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that's not the meaning I know, I must be out of touch
They used to make a fun of Spurs as Spursy like they are irrelevant. They wouldn’t be invited to super league in the first place without Poch turned them into something relevant. This is probably why lot of ex players and Sir Alex rate him how with limited budget, they still managed to constantly finish top 4 and reached UCL final. Although, I think Poch is a good manager but I like ETH’s Ajax football more than Poch’s Spurs football. As a United fan, of course I want my team to play like Ajax’s football rather than Spurs under Poch.
Top reds are the ones that see themselves above everyone else and take pride in the fact that they'd gladly endure a lifetime of watching Ole serving up dross in the Championship just because it makes them seem loyal.
They are Glazer apologists lowering the standards of the club and want Poch more than anything because SAF and ex-players want him. Disgusting bunch really.
Let's face it, at some point Pochettino will be Manchester United manager. We all know it's happening.
Whether it's for next season, or to replace the next manager when he's sacked, at some point the board will act on their obsession with him.
We may as well just get it over with so we can move on already.
Whether it's for next season, or to replace the next manager when he's sacked, at some point the board will act on their obsession with him.
We may as well just get it over with so we can move on already.
Dude, you're telling me hundreds of posters here watch Dutch league football regularly? Most posters here cry for 'rivers' just to watch united games. I've asked many posters here how often they watch Ajax.
From what I see it's mostly the few Ajax supporters that do and you can easily tell, it's not that hard. I'm certain Hag is the popular choice simply because the likes of Goldbridge scream his praises daily and he has an air of mystique about him. I've said nothing on here that is far from the truth when it comes to both candidates and I'm not even against the idea of Hag being handed the reigns
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Poch would be a better hire than any of the other Post Fergie appointments, although in some cases the bar is quite low. I think though PSG exposes some real questions about his ceiling, though to be fair the same may be true of TH. Overall though we need a clear strategy and football approach at all levels of the club, it seems we will get that more clearly with TH and he would be happy to work well with such a requirement. Frankly at this stage I wouldnt really care what the players want, half of them need to be shipped out in any case.
No, we don't. If there was this obsession that people keep going on about, they would not be interviewing other managers
I haven't uniformly labeled Ten Hag supporters as such, just the extreme ones (and they're plenty) who continually display a lack of basic knowledge on the man other than his attacking style and willingness to give youth a chance. Anyone not siding with Hag doesn't know or want what's best for the club, full stop. It's pathetic and I have an opinion
I want ten Hag for his potential to implement a play-style that I like as a football fan. But I don't agree that Pochettino is a puppet/yes man like some fans are claiming him to be. And Pochettino's demands at Spurs where he first took control of the football side of the club and changed their structure from a DoF one to a manager one is evidence of that. He also voiced his displeasure publically about not being backed in the transfer window. So he definitely wasn't a yes man and Levy went to great lengths to appease him. Which included getting rid of Franco Baldini.
Ajax failed to get ten Hag several transfer targets through the door and he was also utilising a 37 year old keeper. But he just got on with it. That doesn't mean he's a yes man either, but his approach suits us better imo because he understands his role as the head coach and not manager.
Ajax failed to get ten Hag several transfer targets through the door and he was also utilising a 37 year old keeper. But he just got on with it. That doesn't mean he's a yes man either, but his approach suits us better imo because he understands his role as the head coach and not manager.
Tempted to put £50 on Poch to soften the blow if it happens tbh.
Enjoy spending the 1p winnings for each day he's in charge.
I can’t shake the feeling it’s going to be Pochettino. Yet again hiring a manager 3-4 years too late, really hope we don’t fall into the same trap again.
This is a take of how to favour a manager without needing to shit on other candidates.
We all have preferences on who we would like as the manager, that does not mean the other candidates are bad.
The way people are going on about Poch is like he is the worst manager. Ten Hag plays a certain style and if that is the reason, its fair because really saying words like puppet and what not, no one knows what happens behind closed doors.
Fergie's track record on recommending Moyes is likely why nobody pays any heed to his opinion on who the next manager should be.
It shouldn't really be a surprise to you.
I want ten Hag as much as anyone but we should try and be fair in our assessments on both candidates. I think the discussion is going from one extreme to another right now with people even accusing posters of being Glazer apologists. It's very petty/childish.
Very few people suggest that Pochettino is a bad manager, the opposite of overvaluing his achievement is a lot more prevalent. For me Pochettino would be a good candidate if we initially see his future tenure as transitional, if we see him as the missing piece and a long term successful manager then I'm skeptical.
As for ten Hag I see him as a bet worth taking, in the same way I thought Sarri, Tuchel or even pochettino 5 years ago were bet worth taking.
Good post
Which way is the wind sailing, are we losing Erik?
Nope, he is ours.
The club are just conducting sentiment analysis over this hire.
