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[United in sin]

You getting more unhinged the more it seems Hag is getting closer to being appointed.


Don't even know what to say to your description of him..........as someone pointed out reads like trolling

So nothing of substance to counter with? You really take these articles as gospel truth don't you? Poor soul, you still haven't realized the hope kills you. I'd gladly welcome Hag BTW. I do like his style and approach

You can’t accuse people of making the facts for their confirmation bias and then go and do the exact same thing. Yes he got them to a semi, but he also lost the league that season. This season he ‘is winning the league handily’ with a worse goal difference and fewer wins than any season they’ve won in recent years. The quality of the league and their closest rivals has decreased dramatically this season, not that PSG have improved dramatically - I mean they were unceremoniously kicked out of both cup competitions this season.

He has not had a team play consistently good football since January 2019. Ask any PSG fan if they rate him or the style of football he has gotten out of this side and you’ll find maybe 1 in 100. Yes Ten Hag’s limited successes make him a risk, but so do Poch’s. His record against the top 6 was beyond atrocious and whilst his style of football was a revelation when he started in the prem, the top teams have moved beyond that. If Poch were to face Pep and Klopp do you think he’d compete? Yes he finished above them once, but that was when they first entered the league. Will Ten Hag? Probably not, but you just can’t be quite as certain.

How is Poch's football antiquated when his style is based on the high press and quick progression of the ball which most top managers utilize to good effect in the modern game? Poch is more aggressive and attack minded than the more possession based Ten Hag who also primarily uses the same 4-2-3-1 formation Poch goes for. The major difference between them is Hag likes to load the left flank when in attacking positions. Peter Bosz before Ten Hag at Ajax had a more aggressive approach similar to Tuchel, Klopp and the godfather of modern Genpressing Rangknick himself but Hag’s style has yielded more numbers in attack.

All you're saying here is you'd rather give Hag a chance because he's an unknown with a potential for success and Poch is a known quantity 'past his best by date' (incorrectly). You don't seem to be saying much about either Hag or Pochetinnos respective styles. PSG fans are among the most entitled in Europe. They lambasted Tuchel too in the end FFS. In all honesty they've had bigger issues with their big stars not delivering when it counts, particularly Neymar

Its pretty clear that you're okay with mediocrity. You're okay with regular top 4 finishes - something Poch achieved for Spurs(something they could only dream of). You are happy with Utd making a SF once in a while because apparently that's a great feat. You're okay with appointing a manager that couldn't take his team to the next level which was actually winning things. You're okay with appointing a manager who isn't wanted by his current employers and who is an expert in bottling big games.

The fact that you believe that ETH is being considered purely because of a CL run that happened 3 years ago is borderline hilarious . Obviously you dont care about the pragmatic not so attractive football Poch serves and obviously you dont care about winning any trophies, same as Poch who said that it is only for feeding egos.

Ok. So say Hag didn't make that semifinal do you honestly think we'd be looking at him based on what he's achieved domestically alone? Please answer that because Peter Bosz before him actually made it to the EL final with a team of kids. De Boer before Bosz won the Eridivisie 4 times on the trot. Both managers didn't last a season after their step up post Ajax. Pochetinno punched above his weight and broke into the top three on three occasions with one of those seasons being a genuine title challenging one (2016/17). Had he managed City or Liverpool with the support and structure they currently have he'd have won the title at least once. You simply can't grasp the magnitude of his achievements at Spurs and that says a lot about you. The fact you label Poch pragmatic snd stop at that that indicates you know nothing about his philosophy and array of trusted plays in his overall approach. Pep and Klopp have also on more than one occasion shown willingness to sacrifice their main ideals and leaned on pragmatism to get over the line in key games. Maybe you should watch and observe more

 

[reddevilz007]

Im glad Simeone is not a candidate. Man is too scared to play attacking football against top teams.

