Next permanent manager | Poll updated

Who should be the next permanent manager?

  • Luis Enrique

    Votes: 113 7.4%

  • Erik ten Hag

    Votes: 1,300 84.7%

  • Julen Lopetegui

    Votes: 10 0.7%

  • Mauricio Pochettino

    Votes: 79 5.1%

  • None of the above

    Votes: 32 2.1%
  • Total voters
    1,534
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Definitely seeing a theme here. Ole a good enough manager? Fletcher a suitable technical director? Giggs as an interim manager/coach/scout? Neville, Butt etc advising on who should be the new manager?

We're employing/consulting people on sentiment alone, not on their aptitude to perform those roles. Th irony being, we have a world class and proven DoF at the club but we're using him as an interim and he's gone from the picture at the end of the season. In fact, it sounds like we're not even listening to his advice.

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Mauricio Pochettino was back talking about his lemons this week: the ones that he has in a bowl on his office desk at Tottenham Hotspur’s training ground in Enfield to absorb negative vibes. As he explained on talkSPORT: “Some people arrive with bad energy. The energy is going to the lemon not to myself.”

He went on to explain that he normally changed his lemons every ten days but sometimes more regularly if they seemed to be going off. “Maybe the pain of the people,” he said. And perhaps the most remarkable thing was not the story itself but that, in a sporting realm not exactly known for being open-minded to non-conformity, there was no queue to poke fun at the manager as an eccentric.
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So the difference between Ten Hag and Pochettino is like oranges and lemons ?
 
Freak said:
I’m looking at this in a positive light. They probably asked former players who have played under the managers we are interested in. So maybe Daley Blind for Ten Hag and Ander Herrera for Poch.
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In reality it was Gary and Scholes because both of them had a bright career in management positions that require a lot of long term planning.
 
Kellyiom said:
But why though? I just don't get it. Would they really be cheering 4th places? Or is it like lessgreatdane says, to look like a better pundit?
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I think there's disdain among ex-players towards the fans.
 
Time to get the Ouija board out, Darren. I'm sure the Busby Babes have a few opinions on this matter too. Chop, chop.
 
MUFC OK said:
Definitely seeing a theme here. Ole a good enough manager? Fletcher a suitable technical director? Giggs as an interim manager/coach/scout? Neville, Butt etc advising on who should be the new manager?

We're employing/consulting people on sentiment alone, not on their aptitude to perform those roles. Th irony being, we have a world class and proven DoF at the club but we're using him as an interim and he's gone from the picture at the end of the season. In fact, it sounds like we're not even listening to his advice.

No words.
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He's not gone from the picture at the end of the season. Also limited role doesnt mean he isnt listened to.
 
You can see the way this is going. The whole ex-player spiel, after hearing them all one by one, telling us how they want Pochettino. It sickens me to be honest. I hope we find out who the new manager is before the season ticket renewal deadline.
 
I think McLaren being a former manager and having success in management will hold more sway compared to our former players when evaluating the potential of a head coach.

It's also absolutely fine to ask people to give their opinions. There's nothing wrong with that.

And according to Mitten, several ex players recommended Luis Enrique for the role when the process started over 6 weeks ago.
 
FrankDrebin said:
Time to get the Ouija board out, Darren. I'm sure the Busby Babes have a few opinions on this matter too. Chop, chop.
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I can imagine the board actually doing this at this rate :lol:
Bunch of lemons just trying to find ways to tap into ex players heads to get some sort of clue. The whole process reminds me of this:

 
Adnan said:
I think McLaren being a former manager and having success in management will hold more sway compared to our former players when evaluating the potential of a head coach.

It's also absolutely fine to ask people to give their opinions. There's nothing wrong with that.

And according to Mitten, several ex players recommended Luis Enrique for the role when the process started over 6 weeks ago.
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Yeah absolutely. Also I dont think players were asked in person but maybe news was about what do they think or talk among themselves. I havent kept track but I guess thats the whole 'underwhelming Ten Hag doesnt have players' support' stuff going around.
 
Adnan said:
I think McLaren being a former manager and having success in management will hold more sway compared to our former players when evaluating the potential of a head coach.

It's also absolutely fine to ask people to give their opinions. There's nothing wrong with that.

And according to Mitten, several ex players recommended Luis Enrique for the role when the process started over 6 weeks ago.
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Is the Mitten article from Athletic?
 
If Poch is appointed he won't be getting a shred of support from me and I'll be counting down the days until his dismissal. The club can shove that joke of an appointment up their arse if it happens.
 
MUFC OK said:
Because they've all come out in support of Poch, all part of a plan to legitimise the appointment.
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Basically this is what might well be happening. Why would Rooney come out now and publicly back Poch unless someone had told him to? Why would people be leaking that Ralf has limited input when we know he backs ETH? Why would they be emphasising that Murtough and Fletcher are making the decision, not Arnold? Is this the smoke from the fire of a PR operation to sell a commerical decision to the fans?

