Next permanent manager | Poll updated

[Kaos]

Well Enrique has already said that he's not leaving the Spain NT job before the World Cup. So unless the club plan on having another season where for a bulk of it we don't have a permanent manager then I don't see how this happens.

Is he even remotely interested in the job? And considering the silly obsession with Ten Hag's level of English - can Enrique even speak English?

He's clearly a very good coach but the appointment makes zero sense.

 

[DSG]

Sarri ? Allegri ? Carlo ? What the hell ? How long have you been out of football ?

Add in Luis Enrique and Zidane as well. Carlo Ancelotti will go down as one of the greatest managers of all time. He’s won 3 CLs, titles in the top 4 leagues and is going to win another La Liga title this year.

Ten Hag still has a lot to prove. He’s never won a European trophy and never won a trophy in a top 5 league… I think there is a lot of people who assume he’s going to be incredible for us, and he may be. But he hasn’t done it yet, while all of the others on the list have.

 

[DSG]

Pep
Klopp
Nangelsman
Conte
Simeone
Tuchel
Flick
Hag
Enrique
Gaultier
Mancini

So yes he is.

Zidane? Ancelotti? You wouldn’t have those two over Ten Hag? Allegri?

 

[el3mel]

Add in Luis Enrique and Zidane as well. Carlo Ancelotti will go down as one of the greatest managers of all time. He’s won 3 CLs, titles in the top 4 leagues and is going to win another La Liga title this year.

Ten Hag still has a lot to prove. He’s never won a European trophy and never won a trophy in a top 5 league… I think there is a lot of people who assume he’s going to be incredible for us, and he may be. But he hasn’t done it yet, while all of the others on the list have.

Doesn't seem like you understand the difference between top 10 managers "now" and top 10 managers "in history".

And even if we go by your logic, you're including Sarri who won 2 trophies in 32 years career.

Sorry mate, your list is bollocks under all circumstances, and your logic isn't even consistent.

 

[Chesterlestreet]

I find it hard to believe that the "suits" want Poch (whereas the "football people" want ETH).

Why would that be? Because the same "suits" are convinced that Poch guarantees top four finishes? And don't care about anything beyond this?

Who are these "suits" anyway? Arnold? He isn't really a "suit" as much as the top man now that Woodward is gone. If he doesn't want ETH, he can presumably just bin the idea - it's not a democracy after all, is it?

The "chief financial officer"? One or more of the "independent" directors? Any of the "other" Glazer siblings? Those people are indeed "suits" - but as far as we know they've had nothing to do with hiring managers in the past.

And who are the "football people"? Murtough and Fletcher, presumably (Rangnick hasn't been involved, being a candidate for the job himself - which is an odd situation in itself, given his consultancy role, but whatever).

So, Murtough and Fletcher want ETH - being "football people". But "suits" like *googles his name, because who the feck can remember* Cliff Baty would rather have Poch...and there we are.

I dunno, but this sounds just a little bit too silly even for United.

 

[DSG]

Might as well add Mourinho if you're taking the trophy route.

Left him off as he seems to have become insane.

 

[DSG]

Doesn't seem like you understand the difference between top 10 managers "now" and top 10 managers "in history".

And even if we go by your logic, you're including Sarri who won 2 trophies in 32 years career.

Sorry mate, your list is bollocks under all circumstances, and your logic isn't even consistent.

I’d prefer to have Ancelotti over Ten Hag. Now, today. Klopp, Pep, Tuchel, Nagelsmann, Zidane, Enrique, Flick, Conte, Simeone, Allegri… that’s 11. We are assuming all are available. My point is, you start going down the list, and there are quite a few better than Ten Hag. Even if you don’t rate Allegri for example, he’s still more proven.

 

[Cassidy]

I’d prefer to have Ancelotti over Ten Hag. Now, today. Klopp, Pep, Tuchel, Nagelsmann, Zidane, Enrique, Flick, Conte, Simeone, Allegri… that’s 11. We are assuming all are available. My point is, you start going down the list, and there are quite a few better than Ten Hag. Even if you don’t rate Allegri for example, he’s still more proven.

