Neymar joins PSG on a five year deal

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King7Eric said:
Mourinho has managed the likes of Hazard, Ronaldo and Sneijder before who didn't do much tracking back and he's still won trophies with them. I don't think Jose would make him track back too much. There is a tactical advantage of having an offensive talent like Neymar stay up front as his marker will always be wary of joining the attack and leaving him too much space.

As for that sister thing well it's weird that's all I'll say about it. But anyway all these points are moot since he's not coming here.
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Sneijder is a playmaker, a completely different player. Ronaldo and Hazard were both players that Mourinho was 'stranded' with, so to speak. He didn't bring them, they already happened to be at the club that hired him. He tried getting them both to track back, and it made for a very strained relationship in both cases. That he managed to attain some level of success, despite this, is neither here nor there.

People are incredibly reluctant to accept all this, preferring instead to fantasise unfettered, about all these 'inside forwards' and luxury players, despite the fact that they can't point to a single instance where he actually went on and bought one such. "Why won't he go for Sanchez, I just don't get it" is the cretinous incredulity which we have to read every day here. The penny ought to drop one day.
 
Re: the point of Jose not liking Neymar, he does track back the most of MSN imo and his conditioning is incredible.

I'm sure they'd have no issues working together. Neymar is fairly selfless IMO.

But yeah moot point.
 
FCBarca said:
Yes sir indeed
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In this market,I am not sure if that is wise. There is simply no guarantee that you would be able to get a suitable replacement.

You certainly arent going to use that money to get Veratti(he's not going to Barca), and Dembele would be hard too. Dortmund wouldnt sell this late in the window, and if he becomes available next Summer, they are other clubs that are able to offer ridiculous wages(United for example have just gotten rid of Zlatan, Rooney and Bastian so there is certainy enough to offer good wages)

Messi wont go on forever either. Neymar is a fantastic talent.
 
Eddy_JukeZ said:
Re: the point of Jose not liking Neymar, he does track back the most of MSN imo and his conditioning is incredible.

I'm sure they'd have no issues working together. Neymar is fairly selfless IMO.

But yeah moot point.
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Jose isnt stupid. He isnt so inflexible to pass on a player this good because of not tracking back.

Its simply an unfeasible financial deal though.
 
K2K said:
In this market,I am not sure if that is wise. There is simply no guarantee that you would be able to get a suitable replacement.

You certainly arent going to use that money to get Veratti(he's not going to Barca), and Dembele would be hard too. Dortmund wouldnt sell this late in the window, and if he becomes available next Summer, they are other clubs that are able to offer ridiculous wages(United for example have just gotten rid of Zlatan, Rooney and Bastian so there is certainy enough to offer good wages)

Messi wont go on forever either. Neymar is a fantastic talent.
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Won't get me disputing Neymar as a talent, still sell - time is right to get best fee for him
 
K2K said:
For smaller clubs I can understand. But Barcelona are not a selling club.

They are a club fighting for the biggest titles every season. Selling one of your best players doesnt help in achieving that objective.
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Among that trident, the one I am least married to is Neymar - despite being the youngest and one with a longer career ahead of him. That, should tell you everything
 
Do I want Neymar at Old Trafford? Absolutely. Do I want us to blow 200m on him, surely forgoing a midfielder as well? Not really. I think he'd be great for us, but I think buying Perisic and a midfielder now and then possibly Griezmann in January does represent much better value.
 
D2Z said:
Cant even deal with this right now. Imagine what it will do to the market if it goes through..... Pogba will be a bargain.
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I wish people would stop saying this. Neymar, and his type (which there are literally a handful of in world football) do not damage the market because they are the elite of the elite and practically unobtainable and their movement, infrequent at best (Messi: never; Ronaldo:2009; Neymar: 2013; Suarez 2014). It's the Walker's and Lukaku's and the like going for what they have that sets the market and has clubs like Swansea demanding £50m for their best player. Pogba became a bargain the moment either of the aforementioned transfers went through. Relative to Neymar, the financial disparity between them is about right.

If Barca lose Neymar, them being Barca means they can unsettle some other players and have them play up like crazy before they move in and take them for a knock-down price. Just because they have a windfall, it doesn't mean it would get pumped back into the market for a knock-on effect. They're struggling financially and would probably put a decent chunk of change to fixing that and the rest would be used to piss off other clubs as they tap up their players and get them for a relative pittance.
Escobar said:
And they are right. We've seen many crazy deals but a quarter of a billion (not including other fees or salary) is just beyond crazy. Football has gone mad
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But we've been saying this for the last 3 years straight. This Neymar deal wouldn't be the apex of the madness as it's the bottom-end that sets the value for what the elite should/would go for.

People keep saying £200m is madness, but it was always coming when the bottom bracket of player started being sold on for £30m+ and middling ones were going for £50m-£70m. Even Higuain going for what he did (€90m) necessitated that the next-next rungs up had to go for a lot, lot more for being a lot, lot better than him.

