Neymar joins PSG on a five year deal

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cyberman said:
It's been two seasons at this stage.
The elite of the elite has very fine margins. He can't just snap his fingers and still be considered as good as the world class players that are performing significantly better than Neymar has in quite a while.

You earn being in the top 5 player list. It's striking to me that his marketability has been brought up more than his actual ability on here.
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And yet, his contracts keep going up, Barcelona don't want to lose him, and he is coveted by any club who can afford him?

I think you're overstating things. Since his tax case, he has been off the boil, but even within that, he has produced performances of the entire season, which act as a reminder of what level his talent and ability is at.

As I said before, the credit he has in the bank of previous performances ensure he is still considered absolutely top bracket, and rightly so.

It would take Griezmann and the ones chasing him another season or two to outright usurp him, and that would be with last season's status quo intact. I don't think there are many people on the planet who believe ceteris paribus will be kept and that Neymar's natural level will not once again come to the fore.
 
TsuWave said:
top 3 if not 2 in the world, only 25.

if Kyle Walker goes for £50M, Lukaku for £90M (with add-ons), and Mbappe gets quoted £150M after half a decent season, i don't think it's too unreasonable to be honest
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He hasn't been a top 10 player in the world last season, top 2 or top 3 is madness saying at this time.

Him and Bale seem to become better the worse they perform. In this forum.
 
Revan said:
He hasn't been a top 10 player in the world last season, top 2 or top 3 is madness saying at this time.

Him and Bale seem to become better the worse they perform. In this forum.
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Who would you say the 10 players better then him are last season? just out of interest?
 
Murray3007 said:
Who would you say the 10 players better then him are last season? just out of interest?
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Ronaldo, Messi, Modric, Kroos, Suarez, Griezmann and Lewandowski easily. Sanchez and Hazard while not better, have been playing better than him for more than a year now. So, I'll give you him as the tenth best player in the world, my mistake :smirk:

And that is without counting the defenders. Marcelo and Sergio Ramos have been showing superhuman performances for some time, but it is hard to put a defender in top 10 where there are so many great attacking players.
 
Revan said:
Ronaldo, Messi, Modric, Kroos, Suarez, Griezmann and Lewandowski easily. Sanchez and Hazard while not better, have been playing better than him for more than a year now. So, I'll give you him as the tenth best player in the world, my mistake :smirk:

And that is without counting the defenders. Marcelo and Sergio Ramos have been showing superhuman performances for some time, but it is hard to put a defender in top 10 where there are so many great attacking players.
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Hes had an off season yes, but he I would say on balance top 5 in the world overall (not based only one this season)
For all saying he was poor this season, think about his performances last season.
 
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We're watching Woody. Grab your lube and gimp suit and get on that plane!
 
FCBarca said:
It's not how it went down with Javi, they had to nearly smuggle him out at night
"This was without question a complicated transfer," said Bayern chairman Karl-Heinz Rummenigge after Martínez signed a five-year deal

Neither with Herrera, even characterized as a farce of a pursuit & transfer for a whole host of issues
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Both clubs signed the players by activating the release clause. The complications arose due to the way release clauses worked. Basically in both cases, it boiled down to this: bayern munich and united wanted to activate the release clause on behalf of the player. Nobody was quite sure whether this was legal, with Athletic disputing it wasn't, that the money had to come from the player. This meant that the clubs would have been forced to give the money to the player, money the played would've had to declare as income with the tax authorities, and thus subject to taxes. Thus, the clubs would've had to give the player both the money for the clause, AND the money for the taxes on top of it. Furthermore, neither club was sure exactly what kind of taxes they'd have to pay. Eventually, in both cases, the LFP stepped up and unilaterally decided to accept that the clubs could pay the clause on behalf of the players, and the transfers went through

The regulations have since changed to establish that clubs CAN pay the clause on the player's behalf. Meaning the controversies and complications of those deals no longer exist
 
Cassidy said:
Hes had an off season yes, but he I would say on balance top 5 in the world overall (not based only one this season)
For all saying he was poor this season, think about his performances last season.
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He wasn't really 'out of this world great' the season before that too. Even there Ron, Messi, Griezmann and Suarez had miles better seasons than him and he kind of flopped in UCL IIRC.