 

[pocco]

A summary of Ten Hag's playing style and philosophy:

* The fundamental, unyielding starting point is the strategic principle. This consists of a specific set of key playing patterns that are the core focus of training sessions and are drilled into the players to become automatic and intuitive.
* Team formations, types of players and playing styles are all subject to this strategic principle. If the game calls for a deep striker, he will play a deep striker. if it needs a false nine, he'll play a false nine. The central tenet is that it doesn't matter who you play in which position, as long as that player knows their patterns and the strategic principle. This allows for flexibility while still retaining a recognisable style that is intuitive for the players.
* Strategic principle key patterns breakdown:
i. Outnumber your opponent in midfield . This can be achieved either by moving up your central defender(s) (e.g. De Jong, Timber at Ajax), dropping back your central forward (e.g. Tadic) or have your wingers roam freely (e.g. Ziyech, Berghuis).
ii. Positional changes in attack. A central theme of the 'Dutch School' and long practiced at Ajax, but modernised by Ten Hag.
iii. Don't overuse the wide spaces. The old Ajax philosophy was to have the wingers glued to the sidelines in order to make rushes and provide crosses into the sixteen yard box. Under Ten Hag, the wingers and backs instead work in tandem. If one moves in, the other moves out, and vice versa. This creates a dilemma for the opposing defenders: do I stick with my opponent or do I guard the space?
iiii. Ball possession is a means, not a goal. Movement off the ball is just as important. The key is to identify promising movements by your forwards in order to launch them into free spaces behind the opponent's defence.
iiiii. During an attack all players, regardless of their 'normal' position on the pitch, must anticipate loss of possession. This translates into having 3-4 players behind the ball at all times, e.g. by having an attacker drop back when a defender is actively involved in an attack higher up the pitch.
iiiiii. Collective pressing on the opponent in all lines when loss of possession occurs.
iiiiiii. If pressing fails, focus on defending the sixteen yard box, even if this means falling back and opening up the wings. this ensures players are able to regroup quickly and cover key areas, to minimise counter attack success.
iiiiiiii. The central axis is key. force the opponents to use the wings and smother them there.
iiiiiiiii. Keep the distances between the lines short. When attacking, defenders are very high up the pitch. When defending, attackers are back in their own half. It allows for quick positional shifts and short, speedy passing.
iiiiiiiiii. Defensively, zonal marking is strongly preferred over man marking. This avoids players being dragged out of position.
* Preferred formation: 4-2-3-1.
* Ten Hag adjusts his playing style to best fit the specific skill sets of his players. As long as the players adhere to the strategic principles, the automatic patterns, there can be a lot of flexibility in playing style and it is easy to make adjustments to compensate for injuries or to fit in new players.
* Players must know exactly what to do when switching from attacking to defensive play during loss of possession. Key is to smother the lost ball early and cut off passing lines of play in order to win the ball back quickly.
* Most glaring defensive weakness: by pressurising the ball and forcing the opponent wide, Ten Hag's teams allow large open spaces to form in other areas of the pitch. If an opponent successfully avoids being smothered or cut off, suddenly the way to the goal is wide open.

Good, informative post. Is this your own observations or are you quoting this? That last part worries me slightly. I don't think you can lean entirely on a pressing game in the PL as there are good, technical, well coached teams up and down the league.

So nothing of substance to counter with? You really take these articles as gospel truth don't you? Poor soul, you still haven't realized the hope kills you. I'd gladly welcome Hag BTW. I do like his style and approach



How is Poch's football antiquated when his style is based on the high press and quick progression of the ball which most top managers utilize to good effect in the modern game? Poch is more aggressive and attack minded than the more possession based Ten Hag who also primarily uses the same 4-2-3-1 formation Poch goes for. The major difference between them is Hag likes to load the left flank when in attacking positions. Peter Bosz before Ten Hag at Ajax had a more aggressive approach similar to Tuchel, Klopp and the godfather of modern Genpressing Rangknick himself but Hag’s style has yielded more numbers in attack.