If the £200m is put against the turnover of the clubs who could pay it (Straight or via loan), is there a great disparity between how much resources it sapped from clubs in the past? When Maradona cost £5m, top players were being sold for a 10th or a 5th of that, and it must have been a fortune for Barcelona to fork out. I'm sure the theme runs true for the majority of world record sums, probably up to the very recent past, at least.

Top clubs are now multi-billion pound entities.. the fee might be painful for a window or two (dependent on sales) but it's hardly earth shattering if you take a step back and see this was the inevitable conclusion to the rapid escalations we've been seeing in transfer fees since c. 2014.
 
K2K said:
Why is that so? and is it football related?
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I have watched him for 4 seasons at Barcelona, I see a monster talent that will never likely reach his full potential owing to the sort of ruthless professionalism of say Leo, Dani or Suarez he lacks. I worried about how much of the Brasilian curse he might be afflicted with before his arrival and while it's not as bad as some of the cautionary tales we all know about, I believe he nevertheless lacks that singular drive I have come to covet in Barcelona's biggest stars.

Plus, he's a marketing machine that was always going to leave eventually - he was never going to be a lifer like Messi, Xavi et al. Best time to cash in too, IMHO. Plus, it'll be the proverbial nail in Bartomeu's coffin as they sullied the club in their initial purusit to land the talent, only fitting they get ousted due to his sale
 
I think he's going to stay at Barcelona but for Real Madrid it would be the best if he leaves for another league. Last seasons he was doing a lot of work upfront when Messi and Suárez weren't having a good game and while it's a lot of money they could invest in other players it would be uncertain how well the reinforcements could be for them.
 
According to the biggest source in Brazil, Neymar has told his close friends he's joining PSG. Could be old news, couldn't see anything posted.
 
FCBarca said:
I have watched him for 4 seasons at Barcelona, I see a monster talent that will never likely reach his full potential owing to the sort of ruthless professionalism of say Leo, Dani or Suarez he lacks. I worried about how much of the Brasilian curse he might be afflicted with before his arrival and while it's not as bad as some of the cautionary tales we all know about, I believe he nevertheless lacks that singular drive I have come to covet in Barcelona's biggest stars.

Plus, he's a marketing machine that was always going to leave eventually - he was never going to be a lifer like Messi, Xavi et al. Best time to cash in too, IMHO. Plus, it'll be the proverbial nail in Bartomeu's coffin as they sullied the club in their initial purusit to land the talent, only fitting they get ousted due to his sale
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With Real seemingly getting stronger and stronger, and very few talents like him, dont you think it would come back and bite the club.
 
K2K said:
With Real seemingly getting stronger and stronger, and very few talents like him, dont you think it would come back and bite the club.
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I go back to a sentiment I have previously expressed in transfer related matters/threads, I prefer committed players who are proud to represent the club and dignify our playing style. Its the reason why some players would never fit in at Barcelona and I am fine with that
 
FCBarca said:
I have watched him for 4 seasons at Barcelona, I see a monster talent that will never likely reach his full potential owing to the sort of ruthless professionalism of say Leo, Dani or Suarez he lacks.
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I'm not too convinced of this

And even if it were true, he's already shown what he can be in 2015, when messi was injured and he proceeded to be the best player on the planet, culimnating in the bernabeu game, which aside for the otherwordly first-goal(which he went inches from replicating btw), was ronaldinho-esque
 
giorno said:
I'm not too convinced of this

And even if it were true, he's already shown what he can be in 2015, when messi was injured and he proceeded to be the best player on the planet, culimnating in the bernabeu game, which aside for the otherwordly first-goal(which he went inches from replicating btw), was ronaldinho-esque
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Again, there's no question what a talent he is
 
SCP said:
No but in the end yes, ok, I did not said it was better than England or Spain, but it is not a pub league, like many times is said in this forum, if 1 person didn't watched the matches reading some posts here you would think there are only flying monkeys playing there and probably not much better than Scotland.

If 1 thinks like that I could counter argument that outside of the Champions League bubble there is no football to watch because there are no elite clubs, so is pointless to watch anything other than Real, Barcelona or Bayern.

Sorry but it was a expression to general EPL fanboys, not exactly you, I would not say you are arrogant without knowing you.

It's only the sense I find EPL or Barcelona fanboys annoying when you discuss something related to football, for ones everything that does not involve money and buying new toys is shit, and for the others football is only played in 1 way and the rest is shit.

Of course I am, just don't expect me to say what the majority says, I always like to go against the general opinion, and chalenge the so caled general consensus regarding football, as if there is only 1 way to be played or everything that does not involve millions or media hype does not deserve to be watched. :cool:
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Fair enough mate.
 
If Barca sells him it's more of a sign how badly they need money than anything else. He's a brilliant player and Barca will be so much weaker without him
 
Escobar said:
If Barca sells him it's more of a sign how badly they need money than anything else. He's a brilliant player and Barca will be so much weaker without him
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I don't think Barcelona will sell him, if he leaves it will be because he terminated his contract.
 
