Was listening to Football weekly. They made the goal sound a LOT better than it was.
Neymar Da Silva
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Was a lovely goal but wasn't even the best of the game, Elano scored an excellent free kick.
Not quite as excellent as this one against the same team a couple of weeks ago, though:
The game itself was pretty ridiculous. Neymar's red came first and it set the tone, it was bizarre. Two minutes later there was another two reds for an incredibly weak pushing match, then Elano got sent off while on the bench around the minute, then Jorquera got sent off in the 94th for telling the ref he was being a bit of a dick (I presume). 5 goals, 8 yellows and three fantastic strikes off the woodwork from Colo...game had it all. The Copa Libertadores is on its own when it comes to things like that.
Not quite as excellent as this one against the same team a couple of weeks ago, though:
The game itself was pretty ridiculous. Neymar's red came first and it set the tone, it was bizarre. Two minutes later there was another two reds for an incredibly weak pushing match, then Elano got sent off while on the bench around the minute, then Jorquera got sent off in the 94th for telling the ref he was being a bit of a dick (I presume). 5 goals, 8 yellows and three fantastic strikes off the woodwork from Colo...game had it all. The Copa Libertadores is on its own when it comes to things like that.
He looks a bit Asian.
Neymar
The asshole from Last of the Mohicans
It seems strangely inevitable that he's going to go to Chelsea.
Anyway, had one of his best games in terms of providing for his team against Once Caldas in the Libertadores last night, set up countless chances and really ripped the piss out of the defence over and over again (in a high pressure game, one goal and they were out). Missed a penalty but scored a nice goal (the winner), the thing is that he's scored so many good goals this one doesn't even seem all that impressive!
Starts the move off with an effortless crossfield pass to Danilo, it comes back to him and he kills it dead and then just nonchalantly rifles it in.
Under new coach Ramalho he's been playing a more team-orientated role and he's even been caught tracking back into his own half (!) every so often, he's coming along really well.
in fairness that defender could have thrown himself at neymar as he shot, instead he did a half arsed job at closing him down.
What would you say was his best position? watching him for Brazil against Scotland he reminded me of Ronaldo, playing from the left rather than as an orthodox striker.
Absolutely, the quality of defending in South America is considerably worse than what you'd see in any of the major European leagues in general, from what I've seen. That said Neymar had them tied in knots over and over again, you can bet the defender half-expected him to feint for a strike and try to burst straight through (as he did countless times during the game), he had the entire back four frightened and as Stanley Matthews said 'when you've got the defender frightened, when you've destroyed his confidence...well you can do whatever you like with him'. Doesn't excuse the attempt though, either commit or don't, go half-arsed and you'll likely be punished.
He's certainly not got the build or mentality for an orthodox striker, he has to drift. He's always played with a striker who does the dirty work and offers himself as a target and a traditional strike whether it's Ze Eduardo, Leandro Damia, Willian etc. and he usually does most of his best work out wide. Maybe as he develops he'll be able to play as a lone striker of some sorts but right now he's best on the left of a front three or as the supporting striker in a front two.
Which is what makes him suited to Chelsea right now - Torres through the middle, Sturridge to the right and the likes of him on the left.
The problem with a set up like that is that it will likely require a very technically gifted midfielder in an elevated position to make it work.
I actually meant to say Ronaldinho in the other post and from what you say he seems to be in that mould, do you think he'd fit in the Prem? he looks slight but could have that wiry strength like Giggs I guess.
So Sturridge is already ahead of Malouda and Kalou in the pecking order?
And this assuming the likes of Anelka and Drogba are gone.
Indeed. Maybe McEachran could be that player in a couple of years but obviously not yet. Would you expect your lot to go out and get another midfielder this summer?
He's considerably more of a goal threat and a threat in behind than Ronaldinho ever was and he's certainly not as strong a playmaker (although vision is one of his strengths) so I'm not sure he's of that ilk, he'd be more similar to Ronaldo in general. He constantly gets pushed around in Brazil so there's no doubt he'll have to bulk up for this league but I wouldn't have thought it's something that would stop him from being a success.
