For me what is more important is what we see with Rangnick and Richard Arnold. There needs to be a shift in the way the club operates... if that doesn't happen in the correct way, most managers will not succeed here.
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It looks like it has come down to the two people that everyone always knew it would come down to.
I don't think the choice is as straightforward as some are saying. Pochettino brings Premier League experience and a more pragmatic style that is arguably a better fit with the qualities of the current squad. I feel that the ceiling is higher with Ten Hag and that if we persist and back him properly in the market, we'll reap the rewards in a couple of years time, but it's also a distinct possibility that the first 18 months or so would go better with Pochettino in charge.
It's decent results in the short term (but a lack of long-term playing style) vs short-term difficulties with the promise of dominant total-football in the long term. My preference would be the latter option, but if we do end up with Ten Hag, the club (and the fans) will need to be patient during what will likely be a painful transition and squad rebuild.
I don't think the choice is as straightforward as some are saying. Pochettino brings Premier League experience and a more pragmatic style that is arguably a better fit with the qualities of the current squad. I feel that the ceiling is higher with Ten Hag and that if we persist and back him properly in the market, we'll reap the rewards in a couple of years time, but it's also a distinct possibility that the first 18 months or so would go better with Pochettino in charge.
It's decent results in the short term (but a lack of long-term playing style) vs short-term difficulties with the promise of dominant total-football in the long term. My preference would be the latter option, but if we do end up with Ten Hag, the club (and the fans) will need to be patient during what will likely be a painful transition and squad rebuild.
The only thing that works well with Poch's PL experience with our club is his amazing ability to fail time and again at the final step (if not before). That certainly aligns with the current state of our club.
The PL experience card has to be one of the dumbest and most irrelevant 'advantages' a person in football can have and doubly so for a manager.
The PL experience card has to be one of the dumbest and most irrelevant 'advantages' a person in football can have and doubly so for a manager.
Ajax chief basically saying he will be going regardless
Wow they came 2nd but where never in the race. As I say can't work out if you being serious here, starting to think you are Amadeus burner account
You are clinging to absolute pointless stuff in grand scheme of things and packaging it up as achievements.
You are disregarding any sort of doubts about Poch time at spurs and PSG, and making out he been absolutely stellar this whole time, with no doubts about him.
From what I'm saying people want to run with the fresher option in Hag, but listening to you, you would think he been the manager who maybe about to get sacked from 3rd club out of 4. You have a inability to see any sort of flaws with Poch, where as most people understand Hag is a gamble as well, and is areas of him which are unknown with a club our size.
the whole disregarding trophies reeks of small time as well, and to be honest makes sense you are gung ho for Poch as he thinks they aren't important either.
Stopped reading after that repeated Amadeus nonsense.
Im also intrigued by Ten Hag and I enjoy his style of football. Poch just happens to be my first choice and I believe Hag would be a huge risk. I've said this repeatedly.
What I take issue with is the repeated revisionism of Pochs time at Spurs and the blatant lack of knowledge over his and even Ten Hag's managerial styles by those who exhibit a distinct lack of nuance when discussing the merits and otherwise of both coaches.
Poch is disrespected and continually misrepresented here by Hag fans who don't even watch Ajax weekly and who overplay the roles he's performed in the Netherlands. I'm here to dispell and challenge all the nonsense being spouted by the blind. I'm not shooting posters down simply for having a preference for Ten Hag. Many of the Hag followers don't even want the full process of interviews to be carried out, it's Hag or nothing for them
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It's going to be Ten Hag or Poch and I'd put my money on Poch due to the boards long term admiration of him. I'd pick Ten Hag because his tactical approach interests me more than Poch. I like the way Ajax press, their passing game and their transitions to attack. I think with the right players and time Ten Hag could turn us into a very good side.
The pragmatism from Poch in the big games is a worry for me. Many times when Spurs faced better sides he used almost the same tactics as Jose, I don't want to see that again.
The pragmatism from Poch in the big games is a worry for me. Many times when Spurs faced better sides he used almost the same tactics as Jose, I don't want to see that again.
Yeah I think if you polled the majority of the CAF members who voted for Ten Hag quite a large percentage also would have taken Poch in 2018, me included
You get the impression that Fergie is constantly in the ears of his disciples like Rio, Neville, Hughes, Butt & Teddy telling them to talk up appointing him in the media.