All you're saying here is you'd rather give Hag a chance because he's an unknown with a potential for success and Poch is a known quantity 'past his best by date' (incorrectly). You don't seem to be saying much about either Hag or Pochetinnos respective styles. PSG fans are among the most entitled in Europe. They lambasted Tuchel too in the end FFS. In all honesty they've had bigger issues with their big stars not delivering when it counts, particularly Neymar



Pochetinno punched above his weight and broke into the top three on three occasions with one of those seasons being a genuine title challenging one (2016/17). Had he managed City or Liverpool with the support and structure they currently have he'd have won the title at least once. You simply can't grasp the magnitude of his achievements at Spurs and that says a lot about you. The fact you label Poch pragmatic snd stop at that that indicates you know nothing about his philosophy and array of trusted plays in his overall approach. Pep and Klopp have also on more than one occasion shown willingness to sacrifice their main ideals and leaned on pragmatism to get over the line in key games. Maybe you should watch and observe more

Good post. The highlighted parts are my frustrations with this whole debate. It seems a lot of heavily involved posters actually don't know a lot about the subject matter. They have the nerve to call our ex players for backing Poch and not being up to date with football in other leagues, yet they seemingly don't know enough about people that have coached in the PL! The amount of falsehoods and misinformation presented on here in this managerial debate is astounding.

 

[United in sin]

People just need to look at Klopp. That’s it, there wasn’t a great structure before him. Adman wrote a great post on exactly that.

I knew you’d bring this up finally. You sure do love mentioning things in a vacuum. Poch had been building that squad for a while and that was when they were probably at the peak of their powers and Pep had just inherited his side. They lost and drew quite a bit that season. I mean the following season after Pep had time to mould his team they took Spurs to the cleaners.

Yes, they took Spurs to the cleaners after Pep spent hundreds of millions that summer transfer window on players who played a key role in him beginning his reign of dominance. Bernardo Silva, Laporte, Ederson and Spurs right back Kyle Walker who helped Spurs keep City out the season prior were signed that summer. Who did Spurs add to their squad in 2017/18 that played meaningful roles? Only Moura who's biggest contribution was scoring the winner against Ten Hags Ajax in that 2019 semifinal

 

[United in sin]

Good, informative post. Is this your own observations or are you quoting this? That last part worries me slightly. I don't think you can lean entirely on a pressing game in the PL as there are good, technical, well coached teams up and down the league.



Good post. The highlighted parts are my frustrations with this whole debate. It seems a lot of heavily involved posters actually don't know a lot about the subject matter. They have the nerve to call our ex players for backing Poch and not being up to date with football in other leagues, yet they seemingly don't know enough about people that have coached in the PL! The amount of falsehoods and misinformation presented on here in this managerial debate is astounding.

It really is astounding! I keep harping on about the lack of nuance in the hope it actually translates to more informative and meaningful debates when evaluating the candidates. So far it's come to naught, many of Pochs detractors and even some casual posters on the fence remain firm in their basic understanding and mispresentstion of what he's about.

 

[In Rainbows]

How is Poch's football antiquated when his style is based on the high press and quick progression of the ball which most top managers utilize to good effect in the modern game? Poch is more aggressive and attack minded than the more possession based Ten Hag who also primarily uses the same 4-2-3-1 formation Poch goes for. The major difference between them is Hag likes to load the left flank when in attacking positions. Peter Bosz before Ten Hag at Ajax had a more aggressive approach similar to Tuchel, Klopp and the godfather of modern Genpressing Rangknick himself but Hag’s style has yielded more numbers in attack.

Poch has his PSG with talented players up and down the side with only 64 goals scored in 30 league matches. Tuchel's last full season had PSG with 75 goals in 27 matches played. The season prior had them with 105 goals in 38 league matches. The season they shared (last season) had Tuchel with 39 goals in 17 matches where as Poch had 47 goals in 21 matches, which was slightly inferior to Tuchel.

Why do you guys keep trying to pass off Poch's football as entertaining? Stop ignoring one of the fans' main arguments in favor of ETH just to make Poch look better.