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I'd bet good money that these ex-players are getting some nice bonuses from the glazers for pumping up Poch as the next manager because they know that 90% of the fans don't want him and they are picking him anyway.
From one Dutchman discouraging Ten Hag to another propping him up for the job
ETH has a 73.91% win rate with Ajax.
I'd say he has a playing style and his players buy into that style.
| Played: 207 | Win: 153 | Draw: 26 | Loss: 28 | GF: 570 | GA: 174 | GD: +396 |
I'd say he has a playing style and his players buy into that style.
Am I the only one who sees LVG's comments as a big positive in this soap opera?
* Puts Ten Hag on a pedestal
* Tells United to hurry up because Ten Hag has better options
* Puts pressure on the United board to prove club has changed
Oh, I'm delighted he said what he had to say.
If anything it hopefully convinces the club they need to at least pretend to act like a football club for once.
Very sensible post. I don't think fans who wants ETH is saying Poch is a bad manager. They are saying that ETH is a different kind of manager who has a distinct style of playing and has built teams without expensive players. Poch has managed PSG and has botched it. He was sacked by Spurs and if he gets sacked by PSG, why should we get him?
Since all his supporters are saying that he should be hired because he has PL experience then they have to bear in mind that he doesn't need to get used to the PL and has to hit the ground running. He is not going to get that grace period ETH or Luis Enrique is going to get.
I know the excuses people like Neville are going to say if Poch fails. The Glazers didn't support him. Mark my words.
World's greatest ever defensive striker has spoken!
As in we have had so many failed managers over the years, I cannot see how ETH is in some peoples eyes as a guaranteed success.
I want us to take a risk with Ten Hag, as I feel he might be the only available manager that will have a philosophy and stick to it. We have seen with Poch, when things get tough, he wont stick to his philosophy. E.G PSG where because of the dressing room, he cannot play his style.
However; if we get Ten Hag and want to play pressing football, there will be games where we lose 3/4 nil, we have to accept that. Its a risky game, if a team comes and beats the press, we will lose.
Who sees ten Hag as a guaranteed success? I honestly haven't seen it.
This is where i'm currently standing at as well. To me it boils down to this, both Teh Hag and Poch might do bad, not win a trophy and get sacked. They both could be mediocre here, they both could also do a good job. But to me Ten Hag could potentially be outstanding whereas i don't think Poch can.
Bloody hell, now I don't want EtH!!! Ex Liverpool player don't want us to be successful, that is why he wants him! Am I doing it right?
Yeah, for the most part people are looking at him as an exciting risk with a potentially high ceiling. I don't think anyone believes appointing ten Hag is going to guarantee us titles.
He's literally from the same body of thinking as Cruyff's Barcelona system, plays a possession based 4-3-3 much like pep and has had fantastic results implementing this thus far. I'd say he's as good a bet as any in terms of what we need - still no guarantee.
Given the tools he wants, ETH has the highest chance of actually creating something akin to what Pep/Klopp have done. City would not touch Poch, but would be all over ETH is Pep left tomorrow btw.
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You don't know all the details, only what the papers have told you. Fergie was always a good judge of talent and character. Unless you think you and everyone else are football geniuses that never get a call wrong? In which case maybe you should make the decisions at Old Trafford.
In defence of that choice, Moyes is not as bad a manager as that period made him look. He has proven that since and before. He did worse with us than he did with Everton - the writing was on the wall for that group of players already the season before and we had the beginning of what was a Woodward sh*tshow, he sold Moyes down the river that transfer window. One thing about Moyes that always sticks in my mind is when he said we needed 7 or 8 world class players to compete. At the time everybody laughed on here, but how much money and how many 'world class' players have we signed since? And look where we still are. Expectations were unfairly skewed in his first season, I don't think many supporters realised the situation we were in and, surprisingly, are still reluctant to admit it now even after the subsequent 7 or 8 years since Moyes.
Dirk Kuyt, Carragher have both been pro-ETH.
Remember fans were angry at Ole for saying trophies are an ego thing?
https://www.skysports.com/football/...o-and-tottenham-always-want-to-be-in-top-four
Sign him up.
If ten hag comes and kicks out half the first team after the first practice session then he deserves a statue for that only.
I was thinking about which managers any one of Man City/Liverpool/Madrid/Chelsea/Bayern would go for if their manager quit today.
Would Pochettino and 10 Hag would be the two favourites for them as well?
I feel like they would be, but tell me why I am wrong.
Would Pochettino and 10 Hag would be the two favourites for them as well?
I feel like they would be, but tell me why I am wrong.
I feel like Bayern or City would go for Ten Hag, Chelsea possibly too. Madrid would go for Poch. Not sure who Liverpool would go for. Perhaps they'd consider someone like Rose?
Why would any of the top teams downgrade to a bottler who's been sacked twice in a row? I agree with all the fan channels and sensible pundits(like Carragher) who say both Liverpool and City would be looking at ETH but never Poch.
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