When you filters one suitable to United (intended playing style etc) the list is shorter.
Then availability even shorter

 

[Andy_Cole]

Zidane? Ancelotti? You wouldn’t have those two over Ten Hag? Allegri?

I forgot Zidane and Ancelotti. Yes would have them over Gaultier and Mancini. Hag makes the 10 still. Allegri wouldn’t make it.

 

[el3mel]

I’d prefer to have Ancelotti over Ten Hag. Now, today. Klopp, Pep, Tuchel, Nagelsmann, Zidane, Enrique, Flick, Conte, Simeone, Allegri… that’s 11. We are assuming all are available. My point is, you start going down the list, and there are quite a few better than Ten Hag. Even if you don’t rate Allegri for example, he’s still more proven.

You really don't understand the difference between "now" and "of all time". Come back again when you do.

 

[DSG]

You really don't understand the difference between "now" and "of all time". Come back again when you do.

Actually, I don’t think you do. I just gave you a list of, in my opinion, better managers than ETH now. If you have a different opinion, that’s fine, but I think all of those managers are better than ETH right now. Sorry for the difference in opinion, mate, but ETH doesn’t make my top 10.

 

[USREDEVIL]

Both Enrique and Poch will be available next year if we have to go that route. ETH could well be gone for a long time very shortly. Doubt he'll be the victim of any sack anytime soon. So i'm not against interviewing Poch and Enrique but considering ETH apparently impressed the board they really ought to get this done.

 

[DSG]

I forgot Zidane and Ancelotti. Yes would have them over Gaultier and Mancini. Hag makes the 10 still. Allegri wouldn’t make it.

That’s fair. What Gaultier did with Lille was really impressive. I think rating Ten Hag is the most difficult as we really don’t know how good the Dutch league is right now, and the loss to Benfica in the CL certainly didn’t help his case. If he gets the United job, he’ll be competing against Klopp, Pep, Conte, Tuchel, even Arteta. It’s a vastly different type of problem than game planning vs. FC Twente….

I wouldn’t be surprised to see Juventus come in 3rd or 2nd, and given that Allegri lost Chiesa and McKennie for the season, and this squad has less talent than any other Juve team, I would say that’s quite an accomplishment. Morata and Moise Kean are his striker ffs…

 

[L1nk]

 

[pratyush_utd]

SAF is being dragged in this news just for the clicks

 

[Rolaholic]

 

[lsd]

Multiple reports for many many years on the love of the board and Sir Alex for Pochettino and their efforts to get him previously

Multiple reports from credible sources including Laurie Whitwell, Fabrizio Romano and David Ornstein on us interviewing Ten Hag and 2 others but waiting and waiting with nothing even remotely imminent

The CAF - "People love to make stuff up and get angry about it"

Using Romano as as a credible source means you are not credible

 

[copen1945]

I have made my peace that it will be the Poch.

 

[MUFC OK]

For those interested in odds, Sky bet have Ten Hag at 4/11 and Poch at 11/2.

However, max stake on Poch is £45, max stake on Ten Hag is £627. That’s telling.

Poch down to 4/1 since 6pm, get your bets on lads. Glad I took it at 6/1 yesterday.

ETH could behave been sorted for a week now, this delaying speaks volumes. Poch will be our new manager.

 

[L1nk]

Using Romano as as a credible source means you are not credible

No you are just ignoring the fact he actually gets stuff right. He didn’t get to his position purely based on rehashing everything, that wouldn’t be possible

 

[P-Nut]

Poch down to 4/1 since 6pm, get your bets on lads. Glad I took it at 6/1 yesterday.

ETH could behave been sorted for a week now, this delaying speaks volumes. Poch will be our new manager.

If I put 50 quid on Poch now he'll drop again. Manager betting markets are extremely volatile for even small amounts of betting.

 

[Flexdegea]

Poch down to 4/1 since 6pm, get your bets on lads. Glad I took it at 6/1 yesterday.