You need to go into the 2014-2015 season to justify him being a top 3 player.
 
giorno said:
Both clubs signed the players by activating the release clause. The complications arose due to the way release clauses worked. Basically in both cases, it boiled down to this: bayern munich and united wanted to activate the release clause on behalf of the player. Nobody was quite sure whether this was legal, with Athletic disputing it wasn't, that the money had to come from the player. This meant that the clubs would have been forced to give the money to the player, money the played would've had to declare as income with the tax authorities, and thus subject to taxes. Thus, the clubs would've had to give the player both the money for the clause, AND the money for the taxes on top of it. Furthermore, neither club was sure exactly what kind of taxes they'd have to pay. Eventually, in both cases, the LFP stepped up and unilaterally decided to accept that the clubs could pay the clause on behalf of the players, and the transfers went through

The regulations have since changed to establish that clubs CAN pay the clause on the player's behalf. Meaning the controversies and complications of those deals no longer exist
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I am aware of this, I didn't just start following Spanish football yesterday. My OP stands, it's not as simple as dropping off a check
 
giorno said:
Both clubs signed the players by activating the release clause. The complications arose due to the way release clauses worked. Basically in both cases, it boiled down to this: bayern munich and united wanted to activate the release clause on behalf of the player. Nobody was quite sure whether this was legal, with Athletic disputing it wasn't, that the money had to come from the player. This meant that the clubs would have been forced to give the money to the player, money the played would've had to declare as income with the tax authorities, and thus subject to taxes. Thus, the clubs would've had to give the player both the money for the clause, AND the money for the taxes on top of it. Furthermore, neither club was sure exactly what kind of taxes they'd have to pay. Eventually, in both cases, the LFP stepped up and unilaterally decided to accept that the clubs could pay the clause on behalf of the players, and the transfers went through

The regulations have since changed to establish that clubs CAN pay the clause on the player's behalf. Meaning the controversies and complications of those deals no longer exist
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It's the DGT that changed the rule not the LFP, clubs could pay for a player in the past but the player had to pay the IRPF which isn't the case anymore. Now you just have to come with the money to terminate the contract without cause.
 
How are PSG going to pass FFP? I wouldn't have thought that their revenue is that massive, they're not a huge global club.
 
Sparky Rhiwabon said:
How are PSG going to pass FFP? I wouldn't have thought that their revenue is that massive, they're not a huge global club.
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Selling Krychowiak, Aurier and probably Di Maria would give them enough room wage wise.
 
Kapardin said:


Old Malcolm's ghostly arm reaching beyond the grave.
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Very strange story.

Even if the truth was they met with one of the Glazers sons and not the deceased Malcom, surely they would have gotten guidance and direction from the owners on whether they would consider such an expensive transfer proposition before investing 4 months of work, including contact with the player?

Sounds like a cover story to keep press scrutiny away. I think it's still NeymONar
 
Dont get your hopes up, I doubt we will sign him. And I doubt any other team than PSG and City can afford him. We already spent 100m, 300m plus in one summer is just crazy
 
Escobar said:
Dont get your hopes up, I doubt we will sign him. And I doubt any other team than PSG and City can afford him. We already spent 100m, 300m plus in one summer is just crazy
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It is not the 300mil spend that makes me doubt we'll try to get him. I'm sure we can spend that much. As someone pointed out to me earlier in the thread though, the release clause needs to be met upfront so we cannot pay the 200mil over 4-5yrs like a normal transfer. Can't see how we can stump up that much cash upfront
 
JPRouve said:
Selling Krychowiak, Aurier and probably Di Maria would give them enough room wage wise.
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Zlatan and Luiz huge wages leaving also gave some freedom and haven't been replaced yet.
 
Varun said:
It is not the 300mil spend that makes me doubt we'll try to get him. I'm sure we can spend that much. As someone pointed out to me earlier in the thread though, the release clause needs to be met upfront so we cannot pay the 200mil over 4-5yrs like a normal transfer. Can't see how we can stump up that much cash upfront
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I doubt we could, it would be more than 50% of our revenues. And even if we could, it would be stupid for a club like Manchester who has to pay transfers out of its own pocket
 
I dont think people in england know how big of a star neymar is.

i was shocked to see his face all over Dubai and Qatar on billboards much more then Messi or even Ronaldo. He really is a global super star
 
I think PSG is ready to buy Neymar at any price for diverse reasons:

1. The FFP allows them to do that
2. They have been wise in the last summers: savings on the wages of Zlatan & David Luiz
3. Barcelona tries to get Verratti
4. Barcelona kicked PSG out of the Champions League 3 times in the last 5 seasons
5. Chairman of PSG is under pressure: the initial plan was to win the champions league before 2016 when the acquired the club in 2011
6. Monaco champions last season
 
Anyone think this is why Alves went to PSG? he knew about the Neymar deal and wanted to play with is mate.
 