Don't get me wrong - Poch is a good manager. But if he's going to be operating within the same bullsh#t commercial rules as the previous managers, the result will be the same.
 
glazed said:
Basically this is what might well be happening. Why would Rooney come out now and publicly back Poch unless someone had told him to? Why would people be leaking that Ralf has limited input when we know he backs ETH? Why would they be emphasising that Murtough and Fletcher are making the decision, not Arnold? Is this the smoke from the fire of a PR operation to sell a commerical decision to the fans?
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Exactly what I think is happening. I've suspected that the choice was always Poch, but fans overwhelmingly favouring ETH is an obstacle to the board and they want to look like they're conducting a thorough process.

Solution: Leak any baseless deficiency you can think of to belittle ETH, say Poch is the players choice, wheel out the legends to publicly state that they want Poch and try to sway fan opinion, then drag the whole thing out until it becomes clear that PSG will let him go for minimal compensation.

I suspect Rangnick knows what is going on and that's why I think he's publicly stated his 4 point plan this week. He probably senses that it won't be followed. Would love to have an honest chat to him about what's going on inside the club.
 
Blood Mage said:
If Poch is appointed he won't be getting a shred of support from me and I'll be counting down the days until his dismissal. The club can shove that joke of an appointment up their arse if it happens.
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I'm with you brother.

He's a good manager but will never compete with the best in this league. I think ore than anything it would signify fan opinion being overlooked and the way it's being spun to us, rightly in my opinion, justifies discontent.
 
But there are a ton of "leaks" demonstrating the opposite too, feel like we believe the reports we don't like and not the ones we do like, which is frustrating as it is effecting peoples perceptions of certain people e.g. seen posters give Fergie stick because he apparently wants Poch which could be a load of rubbish.
 
Adnan said:
Not from The Athletic and he doesn't say much in all honesty. He's just rehashed old news and filled in column inches.

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I really like Andy but I always feel like I've wasted my time when I read his mainstream articles. I guess the truth just isn't very interesting.
 
glazed said:
Basically this is what might well be happening. Why would Rooney come out now and publicly back Poch unless someone had told him to? Why would people be leaking that Ralf has limited input when we know he backs ETH? Why would they be emphasising that Murtough and Fletcher are making the decision, not Arnold? Is this the smoke from the fire of a PR operation to sell a commerical decision to the fans?

Don't get me wrong - Poch is a good manager. But if he's going to be operating within the same bullsh#t commercial rules as the previous managers, the result will be the same.
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The Rooney quote is really worrying. I think he knows who is the next manager.
 
MUFC OK said:
I'm with you brother.

He's a good manager but will never compete with the best in this league. I think ore than anything it would signify fan opinion being overlooked and the way it's being spun to us, rightly in my opinion, justifies discontent.
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Blood Mage said:
If Poch is appointed he won't be getting a shred of support from me and I'll be counting down the days until his dismissal. The club can shove that joke of an appointment up their arse if it happens.
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Christ guys, how about we just support whoever is appointed unconditionally? Im not a big Poch fan but if he comes then so be it and we should get behind him and the lads.
 
I just hope ETH wasn't the person who gave Dutch lessons to Steve McLaren when he was McLarens assistant, wouldn't bode well for his coaching abilities.
 
Berbasbullet said:
Christ guys, how about we just support whoever is appointed unconditionally? Im not a big Poch fan but if he comes then so be it and we should get behind him and the lads.
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Would be another failed endeavour and wasted 3 years in my opinion. We now have a credible alternative to what we've been doing the past 9 years.

Once he's here, I'll support still support the team. I just think it would be a very ill-advised appointment.
 


Who's this guy? seems fairly well connected, but don't think I've seen his name before.
 
MUFC OK said:
Exactly what I think is happening. I've suspected that the choice was always Poch, but fans overwhelmingly favouring ETH is an obstacle to the board and they want to look like they're conducting a thorough process.

Solution: Leak any baseless deficiency you can think of to belittle ETH, say Poch is the players choice, wheel out the legends to publicly state that they want Poch and try to sway fan opinion, then drag the whole thing out until it becomes clear that PSG will let him go for minimal compensation.

I suspect Rangnick knows what is going on and that's why I think he's publicly stated his 4 point plan this week. He probably senses that it won't be followed. Would love to have an honest chat to him about what's going on inside the club.
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This. No more to add.

The way the narrative is being crafted it's going to be Poch, but they may surprise us as they did with Ralf appointment.

But all in all, it looks like it's Poch, mainly because of Ferguson I think.
 
Lash said:


Who's this guy? seems fairly well connected, but don't think I've seen his name before.
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Aspiring journalist, has gained 1000 of his 2900 followers since that tweet yesterday. Definitely not someone in the know imo.
 