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Ooooh, he is horrible, do not want!
Impressing greatly at KV Mechelen soon after his transfer from Salitas in Burkina Faso, Hassane Bandé quickly caught the eye of Ajax Amsterdam, who spent around €8m on his services in 2018.
What happened afterwards wasn’t exactly what was planned, as the forward never made an appearance for the Eredivisie side’s first-team, getting loaned out to FC Thun in Switzerland and NK Istra in Croatia instead.
A lot came down to Erik ten Hag, linked with the Manchester United role, as the manager never seemed to believe in the now 23-year-old, who spoke about his treatment to De Gazet van Antwerpen on Tuesday, relayed by SoccerNews in Holland.
He said: “After my serious injury, I hoped to get back to playing as soon as possible, but after one half in a practice match, ten Hag threw me out of the dressing room and sent me to the reserves.”
Bandé then went on to explain how this affected him personally: “Mentally, I was left to my own devices. I tried to talk about my situation, but got no answer. According to Marc Overmars, it was the manager’s choice that I had to accept. It’s difficult to accept a situation when you never got a real chance. Carel Eiting, who, like me, just came back from a serious injury, was allowed to stay with the first-team.”
To get to the bottom of this, it seems there would be a need to speak to the favourite for the Manchester United job directly, but Bandé did open up some more about his thoughts.
He said: “Then you start to ask yourself whether there might be something more involved. Racism? I never experience it openly, but I did think about it, yes. I just never got an honest answer to the question of why I didn’t get any more opportunities.”
What happened afterwards wasn’t exactly what was planned, as the forward never made an appearance for the Eredivisie side’s first-team, getting loaned out to FC Thun in Switzerland and NK Istra in Croatia instead.
A lot came down to Erik ten Hag, linked with the Manchester United role, as the manager never seemed to believe in the now 23-year-old, who spoke about his treatment to De Gazet van Antwerpen on Tuesday, relayed by SoccerNews in Holland.
He said: “After my serious injury, I hoped to get back to playing as soon as possible, but after one half in a practice match, ten Hag threw me out of the dressing room and sent me to the reserves.”
Bandé then went on to explain how this affected him personally: “Mentally, I was left to my own devices. I tried to talk about my situation, but got no answer. According to Marc Overmars, it was the manager’s choice that I had to accept. It’s difficult to accept a situation when you never got a real chance. Carel Eiting, who, like me, just came back from a serious injury, was allowed to stay with the first-team.”
To get to the bottom of this, it seems there would be a need to speak to the favourite for the Manchester United job directly, but Bandé did open up some more about his thoughts.
He said: “Then you start to ask yourself whether there might be something more involved. Racism? I never experience it openly, but I did think about it, yes. I just never got an honest answer to the question of why I didn’t get any more opportunities.”
Our reserve team will be getting more experience if he comes then.
Yeh I actually don't agree with your second paragraph at all, I actually think that most of the people in this thread who want Ten Hag and are against Poch have made some really great arguments and points about why, and I find people like yourself giving more and more childish responses, like the one I quoted, when they're called out on their crap.
And how do you know these posters don't watch Ajax regularly? Did they tell you that? And I don't think your dispelling anything, and I think it's you that's blind when it comes to the so called nonsense being spouted.
This is what I want, hence why I'm in favor of ETH. We won't get that with Poch. His spurs sides were only entertaining for a season, and everything else after that is typical of what United have had. No thanks.
ETH will get us playing football that will make me want to tune into United.
I'm starting to think United in sin and Amadaeus are somehow related to Poch. At this point their love for Poch is getting a little out of hand.
You are not the only one. Another thing they have in common is that they share a "soft spot" for Ten Hag.
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Pochs is the man according to our former players
If it were up to them, Ole would still be in charge.
Also as Teddy has shown, most of them have no idea who Ten Hag is. Absolutely insane if you ask me. How can you be a footballing pro and not know your managers.
its why I don't want any of them anywhere near taking football decisions at our club.
I wonder what the general feeling the fans will have towards the club/board if we end up with Poch.
Honestly I will feel sick and detached from the club.
Honestly I will feel sick and detached from the club.
Personally for me, this will be the moment that we as a club have adopted a new reality. A reality where our team is not even pretending anymore to challenge for the title or any trop trophies, but instead be content with Top4.
