Next permanent manager | Poll updated

Who should be the next permanent manager?

  • Luis Enrique

    Votes: 113 7.4%

  • Erik ten Hag

    Votes: 1,300 84.7%

  • Julen Lopetegui

    Votes: 10 0.7%

  • Mauricio Pochettino

    Votes: 79 5.1%

  • None of the above

    Votes: 32 2.1%
  • Total voters
    1,534
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pocco said:
You don't know all the details, only what the papers have told you. Fergie was always a good judge of talent and character. Unless you think you and everyone else are football geniuses that never get a call wrong? In which case maybe you should make the decisions at Old Trafford.

In defence of that choice, Moyes is not as bad a manager as that period made him look. He has proven that since and before. He did worse with us than he did with Everton - the writing was on the wall for that group of players already the season before and we had the beginning of what was a Woodward sh*tshow, he sold Moyes down the river that transfer window. One thing about Moyes that always sticks in my mind is when he said we needed 7 or 8 world class players to compete. At the time everybody laughed on here, but how much money and how many 'world class' players have we signed since? And look where we still are. Expectations were unfairly skewed in his first season, I don't think many supporters realised the situation we were in and, surprisingly, are still reluctant to admit it now even after the subsequent 7 or 8 years since Moyes.
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Moyes is not and never was good enough for Man Utd. Everything else you've written seems like guff in defence of an out of depth manager in order to prove your point.

Fergie was a good judge of player when he was a manager but I'm not sure that should extend to rating other managers in the present day.
 
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pocco said:
You don't know all the details, only what the papers have told you. Fergie was always a good judge of talent and character. Unless you think you and everyone else are football geniuses that never get a call wrong? In which case maybe you should make the decisions at Old Trafford.

In defence of that choice, Moyes is not as bad a manager as that period made him look. He has proven that since and before. He did worse with us than he did with Everton - the writing was on the wall for that group of players already the season before and we had the beginning of what was a Woodward sh*tshow, he sold Moyes down the river that transfer window. One thing about Moyes that always sticks in my mind is when he said we needed 7 or 8 world class players to compete. At the time everybody laughed on here, but how much money and how many 'world class' players have we signed since? And look where we still are. Expectations were unfairly skewed in his first season, I don't think many supporters realised the situation we were in and, surprisingly, are still reluctant to admit it now even after the subsequent 7 or 8 years since Moyes.
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That team had just won the league, it needed some work, but 7 or 8 world class players, nah. I mean what teams even have that many world class players at any moment, let alone requiring an additional 7 or 8?

Prior to United Moyes played dire football with Everton and finished between 4th and 8th consistently. Then have came and royally fecked up United, was rightfully sacked, was tossed around Europe and England were he landed at West Ham and now finished around 6th with hopes of getting his top prize of 4th place while playing slightly less dire football than Everton used to play. David Moyes isn't trash, but he has found his level and will never move beyond it.
 
pocco said:
You don't know all the details, only what the papers have told you. Fergie was always a good judge of talent and character. Unless you think you and everyone else are football geniuses that never get a call wrong? In which case maybe you should make the decisions at Old Trafford.

In defence of that choice, Moyes is not as bad a manager as that period made him look. He has proven that since and before. He did worse with us than he did with Everton - the writing was on the wall for that group of players already the season before and we had the beginning of what was a Woodward sh*tshow, he sold Moyes down the river that transfer window. One thing about Moyes that always sticks in my mind is when he said we needed 7 or 8 world class players to compete. At the time everybody laughed on here, but how much money and how many 'world class' players have we signed since? And look where we still are. Expectations were unfairly skewed in his first season, I don't think many supporters realised the situation we were in and, surprisingly, are still reluctant to admit it now even after the subsequent 7 or 8 years since Moyes.
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Good post. I don’t think anyone should forget the shambles of that transfer window. An incredible window may not have saved Moyes from scrutiny or from the sack , but we may not have had the fall from grace so quickly. He’s a good manager, as his time at West Ham has shown.
 
MUFC OK said:
He's literally from the same body of thinking as Cruyff's Barcelona system, plays a possession based 4-3-3 much like pep and has had fantastic results implementing this thus far. I'd say he's as good a bet as any in terms of what we need - still no guarantee.

Given the tools he wants, ETH has the highest chance of actually creating something akin to what Pep/Klopp have done. City would not touch Poch, but would be all over ETH is Pep left tomorrow btw.
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In my opinion City wouldn't risk hiring ETH before he proves himself at a higher level. Enrique is the one they'd be looking at
 
United in sin said:
In my opinion City wouldn't risk hiring ETH before he proves himself at a higher level. Enrique is the one they'd be looking at
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City linked journos were already saying he's on their shortlist a few months ago though when it was rumored Pep might want to take a break within the next 2 seasons.