You watch that much Brazilian footy Brwned? How?
Last night was one of his best performances in an important match. Still, the penalty miss brings into question his mental toughness. Obviously he said he wanted to take it, which is good, but then he goes and hits a shitty pen (obviously, we wouldn't be talking about it if the GK had gone the wrong way, but its still a poor effort from the spot).
It seems too often he wants to be the center of attention, and not the winner (or at least just the winner of the personal accolades). He'll move to a club which he has no connection to (likely Chelsea), and he'll probably expect to be the star, doing well or doing poorly, like its been here in Brazil (oh how the media and everyone here are great at building the ego of an unproven player).
He's a great great talent, a natural dribbler and an excellent finisher, but if I were running a top European side I think I'd spend the sort of money Santos want for him, and then his salary, on other prospects.
PS: Today one of my favorite pundits, who comments on most United matches on ESPN Brasil, was talking about how Brazil is lacking top class players, and he cited Messi, C. Ronaldo, Rooney and Tevez as the top players in the world right now, in that order. And then he said Neymar was a bit behind them, working to that level. Then someone in the comments responded that Neymar was only not as good as Messi!
It baffles me to even think of him as anything much different than Eden Hazard or Alexis Sanchez. He's a talent, a top one to be fair, but that's it. How could you put him ahead of established top players, like Iniesta, Villa, Robben, Ribery, Sneijder, many others who have proven their quality in the Champions League and big European Leagues? Not to talk of all the great defensive players around which people always forget when talking about top players.
When Brazil line-up at the Copa America in July everyone around here will be talking about Neymar, and looking for him to produce the goods. When in reality the best players in Brazil's side are likely to be Thiago Silva and Daniel Alves. Its amazing what playing here in Brazil will do for your reputation, compared to just doing ok in Europe. But people here tend to underestimate how different it is, and what it takes to succeed in Europe, compared to South America.
If Sturridge is not ahead of Malouda and Kalou then something is very wrong as the former has been useless since November whilst the latter has been gormless for much longer.
Anelka I could see in a deeper and more central role as such a playmaker, Drogba I wouldn't be surprised to see go. I'd be surprised if at least two of the four don't go.
Well I dunno, I've got hooked in the past year - I'm sure it's just a phase! Started off with wanting to see a bit more of Ganso, then Santos as a team were just so fun to watch I kept it up, then Lucas came along...just been trying to watch a few different leagues, been watching more Ligue Un and less La Liga this season too. Looking forward to the brasileiro I must say, look forward to seeing how Fabiano settles in at Sao Paulo with Lucas and co.
The penalty miss was an odd one, he's got wonderful composure but he just completely fluffed it. The keeper was trying to psych him out by repeatedly calling him a diver, thought that was quite funny especially if it did work! He's always up for taking a challenge on himself - see how he took the ball off Elano for the free kick at the end, desperate to try and redeem himself - and it's great to have that confidence but it does bring problems.
It'll surely be a bit of a culture shock but I dunno, I have to say I wouldn't be happy if Chelsea went out and got him. If he does settle he's got a huge upside. He'll take some really careful managing you'd think.
You think that's bad? How's this for a laugh...
The most complete attacker I've ever seen. He also said that he had a better footballing brain than Messi at the same age. I've seen plenty of similar comments to the ones you've talked about too on a few Brazilian blogs, 'tis strange but just goes to show that every country hypes up their own players and it's only exacerbated by clubs in Brazil needing to sell their big players to keep revenues up. There's quite a few latching onto this hype though, it's why I think the 'Brazil's new golden boy' is just a little bit hasty...
It is quite a difficult thing to judge as so many players have had poor years. The midfield over the last decade nearly has been the strongest and most consistent part of our team but is now deteriorating quite considerably. Essien I am concerned for, after two very serious injuries I am not sure if he will recover to his former heights, this season he played virtually a full year though at times was very pedestrian. On top of that Lampard will be 33 by the time next season begins, for how much longer we can rely on him being a dominating presence for 60 games a year I do not know.
