Yes, well that is fair enough, and to an Englishman might well be a factor in his choice. Whether it is to a Brazilian is another thing though - I don't know, but I don't imagine the past will make a massive difference on a young Brazilian kid.
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Yes, well that is fair enough, and to an Englishman might well be a factor in his choice. Whether it is to a Brazilian is another thing though - I don't know, but I don't imagine the past will make a massive difference on a young Brazilian kid.
I'm afraid you have no idea what the word 'history' means. To suggest that a club, any club, that's been around for over hundred years has no history is a sign of utter stupidity.
I know English is not your first language but history is not synonymous with longevity, it implies a richness of experience not winning one league title in a century.
You're inability to read 'history which holds them both in such high esteem world wide.' is a bigger sign of utter stupidity. So clearly he's talking in relation to the bigger clubs in football.
History does not have a special meaning in the world of football, it means time. You can't say a team doesn't have history just because they haven't won anywhere near as many league titles as you have. It might not have as successful a history on the pitch, but it doesn't mean they don't have one. It's extremely patronising to suggest otherwise.
Ask any neutral fan to tell you about Chelsea's history and they might mention Osgood or Kerry Dixon. They will know about the last 15 years or so and that's about it. Ask the same fan about United's history.
Point made?
Point made?
I agree. by that definition Notts County, Blackpool and Stoke have a greater history than Chelsea.
If by greater you mean longer, indeed.
Manchester United and Liverpool will always have a greater worldwide attraction to fans than Chelsea
The advantage Chelsea have over the other 2 when it comes to signing this lad is that Chelsea already made the running for him, he has friends there, they have a shit load of cash and lastly, they are in London
The advantage Chelsea have over the other 2 when it comes to signing this lad is that Chelsea already made the running for him, he has friends there, they have a shit load of cash and lastly, they are in London
..and richer.
if you look at the london sides, Chelsea were pretty low in terms of glamour or support until the criminal came.
West Ham are a bigger club than them for example.
the likes of Stoke, West Ham and Blackpool had legendery players play for them.
I remember Osgood and Alan Hudson for Chelsea for whatever reason.
Oi, dickhead, you forgot the mighty Chesterfield.
Don't hear of too many "top" players dreaming of playing for us, but what a fecking history!!!
You know exactly what I meant by huge history, i.e. rich history of winning etc. Pack hundreds of millions into a random side like Blackpool and they still will not be as attractive for some players as the big guns.
Chelsea, in it's current form has only existed for 7 years. They were a football club before that for the best part of a century. Now they are a billionaires plaything and an abomination to the game of football. There is no similarity between pre-Abramovich Chelsea, and the plastic empire which has been forced into football. As with present-day City, any achievements are essentially hollow ones, because they were made by chucking as much money as possible at trying to gain success
Money always buys success. There are no successful clubs out there that hadn't spent significant amounts of money in order to be and/or remain successful. I bet no one here was complaining when United were breaking transfer records long before Roman.
You may not be happy about the source of Chelsea's or City's money but they haven't broken any laws. If the owners are willing to spend their own money to ensure the clubs's success on the pitch, it's their business. Top clubs on the continent have been doing the same for decades and no one accuses Italian or Spanish giants of buying trophies. In any case, for majority of the English clubs it makes little difference where United or Chelsea or City get their money from, since they can't begin to compete with the transfer fees and wages the top clubs could offer, anyway, no matter what the origin of the money is.
"a club that was basically created by a single Russian and his history, and might likely go back where they belong once said owner loses his desire to finance them."
That's your quote, word for word. Who do you think you are to dismiss a club with over a century of history and millions of fans worldwide as some no mark that haven't had anything to be proud of until Abramovich showed up?
There are lifelong Chelsea fans out there who have been following the club and going to the games for decades, through all the highs and lows, through relegations and near bankruptcies, when the club was on the brink of oblivion.
That's history too, in case you were wondering, perhaps not as glamorous as winning shiny trophies, but still history.
Yes, Chelsea were lucky Abramovich bought them and invested so heavily in the club and youth setup. So what? The fans didn't have any say in the matter either way, just like they weren't at fault for the club struggling in the second division some twenty years earlier. It's all part of being a supporter, with all the good and bad things that the club goes through.
Winning titles and cups is something every fan of every team dreams of. But that doesn't entitle you or anybody else to look down on other clubs as if they're not worthy of respect since their trophy cabinets aren't as well stacked as United's or Liverpool's. I don't know if I can put it any simpler than that.
They were already top clubs when they spent the money. The money came to them because of their success
That is the point that Chelsea fans seem to forget.
You just know it's going to happen. Some idiot who has no idea what City truly are will spout that bullshit blissfully unaware that he's making an enormous twat out of himself.
Chelsea with Abramovich is basically not the same club as beforehand. I'm guessing you didn't support the real Chelsea...the club which existed before 2003.
The actions of Abramovich when he bought the titles in 2005-6 put a black mark on football which has changed the game at the top level irreparably. The FIFA financial fair play laws are a direct result of this corruption
start a new thread
Why is he so bent on going to Chelsea?