He would be a perfect fit for that team
 
United in sin said:
In my opinion City wouldn't risk hiring ETH before he proves himself at a higher level. Enrique is the one they'd be looking at
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I agree, think Enrique will be the one they want and could be the one they get as the timing would be right for them… however I think they’d be all over ETH if they needed a manager right now, just like us. They’d of already of offered him a contract and deal for the start of next season.
 
pocco said:
The funny thing is, I expect they know just as much about ETH as most of the posters on here that think he is the only option. These guys also have contacts in football and probably hear more than we know. Yet we all sit here posting like footballing gods saying "this is how Manchester United should play and ETH is the man to carry it out in our vision", or declare that people actually within the game don't know what they're talking about Not only that but I bet most posters that are fanatically pushing ETH have barely seen Ajax play.

Also, if they know Poch then perhaps they know he's genuinely a very good coach or the right man for this job. All of these players have been coached by Alex Ferguson, so I would like to think they know a thing or two about good qualities in a coach.

I'm myself leaning more towards ETH for different reasons, but the way posters on here discount Poch or belittle the opinions of people that probably know a lot more than them is absolutely laughable. Hell, people even downplay the fact that Fergie likes him. Once upon a time every United supporter trusted every decision that man made and now he's painted like a senile has-been by idiots on here.
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Just because they once played football doesn't mean they know about coaching than a few dedicated football fans who happen to also be man utd fans, it's those dedicated fans who have mostly swayed majority of the casual fans, the evidence of football the two managers play probably also help convinced people .

The best coaches are often obsessed football fans who don't necessarily have to play football at a high level to understand the game more than a majority of ex players and more often than not those obsessed football fans don't all work in football.
 
Flexdegea said:
You have been talking some nonsense as well. The whole labelling people Hag like it's a cult is strange and is way more childish than anyone saying Amadeus burner account.



You just refuse to except that people are laying out their reasoning for wanting him instead of Poch. Actually pathetic you keep going on about people haven't seen enough of him or Dutch football, but won't see the ironic part of the same folks have already seen enough of Poch to really come to the conclusion that he is not the man wee need right now.

You have this blank spot where where the last 3ish years of his management and what he has offered in that time, shouldn't be marked against him. It's exactly why a lot of folk have totally changed their mind on him.


If we were going for him back when he was mid way thru his spurs spell, then I think everyone would be all for it, be getting the same sort of vote in the poll Hag is getting at the moment, but a lot has happened and changed since then regarding his performance, were he is at, and where we are at this time. You just refuse to achknowledge it.
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Awesome post. Agreed that the poster is everything that they are saying about those wanting ETH.
 


Mrs. Mane was one of the many media heads advocating Utd to get Poch for reference too.

What is her reliability like anyway? Even though she’s a newbie to SSN which has a spiralled reputation in terms of legit scoops, she might know a thing or two through whispers, because she is Mrs. Mane?
 




Aye fair play to Van der Sar, hope we have a look at him the next time a front office job opens up
 
Chairman Steve said:
Mrs. Mane was one of the many media heads advocating Utd to get Poch for reference too.

What is her reliability like anyway? Even though she’s a newbie to SSN which has a spiralled reputation in terms of legit scoops, she might know a thing or two through whispers, because she is Mrs. Mane?
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Very reliable for Liverpool related news ONLY
 
Surely this stuff wouldn't have been leaked If he wasn't going to be offered the job. Reckon it's only a matter of time
 
Foxbatt said:
Very sensible post. I don't think fans who wants ETH is saying Poch is a bad manager. They are saying that ETH is a different kind of manager who has a distinct style of playing and has built teams without expensive players. Poch has managed PSG and has botched it. He was sacked by Spurs and if he gets sacked by PSG, why should we get him?
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Most managers are sacked at one stage or the other - like Tuchel from PSG - so that in itself should be an issue. People should also examine why a manager was sacked and what work he did for that club previously. Is Poch's good work for Spurs erased just because it ended badly?

As for ETH, that issue is that he didn't build his teams in Ajax alone. It was a team effort, the sort of team I doubt he'll find at United.

I'd happily take either, by the way. Just pointing out that things aren't as simple as they seem.
 
Amir said:
Most managers are sacked at one stage or the other - like Tuchel from PSG - so that in itself should be an issue. People should also examine why a manager was sacked and what work he did for that club previously. Is Poch's good work for Spurs erased just because it ended badly?

As for ETH, that issue is that he didn't build his teams in Ajax alone. It was a team effort, the sort of team I doubt he'll find at United.

I'd happily take either, by the way. Just pointing out that things aren't as simple as they seem.
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Why not? Isn't that exactly why RR was brought in as an interim coach and then as a consultant?
To use his expertise to get that kind of a set up?
 
In the most recent ''Overlap'' discussion on Youtube, Gary Neville revealed United's next manager will inherit the 6th or 7th oldest squad in the Premier League containing 13 players over the age of 30.
 
Chairman Steve said:


Mrs. Mane was one of the many media heads advocating Utd to get Poch for reference too.