ETH could behave been sorted for a week now, this delaying speaks volumes. Poch will be our new manager.

So basically your sorts reacting to tweets have drove the price down,

Wouldn't be surprised if the journos on the betting companies pay sheet

 

[MUFC OK]

If I put 50 quid on Poch now he'll drop again. Manager betting markets are extremely volatile for even small amounts of betting.

Won’t let you put that much on him. You can bet hundreds on ETH.

 

[United in sin]

I tried being resonable with you, but you spout the typical drivel. At this point I'm sure you are Amadeus' alt account.

Why bring up the French league if you say say the Dutch is a mikey mouse cup?

And ETH lost from a winning position in a freak match only once. It happens to everyone including Ancelotti, SAF, etc The fact that Poch had 38 matches to win something only to finish below Arsenal.

Remind me what was Poch's European record prior to joining PSG? Out of the group stages. Lost to Juve at home after bringing the advantage from the away leg. You like to say ETH bottled the tie, yet you don't like to admit that Poch has lost from a winning position in Europe multiple times.

Also how did he do in Europa League when he was knocked out from the CL? Ole at least got to the final with a similar squad.

You also dodged my question: if we were to translate Poch's achievements to United, would he be classed as a success here?

I didn't dodge shit, I addressed it upfront. Should I say it again so you can fully grasp it? Would you bet against Poch winning the Ligue 1 title this season considering where PSG stand on the table at this juncture? Yes or no? If he does win it as expected then the answer to your question is yes, and it's definitely going to happen so why come back after it's done and change my answer or ask you if your thoughts have changed based on the parameters of your line of questioning (transferring Pochs achievements, hope we're together)? My answer now is an emphatic yes. If PSG epically implodes in these final rounds the answer will be no. Very slim chance with that gap at the top and games left

Poch may have gone out in earlier rounds of the Europa league multiple times but the one thing that matters the most is the fact he beat your lord and savior ETH in the biggest game of his career, at home. Poch made a European final, ETH did not.

I'm cool with all candidates bar Lopetegui. Poch just happens to be my first choice. I'm not blindly fowling ETH like yourself and a multitude of others here. Let's just leave it at that, your posts are becoming very inane. May the best candidate land the job

 

[Blood Mage]

Won’t let you put that much on him. You can bet hundreds on ETH.

What's the significance of that? (if any)

 

[sewey89]

What's the significance of that? (if any)

Absolutely none

The betting (for the two ‘likely’ candidates) is capped at your winnings (without stake) being £250.

So you can bet a maximum of £687.50 on Tag Hag at 4/11 which returns £937.50 (your stake + £250).

Your max bet on Poch at 4/1 is £62.50 which returns £312.50 (your stake + £250)

The rest of the market is capped at a £20 stake. So you can make £1320 on Steve Bruce at 66/1 if you fancy it

 

[Real Name]

Yeah, his experience certainly stacks up

Yeah yeah but he was great, ended up 3rd once in a 2 horse race.

 

[Dr. Dwayne]

I find it hard to believe that the "suits" want Poch (whereas the "football people" want ETH).

Why would that be? Because the same "suits" are convinced that Poch guarantees top four finishes? And don't care about anything beyond this?

Who are these "suits" anyway? Arnold? He isn't really a "suit" as much as the top man now that Woodward is gone. If he doesn't want ETH, he can presumably just bin the idea - it's not a democracy after all, is it?

The "chief financial officer"? One or more of the "independent" directors? Any of the "other" Glazer siblings? Those people are indeed "suits" - but as far as we know they've had nothing to do with hiring managers in the past.

And who are the "football people"? Murtough and Fletcher, presumably (Rangnick hasn't been involved, being a candidate for the job himself - which is an odd situation in itself, given his consultancy role, but whatever).

So, Murtough and Fletcher want ETH - being "football people". But "suits" like *googles his name, because who the feck can remember* Cliff Baty would rather have Poch...and there we are.

I dunno, but this sounds just a little bit too silly even for United.