eggwithsideburns said:
Anyone think this is why Alves went to PSG? he knew about the Neymar deal and wanted to play with is mate.
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Very unlikely. Looks like Alves just took the better deal and wages

Meanwhile, in training

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eggwithsideburns said:
Anyone think this is why Alves went to PSG? he knew about the Neymar deal and wanted to play with is mate.
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Maybe, or from another angle PSG may have recruited Alves to help convince Neymar. It's a proven tactic: Maxwell, Zlatan's best friend was recruited first, Trapp helped opening the German market resulting in Draxler, not to mention the early Italian connection, David Luiz/Di Maria/Lavezzi friendship... The Cabaye signing may also have been part of a failed plot to go for Hazard.
 
FCBarca said:
Very unlikely. Looks like Alves just took the better deal and wages

Meanwhile, in training

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Yeah maybe, we can only speculate. I hope he stays with Barcelona or comes to United of course.

BBRBB said:
Maybe, or from another angle PSG may have recruited Alves to help convince Neymar. It's a proven tactic: Maxwell, Zlatan's best friend was recruited first, Trapp helped opening the German market resulting in Draxler, not to mention the early Italian connection, David Luiz/Di Maria/Lavezzi friendship... The Cabaye signing may also have been part of a failed plot to go for Hazard.
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It wouldn't surprise me, we have no idea what goes on behind the scenes.
 
stevoc said:
Thats part of the reason the league is poor though isn't it?

Most promising players are bought by clubs in other leagues after a good season or two.
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But the league is not poor, better watch games like Nantes - Nice or Nice - PSG before calling a league poor, EPL fanboys are very arrogant, just because English clubs have the money it does not mean other leagues don't have quality.
 
From the club's perspective, I wouldn't want to sell him. Even for this cartoon money. What's the point? You'd need to go out and replace him, and HE is supposed to be the replacement for Messi eventually. In a couple of years, Messi will be 33 and Ronaldo will be 35 so Neymar should be looking at taking his place as the no.1 footballer in the world. You lose a fundamental part of the team, with two other older players who will need to be replaced. You lose out on the shirt sales, the merchandise, the added club sponsorship offers that all come with such a star name. Not to mention if we get into a situation where Madrid start racking up Liga titles, we then start losing casual interest, drawing power, etc. In my opinion, losing Neymar would catastrophic, even if his last season wasn't that great. He's still got what it takes to lead a team to greatness.

If one club buys a player for 200M, how long before the other big clubs are vastly increasing their spending limits? And then how long before the current stars are looking for massive uplifts on their weekly wage? With a reduced TV deal, or a couple of non-CL years, you could be looking at massive financial collapses. This is not a good sign, and all the European clubs, Barca included, need to be trying to rein this shit in a bit rather than constantly dick measuring with each other.
 
SCP said:
But the league is not poor, better watch games like Nantes - Nice or Nice - PSG before calling a league poor, EPL fanboys are very arrogant, just because English clubs have the money it does not mean other leagues don't have quality.
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Well to be fair i didn't exactly claim it was a poor league thats not what i'm saying, but in relation to the quality of Spain or England then yes it is a poorer league. All or most of Frances top players play outside of Ligue 1, outside of PSG no teams in france are capable of holding onto their top players. Look at Monaco won the league last year in impressive fashion and already clubs are circling they've lost 2 of their players and they could lose another 3-4 before the end of the window. Which is a shame but unfortunately thats how football is right now.

I'm not a PL 'fanboy' either, and its poor to throw around terms like arrogant or a 'fanboy' mate honestly. Surely you are capable of conversing with people in a more polite manner?
 
This is the kind of signing that changes the game for a team, if PSG get him they'll move closer to actually getting over their CL hump.
 
lets be honest we have money to spend but without a sugar daddy a £200m investment in one player just isn't happening.

£200m over the course of a summer on 3-4 players I can see but not this.
 
Outrageous deal if it happens. Means the prices for all other players will go up even more in the next few windows.
 
Everything depends on Barcelona's plan for spending the Neymar money.

If they can bring in (most likely next summer, not this) Dembele or Dybala to replace Neymar in the long run, then use the rest of the money to improve parts of the team that really need it (midfield, fullbacks), then I can see them being better off.

Neymar is a great player but he isn't the next Messi. I don't think the gap between him and players like Dembele (after a couple years as he matures) and Dybala will be very large over the next 5-7 years.
 
I just hope we are waiting for Neymar to make himself available because if we don't go in for him then I just don't understand where we are going.

He appears to be the best player in the world that seems to be available.
 
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