 

[Escobar]

Poch has his PSG with talented players up and down the side with only 64 goals scored in 30 league matches. Tuchel's last full season had PSG with 75 goals in 27 matches played. The season prior had them with 105 goals in 38 league matches. The season they shared (last season) had Tuchel with 39 goals in 17 matches where as Poch had 47 goals in 21 matches, which was slightly inferior to Tuchel.

Why do you guys keep trying to pass off Poch's football as entertaining? Stop ignoring one of the fans' main arguments in favor of ETH just to make Poch look better.

People think because he had 1 good season with Spurs (a lost CL final) he can deliver a miracle with us

 

[United in sin]

Poch has his PSG with talented players up and down the side with only 64 goals scored in 30 league matches. Tuchel's last full season had PSG with 75 goals in 27 matches played. The season prior had them with 105 goals in 38 league matches. The season they shared (last season) had Tuchel with 39 goals in 17 matches where as Poch had 47 goals in 21 matches, which was slightly inferior to Tuchel.

Why do you guys keep trying to pass off Poch's football as entertaining? Stop ignoring one of the fans' main arguments in favor of ETH just to make Poch look better.

Pochetinno's Spurs teams outscored united's more expensively assembled attacks for four seasons straight from 2015-16 to 2018-19. In one of those seasons they finished with the most goals scored (2016/17) and overall in that time they finished among the top three top scorers in the league thrice, outscoring several other more expensively assembled attacks in the toughest league on the planet. He's only getting started at PSG. What am I ignoring? Hag has done a brilliant job domestically in the Eridivisie. Not a top league. Poch's football is entertaining to me, that's purely subjective

People think because he had 1 good season with Spurs (a lost CL final) he can deliver a miracle with us

And it's funny because many are basing their main support of Ten Hag on his one semifinal appearance in the CL, one he lost to Poch may I add from a winning position at home. His domestic success is impressive but it's the Eridivisie ffs, harder to fail with Ajax than succeed. And yes Ten Hag succeeded with aplomb but the point stands

 

[hobbers]

Sad thing about all this ETH vs Poch nonsense is that if either Enrique or Tuchel were actually available they would be first choice by a mile and the other two wouldn't have a sniff.

 

[In Rainbows]

Pochetinno's Spurs teams outscored united's more expensively assembled attacks for four seasons straight from 2015-16 to 2018-19. In one of those seasons they finished with the most goals scored (2016/17) and overall in that time they finished among the top three top scorers in the league thrice, outscoring several other more expensively assembled attacks in the toughest league on the planet. He's only getting started at PSG. What am I ignoring? Hag has done a brilliant job domestically in the Eridivisie. Not a top league. Poch's football is entertaining to me, that's purely subjective

United have been awful to watch so why are they in the comparison? Everybody has been more entertaining to watch than United. Poch's Spurs teams were only entertaining in that one season you cited. And I don't necessarily believe goals scored means great football. So I tend to give more leeway towards sides with a clear identity that play with great patterns of play. Poch has a similar reputation of someone like Klopp, but unlike Klopp, his football doesn't look as organized as Klopp's sides.

I would agree with you on ETH, if not for his CL performances that reflect his league performances. And I would agree with you if ETH did not have his level of consistency when it comes to goals scored. For example, Ajax under Jol only had 1 season with 100 goals scored, and then had a dip the half season that Jol resigned.

Ranking of most goals scored per game in Eredivisie of last 12 seasons. This includes every dutch side (Ajax, PSV, Twente).

1. ETH 19' = 3.5 gpg
2. Jol 10' = 3.12 gpg
3. Advocaat 13' = 3.03 gpg
4. ETH 21' = 3 gpg
5. ETH 22' = 2.96 gpg
6. MVB 19' = 2.88 gpg
7. de Boer 12' = 2.74 gpg
8. ETH 20' = 2.72 gpg
9. Cocu 15'= 2.71 gpg
10. Keizer, ETH* 18' = 2.62 gpg (* ETH only had 2.19 gpg after he took over).
11. Cocu 16' = 2.59 gpg
12. Cocu 18' = 2.56 gpg
13. Rutten, Cocu 12' = 2.56 gpg
14. Schmidt 22' = 2.54 gpg
15. Bronckhorst 17' = 2.53 gpg
16. Adriaanse, Mcclaren 12' = 2.41 gpg
17. Rutten 11' = 2.32 gpg

