Next PM | #NoMoBoJo | Still hanging around like a bad smell

Bobade said:
She is disgusting.

All the options are pretty bad. I've always thought Grant Shapps was basically a thicko but he comes across OK in that 30 second clip above.
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Shapps is Tim nice but dim on the face of it, but will still defend anything to further his own career and his voting record isn't great- pro-Brexit, privatisation, reducing tax for the wealthy/corporates while cutting benefits and anti anything climate-related.
 
Frosty said:
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David Cameron today defended the deportation of failed Iraqi asylum seekers from Britain as a charter plane carrying them headed towards Baghdad. At prime minister's questions in the Commons, the Conservative leader said that making Iraq safe for those returning home was one of the reasons "our brave servicemen and women fought and died" in the country. The United Nations high commissioner for refugees (UNHCR)this week objected to the UK's forcible removal of asylum seekers to the central provinces of Iraq because of continuing violence and political instability.

https://theguardian.com/uk/2010/jun/09/david-cameron-iraqi-asylum-seekers-deportation
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David Cameron has made clear he is ready to pull the UK out of the European convention on human rights if he believes it is necessary to keep Britain safe.The prime minister said he would do "whatever that takes" to ensure Britain could throw out people who posed a threat to the UK and had no right to be in the country. He said voters could be confident that a Conservative government after the 2015 general election would make sure this was done, though he indicated it would not be possible if he was again in a governing coalition with the Liberal Democrats.

"As prime minister, I want to know can I keep our country safe. So, for instance, are we able to chuck out of our country people who have no right to be here, who threaten our country? I say we should be able to do that. Whatever that takes, we must deliver that outcome."We have the next 20 months to put into our manifesto whatever measures need to be taken to produce the effect we want, which is basically to have greater ability to keep our people safe." Cameron said there were several options for ensuring that future prime ministers have greater powers to remove those who pose a threat to public safety.

This could involve the creation of a British bill of rights, which would allow the UK to remain within the convention while being sure that judges at the European court of human rights respect Britain's decisions, he said. But asked if it could mean withdrawing from the convention, he replied: "It may be that that is where we end up, but let's go through the process and work out what is necessary to deliver the effect that we want."

https://theguardian.com/politics/2013/sep/29/david-cameron-human-rights-convention
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Cameron really was a massive a right wing arsehole.
 
DavidDeSchmikes said:
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Not sure 20 is viable... Far too low for a quick contest

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1ffqemZ-YOi7AvAw8HbxmMd0vIbsOXLZ7KpAmNQPD2r8/htmlview

Just over 40% of Mps declared and on track to get 10 or 11 MPs at 20 or above

36 votes (more than 10%) of the parliamentary party would seem a logical figure and I think would see perhaps 4 or 5 withdraw straight away and support somebody else

My gut feel is that sunak and mordaunt, will make the final two and if that happens I think mordaunt will win (provided she's made sufficient promices to the erg types which I think she will be happy to for a sniff of power)
 
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Smores said:
An actual member of cabinet tweeting shit like that ffs. I bet she gets appointed to the house of lords for her insane loyalty.
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That’s the current rumour anyway.
 
Bobade said:
She is disgusting.

All the options are pretty bad. I've always thought Grant Shapps was basically a thicko but he comes across OK in that 30 second clip above.
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He comes across terribly in that 20-minute interview on the whole. Seems painfully insincere.
 
GDaly95 said:
He comes across terribly in that 20-minute interview on the whole. Seems painfully insincere.
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I haven't seen the full interview. Seen plenty of bad interviews with him during the pandemic though. He's got no chance anyway.
 
Incredibly depressing bunch of options, but I don't think any of them have the charisma to turn an election on the strength of their personality alone, or the brains to actually turn around the various crises that we're in the middle of. So whoever they pick, I think the chances of them losing the election are much higher than if Boris had somehow stayed popular.

While I wouldn't call Labour favourites (given the state of the Labour Party and the electoral maths) it really is a bonus that it wont be another Boris v Corbyn election.
 
largelyworried said:
Incredibly depressing bunch of options, but I don't think any of them have the charisma to turn an election on the strength of their personality alone, or the brains to actually turn around the various crises that we're in the middle of. So whoever they pick, I think the chances of them losing the election are much higher than if Boris had somehow stayed popular.

While I wouldn't call Labour favourites (given the state of the Labour Party and the electoral maths) it really is a bonus that it wont be another Boris v Corbyn election.
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Can Starmer win a GE even with so much chaos going on in the Conservative Party?
 