All that effort Sir Alex put into United to turn us into a global behemoth will be for naught. Very very sad times.
The drama in here is hilarious
If we'll appoint Poch and get beaten regularly in big games it will be fun.
So that makes me even more convinced that we should do exactly the opposite.
You have been talking some nonsense as well. The whole labelling people Hag like it's a cult is strange and is way more childish than anyone saying Amadeus burner account.
You just refuse to except that people are laying out their reasoning for wanting him instead of Poch. Actually pathetic you keep going on about people haven't seen enough of him or Dutch football, but won't see the ironic part of the same folks have already seen enough of Poch to really come to the conclusion that he is not the man wee need right now.
You have this blank spot where where the last 3ish years of his management and what he has offered in that time, shouldn't be marked against him. It's exactly why a lot of folk have totally changed their mind on him.
If we were going for him back when he was mid way thru his spurs spell, then I think everyone would be all for it, be getting the same sort of vote in the poll Hag is getting at the moment, but a lot has happened and changed since then regarding his performance, were he is at, and where we are at this time. You just refuse to achknowledge it.
Same
Great post, couldn’t agree more.
Exactly
Poch odds have shortened from 5/1 to 5/2 since yesterday
Makes sense. There’s a huge push from ex players so people have put bets on.
Doesn’t take much to shift those odds and it’s a good price if we do think it’s a two horse race
Is the tide turning? Did United's legends coming out and supporting Pochettino sway the board? Maybe Pochettino impressed them more in interview. Has Ferguson pleaded with the Glazers? This one could go right down to the wire and I dont see there been an answer anytime soon. Certainly not feeling as confident as I did this time last week that's for sure.
It’s a lot closer than what bookies say I think
I never look at bookies odds. They mean nothing and will change at the drop of a hat. I like a flutter on the football but those manager odds are always precarious.
I look at them as they overall assess what all the leaks, media outlets say for you.
That's the thing they only follow the noise.
I remember a few of my mates heard Trappatoni was going to be manager for Ireland and got him at a big price. Maybe if you see an outsider like that shorten its significant but generally I dont think it's market to place any real trust in.
There is a vendetta going on right now. One by one the way all these ex players are vouching for Pochettino tells me they are doing it intentionally to put the pressure on the board to hire him. I would understand their reasoning if it was an objective one. But given the way they are talking about poch and discarding ten hag completely is perplexing to say the least. They ain’t even comparing the two, it’s poch and only poch.
The worst part is if we hire Pochettino and it isn’t working out you know they would make every excuses for him under the sun without realising their mistake in the first place or even acknowledging that poch might not be man. They would back him to the hilt and keep on repeating the job he did at spurs the whole time. Forget about the players they can be moved on but as long as these lot , these ex players keep on interfering like this no manager no DOF can succeed here. They have too much voice too little knowledge and too big of a fanbase to keep falling for their ill judged ill informed ill fated opinions.
The worst part is if we hire Pochettino and it isn’t working out you know they would make every excuses for him under the sun without realising their mistake in the first place or even acknowledging that poch might not be man. They would back him to the hilt and keep on repeating the job he did at spurs the whole time. Forget about the players they can be moved on but as long as these lot , these ex players keep on interfering like this no manager no DOF can succeed here. They have too much voice too little knowledge and too big of a fanbase to keep falling for their ill judged ill informed ill fated opinions.
Remember fans were angry at Ole for saying trophies are an ego thing?
https://www.skysports.com/football/...o-and-tottenham-always-want-to-be-in-top-four
https://www.skysports.com/football/...o-and-tottenham-always-want-to-be-in-top-four
So was Ole according to them. Their opinion means feck all when appointing the new manager.
That's a Manchester United manager right there.Remember fans were angry at Ole for saying trophies are an ego thing?
https://www.skysports.com/football/...o-and-tottenham-always-want-to-be-in-top-four
I don't see how our board, however tone-deaf and out of touch with reality, can make a decision with ex-players against 90% of the fanbase.
They must know that Old Trafford will be calling for his head at any given opportunity, undermining their long-term choice and putting more pressure on the Glazers.
They must know that Old Trafford will be calling for his head at any given opportunity, undermining their long-term choice and putting more pressure on the Glazers.
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