Looking at this list, ETH is remarkably consistent when it comes to goals scored. In the last 13 seasons, ETH had 3 of the top 5 most goal scoring seasons in the Eredivisie. After selling off his players following the 2019 season, he still had the 8th best goal scoring season of the last 13 seasons. So even if you want to discount the Eredivisie, it's not like managers are putting up the same kind of attacking performances ETH has done. As mentioned earlier, Jol had the 2nd best goal scoring season, but following that season, he ended up with 2.12 gpg. He still had Suarez for most of that half season, and he had an emerging Eriksen.

 

[Real Name]

Perhaps, Simeone? The football will be absolutely horrible. The United fans will be driven away, and the revenue will crater. Then, finally, the American owners might sell the club.

Interesting concept.

 

[sewey89]

If we do appoint ETH (who, despite the mood in here, is the massive favourite) what are you lot going to moan about?

 

[Bebestation]

Why did Ajax lose against Benfica?

Was Ten Hag doing well in that game? Just worried because the way people talk about him it does sound that maybe he could overdo Benfica who are the 3rd best in their league.

 

[Real Name]

If we do appoint ETH (who, despite the mood in here, is the massive favourite) what are you lot going to moan about?

First defeat and it will start.

 

[Flexdegea]

So nothing of substance to counter with? You really take these articles as gospel truth don't you? Poor soul, you still haven't realized the hope kills you. I'd gladly welcome Hag BTW. I do like his style and approach



How is Poch's football antiquated when his style is based on the high press and quick progression of the ball which most top managers utilize to good effect in the modern game? Poch is more aggressive and attack minded than the more possession based Ten Hag who also primarily uses the same 4-2-3-1 formation Poch goes for. The major difference between them is Hag likes to load the left flank when in attacking positions. Peter Bosz before Ten Hag at Ajax had a more aggressive approach similar to Tuchel, Klopp and the godfather of modern Genpressing Rangknick himself but Hag’s style has yielded more numbers in attack.

All you're saying here is you'd rather give Hag a chance because he's an unknown with a potential for success and Poch is a known quantity 'past his best by date' (incorrectly). You don't seem to be saying much about either Hag or Pochetinnos respective styles. PSG fans are among the most entitled in Europe. They lambasted Tuchel too in the end FFS. In all honesty they've had bigger issues with their big stars not delivering when it counts, particularly Neymar



Ok. So say Hag didn't make that semifinal do you honestly think we'd be looking at him based on what he's achieved domestically alone? Please answer that because Peter Bosz before him actually made it to the EL final with a team of kids. De Boer before Bosz won the Eridivisie 4 times on the trot. Both managers didn't last a season after their step up post Ajax. Pochetinno punched above his weight and broke into the top three on three occasions with one of those seasons being a genuine title challenging one (2016/17). Had he managed City or Liverpool with the support and structure they currently have he'd have won the title at least once. You simply can't grasp the magnitude of his achievements at Spurs and that says a lot about you. The fact you label Poch pragmatic snd stop at that that indicates you know nothing about his philosophy and array of trusted plays in his overall approach. Pep and Klopp have also on more than one occasion shown willingness to sacrifice their main ideals and leaned on pragmatism to get over the line in key games. Maybe you should watch and observe more

That what I'm saying, you were making Hag sound like sort of chump while managing to make Poch time at PSG like the 2nd coming of Fergie, which seems so far from reality to be honest.

Why I made my post. Then you say you like ETH and his approach and style etc, which you have said at numerous times over the last couple weeks, but in that post managed to make him sound shite that only spurs were apparently ever looking at him, while in same breath propping up the guy who spurs actually sacked for having a shambolic last season



Not a case of me believing the articles. More and more are coming out saying he's the favourite at the moment, seems to tie in with your feverish like defence of Poch, that is what I am observing here.