For me suits = board and football people = Murtough et al.

 

[Real Name]

Are we still on - if the board is dragging this it means they're waiting Poch stuff?

 

[Elcabron]

Both Enrique and Poch will be available next year if we have to go that route. ETH could well be gone for a long time very shortly. Doubt he'll be the victim of any sack anytime soon. So i'm not against interviewing Poch and Enrique but considering ETH apparently impressed the board they really ought to get this done.

Enrique has a contract with Spain until 2024 as far as I know so people shouldn't assume he is walking away from them after the WC.

Some of the above posts are very against waiting for Enrique, don't necessarily agree with that as waiting for the right man is better than appointing the wrong one now. Enrique over Ten Haag for me. Ten Haag very unproven at highest level, he has a huge air of flavour of the month about him.

 

[USREDEVIL]

Alex Ferguson's cat is leaning towards Enrique

 

[Andy_Cole]

I don’t think us taking this long means we’re not getting Hag. We take long to do anything. My money is on Hag personally and this length of time before confirmation is pretty normal at united. However there is a chance for a twist of course. Nothing is guaranteed in football.

 

[Ralph1386]

I don’t think us taking this long means we’re not getting Hag. We take long to do anything. My money is on Hag personally and this length of time before confirmation is pretty normal at united. However there is a chance for a twist of course. Nothing is guaranteed in football.

Maybe they are “preparing” the contract just like they “prepare” bids for transfers

 

[pratyush_utd]

ETH is in middle of a tight title race. I would be surprised if we announce anything before the season is over.

 

[Flexdegea]

ETH is in middle of a tight title race. I would be surprised if announce anything before the season is over.

This has been pointed out for a week now and still people chose to ignore it so they can keep on panicking and moaning.

 

[Rolaholic]

 

[Foxbatt]

If Poch gets hired and we feck up again then what? With ETH you know that he is not going to sign players left and right and try to win the PL next season because we won't. With Poch we are going to go in the same direction as Ole. If we want to build the club again then it must be ETH. With Poch we are going to dilly dally with the 4th spot. Kane was a once in a generation player for Spurs and we do not have such a player coming thru the ranks.

 

[sullydnl]

The reports were that we'd do a thorough assessment with multiple interviews. I don't know why people are then trying to read anything into things "dragging on" after one interview when we already knew that's what would happen. Even if the first guy massively impressed, they weren't getting appointed until the process is done. The fact that they're continuing with that process doesn't mean anyone is hanging on for anyone.

 

[sullydnl]

In Enrique's case waiting for the City job would seem a no brainer. Suited to the squad he'd inherit and the timing lines up if Pep is leaving at the end of next season.

 

[Revaulx]

Okay 2 clubs. Real Madrid CEO is a former footballer? Liverpool? Chelsea? Man City? Juve?

Are you clueless to what is happening? Fletcher is Technical director along with Rangnick consulting and helping in the background? are you failing to grasp this?

No, he isn't lying, its not up to him to tell us what the role of Fletcher is.

So does that mean you think Fabrizio is a liar? or you only believe him when it supports your argument?

The club have made a rod for their own back (and Fletcher’s) by giving him that title.

I’m well aware of his job description and have no problem with him being in that role at all.

There’s no way it’s a role that deserves the title Technical Director though. Unless it’s to give him credibility to potential signings’ clubs and agents.

We’ve only once prised a manager away from another club - moyes. Everyone else has been a free agent, because compensation.

The links to the board wanting Poch go quite a way back and he was definitely lined up before Ole went on a great run and was given the permanent role. I thought that was almost universally accepted?

If we appoint ETH I’ll happily eat my words but forgive me for being less than confident given our recent history of appointments and the noise that has been around for a long time re Poch.

Is it the money? We paid £130m for Harry and AWB, so we aren’t exactly watching the pennies.

Or is it because prising someone away might involve nasty negotiations and potentially falling out with people?

I’m not saying you’re wrong, but it seems to me that it’s more down to an unwillingness to rock the boat and cause unpleasantness than a desire to be mean.