McEachran does show promise though I am reluctant to go further than that at this stage though I am sure he will have a much enlarged presence in the team over the next 12 months - this year he has had 15 appearances or so. My star riser of the season though has been Ramires, he looked to be out of his depth early on though managed to turn it round once he got to grips with the league - Essien and Makelele also had such issues following their immediate arrivals. There are other options as well, I think Anelka is well suited to playing a deep lying centre forward role not much further ahead of the midfield plus Kakuta may in the medium term become suited to that.
I can see Chelsea going into next year without the intent to go out and buy for the midfield though that leaves us reliant on a best case scenario for the four aforementioned. Saying that I would be less than impressed if the long list of stories that we are after Kaka turned out to be accurate.
Off topic but it's strangely addictive isn't it? I did it a few years ago with Huracan because of Pastore.Then tried catching a fair few matches with Costa. Then noticing all these other players, the fans. I've had to stop myself as it was eating up a lot of time.
People criticizing Neymar need to remember: the kid is only 19. Sure, he is a bit immature and he's not a finished product on a pitch. But the good you get from him by far outweighs the bad, imo.
I can remember only a very few players who looked that good that young. He is a world class talent with potential to get even better. I would absolutely love if Chelsea could get him, but the better he performs the harder it'll be to accomplish that.
I can remember only a very few players who looked that good that young. He is a world class talent with potential to get even better. I would absolutely love if Chelsea could get him, but the better he performs the harder it'll be to accomplish that.
It is! I'm sure I'll do the same within the next few months but I'm still hooked for now.
I don't know, we've heard that before about players and when you've got some of the Brazilian fans suggesting caution it does make you wonder whether our view of the player is a bit skewed because we don't watch the South American leagues that often, you know? We're not used to these players and their environment, we're not as understanding of their flaws and more easily impressed by their strengths. This is from a newbie:
There were posters on here that said Robinho looked almost as talented as the Brazilian Ronaldo. It's a lot easier for us to get carried away because we don't see the constant level of tremendously hyped players that fail over and over again. Take Lulinha for example...
Corinthians President said:
No-one talks about Lulinha now. Not because he's not talented, but because the hype machine's moved on to someone else.
Funny, I was thinking of bumping this thread.
This lad is fecking exceptional. Would love him at United tbh
This lad is fecking exceptional. Would love him at United tbh
Off topic, how do you catch the games? Download them? Or is there a reliable stream?
I download them off FBTZ, I think registrations are closed right now but they open registrations every now and then so I'd keep an eye out, it's very handy.
Streams for me. Usual sources. Just be prepared for the odd late night early morning.
I think you've got it spot on. Every now and then there's hype around a new Brazilian offensive talent, usually someone with impressive ball control, speed and dribbling (Adriano, for example, was a decent palyer for Flamengo at a point but never got much hype because he was all product, no flash). Neymar is exceptional, maybe once in a decade, but he's been talked up beyond what you'd reasonably evaluate. I wouldn't take him for 30 million or so Euros when other talents, and some proven players are available at less.
Brazil develops a lot of good players, but most of them sail under the hype radar. Guys like Hulk, or Thiago Silva, or Dani Alves, or even our Rafael and Fabio. Guys who leave the country early, might even struggle at first, but work hard and find their way to good teams and big competitions.
I wouldn't. Its the attitude, the personality. He's nothing like Hernandez, or the Da Silvas. He wants to be in the spotlight, merely for the sake of being in the spotlight. A personal awards chaser. At this point, I don't think he'll ever feel a great connection to any club he moves to abroad. His attitude will probably be more like "they're privileged to have me" more than "its a privilege that they wanted me". They hype around him has been huge (they were calling for him to be in the WC squad before he even started a match in the Brazilian League, which was ridiculous), and I think he's bought into most of it.
Chelsea have been told they will need £41million if they want to sign Santos forward Neymar this summer.