Poch is a good coach but there is no point going over old ground covering reasons why I don't think he is the answer for us at the moment.

 

[DWelbz19]

Why did Ajax lose against Benfica?

Was Ten Hag doing well in that game? Just worried because the way people talk about him it does sound that maybe he could overdo Benfica who are the 3rd best in their league.

It was like the type of banana peel game that Pep’s City would have, really. Massively in control with possession and the ball, limited Benfica to like 3 shots, and the goal came from a set piece/cross against their midget defenders and a stinker from the keeper

 

[Cassidy]

Why did Ajax lose against Benfica?

Was Ten Hag doing well in that game? Just worried because the way people talk about him it does sound that maybe he could overdo Benfica who are the 3rd best in their league.

Ajax played well. It can happen. Not sure losing one game is that important in his whole body of work.

 

[saivet]

Why did Ajax lose against Benfica?

Was Ten Hag doing well in that game? Just worried because the way people talk about him it does sound that maybe he could overdo Benfica who are the 3rd best in their league.

I think the ETH bias took over and it's largely been brushed aside. From the sound of it though, on the balance of play Ajax should have qualified but the same could be said for Poch with PSG vs Madrid but most here were onto him.

 

[Laurencio]

It really is astounding! I keep harping on about the lack of nuance in the hope it actually translates to more informative and meaningful debates when evaluating the candidates. So far it's come to naught, many of Pochs detractors and even some casual posters on the fence remain firm in their basic understanding and mispresentstion of what he's about.

I have come to terms with the fact that until Pochettino actually manages a top side for an extended period of time a lot of people will keep misrepresenting him, his style and his achievements. The goalpost gets moved every time. He's won nothing -> He's won nothing of consequence -> Big deal, he won with PSG -> PSG aren't dominating everything in their path. Doesn't matter that the Neymar, Mbappe, Messi trio is working better together, nor that there is a steady progression in the ability of several players in the team or that issues seem to be coached out of the side as the season progresses. Heck, even the fact that PSG's stars actually like to play for him seems to be a mark against him. We've descended to the point where people are actively comparing his style to Mourinho and Sam Allardyce...

Why did Ajax lose against Benfica?

Was Ten Hag doing well in that game? Just worried because the way people talk about him it does sound that maybe he could overdo Benfica who are the 3rd best in their league.

Because football. Ajax and Benfica are fairly similarly strength sides. The first leg was a tie - Ajax probably should have gotten away with a win from that, but their defence made a handful of mistakes that cost them two goals - a defender basically provided an assist, and the goalkeeper deflected a shot up into the air onto the head of Benfica's striker (the defender should have done better there as well). Second leg they just couldn't seem to hit the goal. Ajax dominated both fixtures in every category aside from goals scored IIRC. Sometimes football just does something unexpected. Same thing that happened for Pochettino against Real Madrid. Goalkeeper made a mistake (why would you dribble Benzema?) and then Marquinhos makes two mistakes to allow Benzema two more goals. For both it was players making unecessary and silly mistakes.

Neither result was really on the manager.

 

[Spoony]

Online fans wouldn't give Poch a chance. That said I don't think United should listen to them, they're pretty irrelevant. Erik for me, but of it's Poch I'd gladly back him.

 

[Gurtej]

It’s scary when people Like Darren Fletcher are one of the key people interviewing for the most critical position ….

Problem with our club is that they are living in the past and hoping for another Jesus like second coming of SAF.

Former players talk well but are completely deluded….When i heard Rooney talking about who we should rebuild around…. Players like Markus, Young Lingard, World class Macquire and amazing Mctom… you know we are in deep trouble…

At no other successful club do previous managers or players have this much influence….And rightly so as football evolves and we need fresh ideas…

How can it take so long to make a managerial decision…. Look at Chelsea and RM, you don’t hear this nonsense about interviews if you know what you want…..and they are likely to be more successful judging by last 10 years…

I am 100% convinced that we will get it wrong again….