I am loving this solid support for Sunak from a Tory MP....
 
lefty_jakobz said:
Can Starmer win a GE even with so much chaos going on in the Conservative Party?
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The electoral maths are so tough at the moment that even if they had the bastard offspring of Clement Atlee and Shaft at the helm they might struggle to turn things around.

But last time a combination of Brexit, Boris & Corbyn just demolished Labour's chances, and neither will be a primary driving force at the next election. Stamer might look like a 3d printed politician, but so does every Tory option, so they'll kind of cancel each other out.
 
largelyworried said:
The electoral maths are so tough at the moment that even if they had the bastard offspring of Clement Atlee and Shaft at the helm they might struggle to turn things around.

But last time a combination of Brexit, Boris & Corbyn just demolished Labour's chances, and neither will be a primary driving force at the next election. Stamer might look like a 3d printed politician, but so does every Tory option, so they'll kind of cancel each other out.
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This could be the best chance Labour will have had with all the in fighting that will break out with the leadership contest, but I still don’t know if Starmer could pull off an election victory.
 
lefty_jakobz said:
This could be the best chance Labour will have had with all the in fighting that will break out with the leadership contest, but I still don’t know if Starmer could pull off an election victory.
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I'm not sure anyone could, I don't see anyone with a better chance than he.
 
Two-face Truss.

Truss started campaign website a month ago
Liz Truss registered her official website to become the next Tory leader almost a month before Boris Johnson resigned (Oliver Wright writes).

The website lizforleader.co.uk went live at the weekend as part of the foreign secretary’s campaign to succeed Johnson as prime minister.

But a search for the domain name — first carried out by Sky News — shows that it was registered on June 8, 2022.

This was two days after Boris Johnson narrowly won the 1922 Committee vote of confidence, during which Truss publicly supported him.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/tory-leadership-race-prime-minister-latest-khn5n55fs
 
Paul the Wolf said:
For pure comedy value, the world is hoping Liz Truss will become the new PM.

Probably one of the dimmest people ever to reach high office. We've had numerous examples of her stupidity over the years but had almost forgotten about the drones scared of barking dogs

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I don't know if it was the dog that was barking or Truss.
 
Politics really is in the gutter. Look at these z listers ffs!
 
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https://conservativehome.com/2022/0...och-by-under-ten-votes-in-over-eight-hundred/
 
Tory leadership rules announced
Sir Graham Brady, chair of the 1922 committee, has announced the rules for the Conservative leadership contest.

  • Nominations will open and close tomorrow
  • First ballot on Wednesday
  • Second ballot on Thursday
  • 20 supporters will be needed for each candidate
  • On the first ballot, any candidate to proceed must win 30 votes from Tory MPs
  • The winner will be announced on 5 September
 
Frosty said:


The full clip is worse.
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Its quite funny that the resurfaced dirt on Rishi looks like its from decades ago and far more frivolous than the shit his rivals in the party would be guilty of.
 
Mr Bevan's bitter attack on Tories

Mon 5 Jul 1948

https://www.theguardian.com/news/1948/jul/05/leadersandreply.mainsection

"The eyes of the world are turning to Great Britain. We now have the moral leadership of the world, and before many years are over we shall have people coming here as to a modern Mecca, learning from us in the twentieth century as they learned from us in the seventeenth," said Mr Aneurin Bevan, Minister of Health, at a Labour rally in Manchester yesterday.

The meeting was called to celebrate the anniversary of Labour's accession to power. The Labour party, he said, would win the 1950 election because successful Toryism and an intelligent electorate were a contradiction in terms. His own experiences ensured that no amount of cajolery could eradicate from his heart a deep burning hatred of the Tory party.

"So far as I am concerned they are lower than vermin," he went on. "They condemned millions of people to semi-starvation. I warn you young men and women, do not listen to what they are saying, do not listen to the seductions of Lord Woolton. They have not changed, or if they have they are slightly worse."

The Government decided the issues in accordance with the best principles, he said: "The weak first; and the strong next." Mr. Churchill preferred a free-for-all, but what was Toryism except organised Spivvery?

As a result of controls, the well-to-do had not been able to build houses, but ordinary men and women were moving into their own homes. Progress could not be made without pain. People who campaigned against controls were conducting an immoral campaign. There was a kind of schizophrenia in the country, so that people reading newspapers and hearing talk in luxury hotels got an entirely different conception of what was happening, which did not square with the statistics. The bodies and spirits of the people were being built up - but the Government's efforts could not be sustained except by the energies and labour of the people. Production must be raised to make the new legislative reforms a living reality.

The Government never promised in 1945 that everybody was going to be better off. It knew some were worse off to-day, but it always intended they should be.
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Applies to all the candidates.
 
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