What is her reliability like anyway? Even though she’s a newbie to SSN which has a spiralled reputation in terms of legit scoops, she might know a thing or two through whispers, because she is Mrs. Mane?
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Well it close now
 
Xaviesta said:
In the most recent ''Overlap'' discussion on Youtube, Gary Neville revealed United's next manager will inherit the 6th or 7th oldest squad in the Premier League containing 13 players over the age of 30.
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13?
 
Xaviesta said:
In the most recent ''Overlap'' discussion on Youtube, Gary Neville revealed United's next manager will inherit the 6th or 7th oldest squad in the Premier League containing 13 players over the age of 30.
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We have 8 over the age of 30, two of whom are back up goalies and two of whom are out of contract in the summer. That's also not including 29 year old Pogba and Lingard who are both most likely off too. It's the 9th oldest squad in the league. Don't know how he's managed it but Gary Neville has somehow got us confused with fecking Burnley who have the oldest team in the league with 13 players above 30 :lol:
 
Class of 1902 said:
Didn't Reddy get labelled as a bullshitter and only reliable for Liverpool news when she broke a story the other week?
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She is, she's a Liverpool PR machine. Anything Liverpool related she's tier 1. Regarding United news and her articles about us in the past ... well, let's just say I wouldn't trust her if she told me the sky was blue.
 
I thought this Melissa is supposed to be clueless and more a Liverpool sources? Now we believe her?
 
Giggsy13 said:
Good post. I don’t think anyone should forget the shambles of that transfer window. An incredible window may not have saved Moyes from scrutiny or from the sack , but we may not have had the fall from grace so quickly. He’s a good manager, as his time at West Ham has shown.
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Moyes has to share part of the blame for the first transfer window though. He dithered too much. Could've had Thiago the minute he walked through the door but instead he chased after Fabregas who was never going to leave Barca then.
 
Foxbatt said:
Why not? Isn't that exactly why RR was brought in as an interim coach and then as a consultant?
To use his expertise to get that kind of a set up?
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A) I'm not exactly sure what Rangnick's 'consultancy' will include, who is doing what right now and who will do what next season.

B) Even if the set up will be clear and working well, it'll still be in its infancy compared with Ajax's.
 
No Idea For Nickname said:
Bloody hell, now I don't want EtH!!! Ex Liverpool player don't want us to be successful, that is why he wants him! Am I doing it right?
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If one thing I've learned from these past few years, is that Liverpool former players are far more sensible and seem to care more about United than United ex players. Sometimes I'm confused as to who was the United player between Carragher and Neville given the way they talk.
 
Reddy one of the main Liverpool mouthpieces along with James Pearce. She's expanded into reporting on other clubs lately and is now working for Sky.
 
Rolaholic said:
City linked journos were already saying he's on their shortlist a few months ago though when it was rumored Pep might want to take a break within the next 2 seasons.

He would be a perfect fit for that team
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He might be a perfect fit for them indeed, but I think City operate differently when it comes to managerial appointments.


DJ_21 said:
I agree, think Enrique will be the one they want and could be the one they get as the timing would be right for them… however I think they’d be all over ETH if they needed a manager right now, just like us. They’d of already of offered him a contract and deal for the start of next season.
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I agree. I think ETH's apparent willingness to join united could indicate that City haven't made serious overtures towards him as they did previous managers ahead of time, but who knows?

City actually plan ahead and develop relationships with possible future targets. Furthermore, Ten Hag is represented by SEG football, a management group that works with Pep's brother and agent Pierre Guardiola. Hag is of course a student of Pep's style and has admired him since working as coach of Bayern Munich II while Pep managed there.

These are deep connections, but again Hag's willingness to join united could paint another story. If City are seriously sounding him out for the future there's no way he'd be joining united in my opinion.

ayushreddevil9 said:
Awesome post. Agreed that the poster is everything that they are saying about those wanting ETH.
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If you read my post history here you'll see that Ive actually repeatedly stated that I enjoy Hag's football and that I'd welcome him at united. That makes me nothing like the extreme Hag enthusiasts. You've merely helped prove my point about several posters going to extremes and lacking nuance
 
Sviken said:
If one thing I've learned from these past few years, is that Liverpool former players are far more sensible and seem to care more about United than United ex players. Sometimes I'm confused as to who was the United player between Carragher and Neville given the way they talk.
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To be fair, Carragher even when playing was deemed by many a "closet United fan". I would rather listen to his opinion than someone's like Scholes, Rio or Neville.
 


I’m wondering if they are going to hurry it up a little because it seems like anyone we target are asking about the new manager
 
Sviken said:
If one thing I've learned from these past few years, is that Liverpool former players are far more sensible and seem to care more about United than United ex players. Sometimes I'm confused as to who was the United player between Carragher and Neville given the way they talk.
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Some of you lot are losing the plot. :lol:
 
Caesar2290 said:
To be fair, Carragher even when playing was deemed by many a "closet United fan". I would rather listen to his opinion than someone's like Scholes, Rio or Neville.
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I've always seen him as somebody that respects United's history. Make no mistake he hates us but I do think he appreciates how great we were under SAF.
 
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