 

[LawCharltonBest]

Online fans wouldn't give Poch a chance. That said I don't United should listen to them, they're pretty irrelevant. Erik for me, but of it's Poch I'd gladly back him.

Agree

I'd say though, that United are so starved of success that it would only take Pochettino having a few wins on the bounce, dominating a couple of teams and showing a positive style of play to shut most of the online naysayers up.

I want ETH more, like you. As I see him becoming one of the elite managers over the next decade. But something in the back of my mind says he'd be better at a ready made team, whereas Pochettino and his coaching team might be more of a fit for this Manchester United, to stabilize them as a top team again.

 

[Laurencio]

Agree

I'd say though, that United are so starved of success that it would only take Pochettino having a few wins on the bounce, dominating a couple of teams and showing a positive style of play to shut most of the online naysayers up.

I want ETH more, like you. As I see him becoming one of the elite managers over the next decade. But something in the back of my mind says he'd be better at a ready made team, whereas Pochettino and his coaching team might be more of a fit for this Manchester United, to stabilize them as a top team again.

A point that isn't discussed nearly enough. Pochettino brings with him a top class coaching team with a history of improving indivudals and team performances. Ten Hag is being asked to have his former boss as an assistant and bring in a dutch former Man Utd player to "handle the dressing room". I admire Ten Hag's style and managerial ability, but that is something that concerns me. We've already had 4 seasons of sub-par coaches with little to no experienc at top clubs - I really don't want to see us keep making the mistake of neglecting our coaching team.

 

[golden_blunder]

Pochetinno's Spurs teams outscored united's more expensively assembled attacks for four seasons straight from 2015-16 to 2018-19. In one of those seasons they finished with the most goals scored (2016/17) and overall in that time they finished among the top three top scorers in the league thrice, outscoring several other more expensively assembled attacks in the toughest league on the planet. He's only getting started at PSG. What am I ignoring? Hag has done a brilliant job domestically in the Eridivisie. Not a top league. Poch's football is entertaining to me, that's purely subjective

If you dig deeper, and I said this at the time, United declined in goals scored year on year since LVG came in, then Jose. It’s only under Ole that it started to improve again. We were actually one of the worst in the league statistically at scoring goals under LVG so
It’s not surprising that spurs scored more than us.

also statistically; Pochs record against top6 in PL is absolutely shocking. That’s why I feel we already know his level, and regardless if Ten Hag is a success or not; we need to try a completely new approach to wake this club up. Under Poch I think it would be more of the same after a new manager bounce period

 

[RedC]

Online fans wouldn't give Poch a chance. That said I don't think United should listen to them, they're pretty irrelevant. Erik for me, but of it's Poch I'd gladly back him.

Such a stupid comment.

 

[Spoony]

Agree

I'd say though, that United are so starved of success that it would only take Pochettino having a few wins on the bounce, dominating a couple of teams and showing a positive style of play to shut most of the online naysayers up.

I want ETH more, like you. As I see him becoming one of the elite managers over the next decade. But something in the back of my mind says he'd be better at a ready made team, whereas Pochettino and his coaching team might be more of a fit for this Manchester United, to stabilize them as a top team again.

Yeah, I agree with that... I think Poch could fit into our structure or lack of, whereas ETH would probably be struggle with how unprofessional the club has become. He's probably a risky appointment but if it works...!!!

 

[Cloud7]

If we do appoint ETH (who, despite the mood in here, is the massive favourite) what are you lot going to moan about?

The ones who want Poch will moan loud enough for the entire forum

 

[golden_blunder]

Online fans wouldn't give Poch a chance. That said I don't think United should listen to them, they're pretty irrelevant. Erik for me, but of it's Poch I'd gladly back him.

I’d give him time but I have serious doubts over the level that Poch can manage too. His win record against top 6 is shocking, worse than Jose and Ole. It wouldn’t take much more than a couple of seasons of always losing to Liverpool (which is statistically his worst opponent) or city for United fans to turn and we’re back at square one. Possible with ETH gone elsewhere and doing well. With Poch I think on average we get more of the same whereas we don’t know with ETH but hell wouldn’t it be exciting to try something different?