You're guessing wrong. I have supported Chelsea since 1996 when Zola joined the club. And what does it matter anyway when I'd started supporting them, whether it was twenty years ago or yesterday? Half of this forum live thousands miles away from England, never set foot inside the Old Trafford and wouldn't even be here if Manchester United wasn't a top successful club to begin with.
My argument isn't about that. It's about the fact that you have to respect every club regardless of how big or small their trophy cabinet is. I may not like certain clubs or sets of supporters but I'd never lower myself to suggest that any one of them "have no history". It's ignorant and disrespectful, and real football fans, no matter what club they follow would know better than to spout such nonsense.
You are talking rubbish. The argument in this thread is that Chelsea do not have a history which holds them in such high esteem world wide, where as clubs like United and Liverpool do.
The above is fact, and unfortunately for yourselves, can't be changed.
Are you having an argument with yourself because you're certainly not getting what I'm saying.
Nobody is arguing that the clubs who have had more success over the course of their history have bigger worldwide appeal than others, it's a given. My point is that it doesn't mean that less successful clubs have no history, a ridiculous claim which certain posters here are trying to present as a fact.
Real Madrid bound I would think
...and not the spending of Real Madrid? Or the other top clubs who have spent big over the years in Engalnd, Italy and Spain?
United have spent plenty over the years and broken plenty of records in this country and in Europe, often paying fees which seemed way over the odds at the time.
Abramovich might have spent a lot of money but he's bought a lot of players. Until Torres, Shevchenko was his biggest buy at around the same we paid for Rio Ferdinand years before when it was even more money pound for pound.
I cant see how anyone is suprised when rich owners buy football clubs and spend a fortune. It all stems from Football becoming a global business - a situation propogated by clubs just like United who benefit from the profile the likes of Abramovich bring to the league in new countries - a situation we didn't have when the teams were owned by local business men.
In my view, when you're at the forrefront of creating a worldwide business like the PL and pushing yourself overseas you shouldn't be surprised when every Oligarch going wants a piece of the action.
The first big club to show an interest in him? And er... money.
End of discussion.
Seems after all that you actually agree that United and Liverpool are head and shoulders above the rest when it comes down to it.
What I think is interesting about him heading to Chelsea, if that does happen, is where he would play. Ancelotti has tried a diamond formation at Chelsea twice unsuccessfully, the main stumbling point the past time was that Anelka isnt someone to play in the hole. But Neymar could be. He could be the player to have behind Anelka and Torres and finally achieve the diamond Aneclotti likes to play.
I can see big changes at Chelsea in the summer - new manager (Ancelotti to go back to Italy - maybe with Roma after the supposed takeover) and a few new ideas.
Could see a few big changes in the playing staff as well.
The occasional reliable FreddieBoswell7:
Neymar to Chelsea looks a done deal.£30 million fee.
Neymar to Chelsea looks a done deal.£30 million fee.
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Santos starlet Neymar is a summer target for Chelsea but the forward has hinted Barcelona is his preferred destination.
Neymar, who has a £37million release clause in his contract with his current employers in Brazil, has become the subject of increased transfer speculation following his brace in Brazil's 2-0 win over Scotland last month.
Chelsea have been heavily linked with a swoop for Neymar, having failed to land him last summer, and the Stamford Bridge side are expected to make their move in the summer.
However, the 19-year-old has attracted plenty of attention from Europe's elite, with the likes of Real Madrid, Barcelona, Manchester United and AC Milan all credited with an interest in recent weeks.
Neymar has now hinted that he would prefer a move to Barcelona, but it remains to be seen whether the Catalan giants will try to secure his services in the summer.
Neymar told the Catalan press: "I'd like to play alongside (Lionel) Messi. I think together we could form an excellent partnership. To be known as the Brazilian Messi would be terrific.
"I watch Barca whenever I can - they can win everything. But will I be joining Barcelona? The future belongs to God. I'm going to keep working and training hard."
Neymar, who has a £37million release clause in his contract with his current employers in Brazil, has become the subject of increased transfer speculation following his brace in Brazil's 2-0 win over Scotland last month.
Chelsea have been heavily linked with a swoop for Neymar, having failed to land him last summer, and the Stamford Bridge side are expected to make their move in the summer.
However, the 19-year-old has attracted plenty of attention from Europe's elite, with the likes of Real Madrid, Barcelona, Manchester United and AC Milan all credited with an interest in recent weeks.
Neymar has now hinted that he would prefer a move to Barcelona, but it remains to be seen whether the Catalan giants will try to secure his services in the summer.
Neymar told the Catalan press: "I'd like to play alongside (Lionel) Messi. I think together we could form an excellent partnership. To be known as the Brazilian Messi would be terrific.
"I watch Barca whenever I can - they can win everything. But will I be joining Barcelona? The future belongs to God
. I'm going to keep working and training hard."Neymar - Villa - Messi...
We should make a sneaky bid for Pedro then.
We should make a sneaky bid for Pedro then.
Scores and then sent off for wearing a mask:
That is a seriously classy goal
Looks like he's going to be some player this lad.
He has a shit hairstyle though.
Gonna be an awesome player for someone, probably Madrid the cnuts!
I don't get it, how can you be sent off for wearing a mask of yourself...?