering wage. I actually think 220 million Euros in the current market is a pretty fair price, but can see why we wouldn't want to get involved at the sort of amounts that are being bandied around for the full package.
 
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Can you imagine how much the actual third best player in the world would cost?
 
Yeah I would love us to sign Neymar but at the same time have absolutely no issue with us steering well clear of it at that price.

Imagine spending that much money on a single player and then that player breaking his leg a few months into the season.
 
@Rusholme Ruffian
Not Neymar? Kane for example has been miles better than Neymar over the last 2 years. Thats not getting into Lewandowski, Griezmann etc
 
Cal? said:
There's no doubt Monaco and Dortmund will be asking for much more if they know Barca has 220m
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If Mbappé asks to be sold, they will let him go for an "acceptable" fee. The current rumored fees are already way above what Monaco would be happy to take.
 
JPRouve said:
If Mbappé asks to be sold, they will let him go for an "acceptable" fee. The current rumored fees are already way above what Monaco would be happy to take.
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And Perez is just going to do nothing whilst his new toy gets stolen by Barca?
 
He scored less goals than Lukaku last season and didn't score many crucial goals as well. I thought 220 million was a fair price for him but I don't think that he's dead certain to become the best player once Messi retires.
 
BBRBB said:
This is also a statement to the football world, as a number of observers still don't take us really seriously, this shows we really mean business.
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With good reason too. The platform was set for you to showcase to the world and you fecked it up in spectacular fashion.
 
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