 

[sewey89]

It’s scary when people Like Darren Fletcher are one of the key people interviewing for the most critical position ….

Problem with our club is that they are living in the past and hoping for another Jesus like second coming of SAF.

Former players talk well but are completely deluded….When i heard Rooney talking about who we should rebuild around…. Players like Markus, Young Lingard, World class Macquire and amazing Mctom… you know we are in deep trouble…

At no other successful club do previous managers or players have this much influence….And rightly so as football evolves and we need fresh ideas…

How can it take so long to make a managerial decision…. Look at Chelsea and RM, you don’t hear this nonsense about interviews if you know what you want…..and they are likely to be more successful judging by last 10 years…

I am 100% convinced that we will get it wrong again….

You've just invented a story and then proceeded to get angry about it.

 

[sewey89]

The ones who want Poch will moan loud enough for the entire forum

Are there any?

 

[Stretfordender786]

I swear I can’t stomach the fact Liverpool could possibly win the quad. It just makes everything so depressing

 

[Spoony]

I’d give him time but I have serious doubts over the level that Poch can manage too. His win record against top 6 is shocking, worse than Jose and Ole. It wouldn’t take much more than a couple of seasons of always losing to Liverpool (which is statistically his worst opponent) or city for United fans to turn and we’re back at square one. Possible with ETH gone elsewhere and doing well. With Poch I think on average we get more of the same whereas we don’t know with ETH but hell wouldn’t it be exciting to try something different?

I have the same concerns as you but I don't think we really have a stand out candidate. I like ETH's brand of football...I want to see it implemented at United but I can't help but feel he needs a better structure around him.

 

[Lynty]

If we do appoint ETH (who, despite the mood in here, is the massive favourite) what are you lot going to moan about?

The usual.

Rashford, AWB, Maguire, the fact that Hannibal isn't in the starting 11, why haven't we replaced seven starting positions in one window.

 

[golden_blunder]

I have the same concerns as you but I don't think we really have a stand out candidate. I like ETH's brand of football...I want to see it implemented at United but I can't help but feel he needs a better structure around him.

Step 1. Get the preferred candidate in

by all accounts he’s no pushover, let him get the structure he needs but let’s not lose him whilst the world debates Poch or ETH

 

[golden_blunder]

Are there any?

The cult of Poch is strong

 

[golden_blunder]

It’s scary when people Like Darren Fletcher are one of the key people interviewing for the most critical position ….

Problem with our club is that they are living in the past and hoping for another Jesus like second coming of SAF.

Former players talk well but are completely deluded….When i heard Rooney talking about who we should rebuild around…. Players like Markus, Young Lingard, World class Macquire and amazing Mctom… you know we are in deep trouble…

At no other successful club do previous managers or players have this much influence….And rightly so as football evolves and we need fresh ideas…

How can it take so long to make a managerial decision…. Look at Chelsea and RM, you don’t hear this nonsense about interviews if you know what you want…..and they are likely to be more successful judging by last 10 years…

I am 100% convinced that we will get it wrong again….

And what position is this?

 

[DomesticTadpole]

And what position is this?

Scapegoat.

 

[romufc]

Are there any?

There is a lot of I told you so people on the caf.

 

[golden_blunder]

Scapegoat.

Seems that way, especially when everyone who says that has a misunderstanding of what his role is

 

[Spoony]

Step 1. Get the preferred candidate in

by all accounts he’s no pushover, let him get the structure he needs but let’s not lose him whilst the world debates Poch or ETH

Geebs, we're talking about United. If we're serious about improving the football side of things then yeah he could be the right man. I don't think the board really cares what the world outside of Old Trafford thinks.. Anyway if they were serious about Poch they ought to have shoved a few million in the faces of the PSG board and got their man. But yeah ETH with perhaps RVP with him would be ideal.