MUFC OK said:
Would be another failed endeavour and wasted 3 years in my opinion. We now have a credible alternative to what we've been doing the past 9 years.

Once he's here, I'll support still support the team. I just think it would be a very ill-advised appointment.
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Perhaps! Wont help to automatically stop supporting the team, although sounds like you wouldnt do that.

Not like Poch is an absolutely dreadful alternative though, either option is decent to be honest but I really like what ETH is serving.
 
Lash said:


Who's this guy? seems fairly well connected, but don't think I've seen his name before.
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Somebody pretending to know things that he does not, in the hope of attracting followers on Twitter.

The club are briefing anyone reputable that we've got one round of interviews to go, that we are down to two candidates (Pochettino and Ten Hag) and that there is no front runner. That is the current situation. Nobody has been signed up and no deals have been secretly done. We just have to wait for the process to finish.
 
Berbasbullet said:
Christ guys, how about we just support whoever is appointed unconditionally? Im not a big Poch fan but if he comes then so be it and we should get behind him and the lads.
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It's that kind of attitude (no offence) that has allowed the Glazers to asset strip the club for decades. If it's Poch then it's going to be business as usual. He might even bring in Rooney as assistant. I fear we are being gaslit.

Berbasbullet said:
But there are a ton of "leaks" demonstrating the opposite too, feel like we believe the reports we don't like and not the ones we do like, which is frustrating as it is effecting peoples perceptions of certain people e.g. seen posters give Fergie stick because he apparently wants Poch which could be a load of rubbish.
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I see it as mainly in one direction. That said it might be orchestrated by the Poch faction and not by the club itself. The next few days will be a huge fork in the road for this club. Get this wrong and we are properly feked.
 
Berbasbullet said:
Perhaps! Wont help to automatically stop supporting the team, although sounds like you wouldnt do that.

Not like Poch is an absolutely dreadful alternative though, either option is decent to be honest but I really like what ETH is serving.
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It's about the ceiling of each for me. Poch can probably stabilise and get us in top 4 but there's no way I see him taking us beyond that. ETH on the other hand could be something very special.
 
MUFC OK said:
Aspiring journalist, has gained 1000 of his 2900 followers since that tweet yesterday. Definitely not someone in the know imo.
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Infra-red said:
Somebody pretending to know things that he does not, in the hope of attracting followers on Twitter.

The club are briefing anyone reputable that we've got one round of interviews to go, that we are down to two candidates (Pochettino and Ten Hag) and that there is no front runner. That is the current situation. Nobody has been signed up and no deals have been secretly done. We just have to wait for the process to finish.
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Fair enough.
 
Espanyol (sacking 1)
Following a 0–2 home loss against Getafe CF that left the team in last place with just nine points from 13 matches and with the manager complaining about the financial restrictions being placed upon him,[65] his contract was terminated by mutual consent at the end of that month.

Tottenham (sacking 2)
Pochettino was dismissed by Tottenham Hotspur with the side placed 14th in the Premier League table, with chairman citing "extremely disappointing" domestic results as the reason behind the dismissal. Pochettino was succeeded by Jose

Why are players putting this guy forward?
 
MUFC OK said:
It's about the ceiling of each for me. Poch can probably stabilise and get us in top 4 but there's no way I see him taking us beyond that. ETH on the other hand could be something very special.
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Maybe! I very much take your point and do agree, Poch does tick a number of boxes too, but I'd certainly role the ETH dice too.
glazed said:
It's that kind of attitude (no offence) that has allowed the Glazers to asset strip the club for decades. If it's Poch then it's going to be business as usual. He might even bring in Rooney as assistant. I fear we are being gaslit.



I see it as mainly in one direction. That said it might be orchestrated by the Poch faction and not by the club itself. The next few days will be a huge fork in the road for this club. Get this wrong and we are properly feked.
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It's not like its hiring sideshow bob? Poch is a very experienced and well thought of manager, certainly not a decision to not support the manager at all. He's not who I want but if we get him ill get behind him and certainly be back at the ground next season to show my support.
 
ayushreddevil9 said:
Mourinho took Chelsea to sfs in 2014. LvG took his Netherlands side to sfs. Both were failures at utd.
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Right, and Ten Hag is seen as a messiah due to his one semifinal appearance with Ajax in 2019, where Pochettino kicked his ass to get to the final. Anyways. My point was about Pochettino being deemed a failure at PSG when he's only been there a season and a half and he's already taken them to a CL semi and is winning the league handily in his first full season
 
Berbasbullet said:
Wasn't it a last gasp winner?
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The scoreline didn't tell the story. Ajax blew a 2-0 halftime lead and Spurs blew them out the water in the second half. The possession, goal attempts, attempts on target and corners stats paint you the picture of Spurs's dominance. Ajax couldn't live with Spurs in that second half. Bottle job. Happened this season against Benfica too although Benfica went about it differently
 
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