The teenager has become the hottest property in world football following impressive performances in the Copa Libertadores and for the Brazil national team.
He has admirers all over Europe, including Real Madrid and AC Milan, but Chelsea are considered favourites to sign the 19-year-old.
The Blues’ owner Roman Abramovich tried to sign Neymar last summer but saw his bid rejected by the Brazilian club.
But the player’s value has continued to rise and the players agent Wagner Ribeiro says the Russian billionaire will have to dig deep to sign the star who could become as big Lionel Messi.
“Last year, Santos received an offer of £32million from Chelsea and it was rejected,” Ribeiro told The Sun. “Now he would not leave for less than £41million.
“Neymar is like Messi.
“Soon he will be the best in the world as he is a player like no other. He is just 19 but all the big clubs are following him.”
The teenager has become the hottest property in world football following impressive performances in the Copa Libertadores and for the Brazil national team.
He has admirers all over Europe, including Real Madrid and AC Milan, but Chelsea are considered favourites to sign the 19-year-old.
The Blues’ owner Roman Abramovich tried to sign Neymar last summer but saw his bid rejected by the Brazilian club.
But the player’s value has continued to rise and the players agent Wagner Ribeiro says the Russian billionaire will have to dig deep to sign the star who could become as big Lionel Messi.
“Last year, Santos received an offer of £32million from Chelsea and it was rejected,” Ribeiro told The Sun. “Now he would not leave for less than £41million.
“Neymar is like Messi.
“Soon he will be the best in the world as he is a player like no other. He is just 19 but all the big clubs are following him.”
I don't honestly believe they could reject a bid of 32 million. I thought that Chelsea's bid last summer or January was accepted but Neymar turned them down? Didn't the Santos President say that this Summer they only offered 25 million as opposed to what they had previously offered which is why he considered it laughable?
It's a bit bloody ridiculous if they have signed him! Will that mean Ozil can leave...
I reckon that's Benzema and Kaka gone if true.A bit more...
Bronzetti is his agent & he has apparently confirmed it. Reports also saying he's been offered a deal of €2 million a year
Allegedly the price agreed is €32 million.
Bronzetti is his agent & he has apparently confirmed it. Reports also saying he's been offered a deal of €2 million a year
Allegedly the price agreed is €32 million.
Santos probably waiting till after the Libertadores cup final
Real Madrid, what a terrible decision by him
Real Madrid, what a terrible decision by him
Real Madrid will Neymar than that to beat Barca.
/jamaican accent'd
/jamaican accent'd
Laughable. Wonder who will be pushed out? Normally clubs all wait till the end of the transfer window and get class players on the cheap.
Y'know what would make me laugh? Modric gets sold to us or Chelsea and Spurs buy Kaka for half the price
Y'know what would make me laugh? Modric gets sold to us or Chelsea and Spurs buy Kaka for half the price
I just don't want him at Chelsea or any of our other local rivals..
Better there than at any of our rivals.
neymar is class and youth.
madrid does by youngsters from time to time, very good signing this.
Sahin, callejon, now neymar (well and altintop).....making some class moves for the most part.
Mind, still not enough to beat barca. Afterall it is a blaugrana world.
madrid does by youngsters from time to time, very good signing this.
Sahin, callejon, now neymar (well and altintop).....making some class moves for the most part.
Mind, still not enough to beat barca. Afterall it is a blaugrana world.
that's what some lads said about ozil and higuain when he signed (afterall higuain signed when he was younger and less established than neymar).
you can't make a blanket statement like for all youth. Some have the talent to break into to a place like RM.
If you are good enough, you'll play. I think neymar will be quite fine at madrid unfortunately. Would loved to have seen him come here for instance.
The idea of Neymar and Ronaldo flanking Higuan with Ozil in the hole, and Alonso and Sahin holding is muppet Shangri La.
Apparently theres some doubt over this now. Agent is saying he confirmed nothing.
Isn't Neymar better down the middle?
Di maria Neymar Ronaldo
.........Ozil.............
......Sahin..Alonso.....
All they need now is a new right back.