Moonwalker said:
Sneijder is a playmaker, a completely different player. Ronaldo and Hazard were both players that Mourinho was 'stranded' with, so to speak. He didn't bring them, they already happened to be at the club that hired him. He tried getting them both to track back, and it made for a very strained relationship in both cases. That he managed to attain some level of success, despite this, is neither here nor there.

People are incredibly reluctant to accept all this, preferring instead to fantasise unfettered, about all these 'inside forwards' and luxury players, despite the fact that they can't point to a single instance where he actually went on and bought one such. "Why won't he go for Sanchez, I just don't get it" is the cretinous incredulity which we have to read every day here. The penny ought to drop one day.
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I'm sorry mate but you are deluded if you think a top manager like Mourinho would pass the opportunity to work with one of the best players in the world because he doesn't track back. These are the kind of players you build your teams around and the kind of players who move once or twice in their careers. When the opportunity comes you sign them, a successful manager like Mourinho is not gonna say let me sign Perisic instead of Neymar or Sanchez or Hazard because he's better at tracking back. The fact that we can't afford him or the player wants to go elsewhere is the reason we can't/won't sign him, not because he doesn't track back.

Not all wingers need to track back and Mourinho has bought his fair share of players who play in positions where you expect some defensive contribution but that player isn't great at it. He's bought the likes of Robben, Pogba, Ozil etc. A winger, a CM and a playmaker (a position where Jose himself said that ideally he wants his no. 10 to be able to drop back and defend when the team doesn't have the ball). Even Sneijder was the same, but he still bought these players because there attacking qualities more than compensate for their defensive deficiencies. To say Mourinho wouldn't sign Neymar or Sanchez if we they wanted to come here and were available is just absurd.
 
Bojan11 said:
Glazers are not going to spend £200m on a player. But I can't really blame them for that. I don't see Roman or Sheikh at City lining up after PSG.
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But that's the way fees are going.

I personally all things considered £200m is justifiable, such an exciting player, that would take us to the next level. I still harbour a hope we are just waiting to see if Neymar is serious about leaving before matching the clause.

It wasn't long ago that Woody briefed 'we can do things in the transfer market, others can only dream about' - well put up or shut up.
 
People want us to pay £180m+ for a transfer fee, with about £450k week wages? :wenger:

Na, you're ok. Go knock yourself out PSG. Enjoy.
 
This is so not happening and you can quote me on this. Are media outlets so desperate for clicks these days? Feck me.
 
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VorZakone said:
This is so not happening and you can quote me on this. Are media outlets so desperate for clicks these days? Feck me.
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I don't know. It's about time the oil clubs make the next step on the transfer market. Neymar is also the money type. You can't know for sure. Although exchanging El Clasico for PSG - Marseille/Monaco is certainly odd.
 
According to RMC SPORT Antero henrique was to travel to spain today, should be some developments over the weekend.
 
I actually don't want us to sign him at this price, and I don't give a feck what we spend usually. But this would completely change the landscape of the club, it's mental mental money. The game has gone bonkers, we're part of it, but to give in to this sort of madness would be, well it would be the dawning of a new era in England for one, and it just helps the game further down the troublesome path it's already heading.
 
serghei said:
Barca should sell him for anything higher than 180m. (his buyout is higher), in which case they do have a say in this matter.
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Don't see why. Replacing him with a lesser player (like Dybala) would cost probably around 120m or so.

The only way this move would benefit Barca is if you can get Verratti and 100m for Neymar. Then use that money for Dybala/Dembele/Mbappe.
 
King7Eric said:
I'm sorry mate but you are deluded if you think a top manager like Mourinho would pass the opportunity to work with one of the best players in the world because he doesn't track back. These are the kind of players you build your teams around and the kind of players who move once or twice in their careers. When the opportunity comes you sign them, a successful manager like Mourinho is not gonna say let me sign Perisic instead of Neymar or Sanchez or Hazard because he's better at tracking back. The fact that we can't afford him or the player wants to go elsewhere is the reason we can't/won't sign him, not because he doesn't track back.

Not all wingers need to track back and Mourinho has bought his fair share of players who play in positions where you expect some defensive contribution but that player isn't great at it. He's bought the likes of Robben, Pogba, Ozil etc. A winger, a CM and a playmaker (a position where Jose himself said that ideally he wants his no. 10 to be able to drop back and defend when the team doesn't have the ball). Even Sneijder was the same, but he still bought these players because there attacking qualities more than compensate for their defensive deficiencies. To say Mourinho wouldn't sign Neymar or Sanchez if we they wanted to come here and were available is just absurd.
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It's the most obvious thing in the world, and you can only fail to grasp it with a combination of wishthinking and projection.
 
He's going nowhere. Slow transfer window, the media are getting desperate and making up stories.
 
Does anyone think he's the weaker link in the MSN line up? As in still a very good player. 220m is bloody good business if they can say get in Mbappe, Dybala or Alexis Sanchez (they can feck off like).
 
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