Because he reportedly wants to move on this summer and United will be the only big club with a vacancy to contend with. If we fall out of top 4, these other clubs will feel they have half a chance.
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It all sounds very impressive and the point of my post was not to knock ETH....as I said, I voted for him in the poll.
My concern is, whilst all of that stuff about Utrecht sounds great, you could write a similarly glowing piece about someone like Pochettino....or even Eddie Howe!
I suppose my worry is that not much about scrapping around the free transfer and loan market will prepare him to manage the likes of Ronaldo, Pogba and Varane.
If we DO go for ETH, we're going to have to give him a huge amount of control and authority to implement his will, style and vision
Conte could feck off at any time.
The managers are to blame because they buy these players who do not fit into a team. yes Jose was short term and he should have never been hired and so too Ole. LVG may have done something given some time.
This teams needs to be culled just as SAF did and start all over again and ETH may be the best man to do it. I do not care if we win any trophies in the next two to three years so long as we see progress in the way we play football and eventually get there.
Don’t confuse stability for stagnation. Stable clubs can still move forward and achieve success. Arsenal stagnated under Wenger at the end of his reign which is why they won the square root of bugger all.
I don’t think Leicester are a good example of stability either. They have had 4 managers since they won the league 6 years ago. They have hit a ceiling because their squad isn’t good enough to deal with European football. It’s new to them and they will evolve but for now it’s a balance as to whether it’s a bonus or a hinderance.
I also don’t agree about Liverpool and city. Sure a great head coach is a big plus, but they both have a stable and experience hierarchy behind the manager which sets the agenda for the manager to follow. It’s that football structure of CEO, DOF, recruitment etc that we are building and the new manager is the final piece. Time will tell if we have made the right appointments from the top down including Arnold, Murtough, RR and the new manager.
I agree with your point but not about Liverpool as before Klopp they were like us now and there owners and board were wanted out. The Glazers are hated but if we got ETH and started winning again while continuing to spend the money we do then they wouldn’t be hated.
No, you can't because unlike those 2, Ten Hag was never sacked. Every single job he had, he left much better off than what he inherited. He is the only manager out there that doesn't have a "failure" as of yet. Go ahead Eagle - promoted. Bayern II - highest win rate in their history at 67%. Utrecht - you already read the piece. Ajax - transformed them from a big team in the Netherlands, to a really good CL team.
If we compare it to someone like Poch who almost relegated Espanyol and got sacked, had a decent 1 season at Soton, took Spurs from 5th to 3rd on a net spend bigger than Chelsea's and then got sacked and left them in a much worse state. And apparently PSG doesn't count for some reason.
Let's be real here. The only thing Poch has over ETH is the fact that he managed in the EPL. That's about it really.
What I am arguing mate is the negativity for the sake of negativity. I'm just saying that's how things are. It's reality. No need to be overly negative.
It’s not really about the glazers, it’s about Arnold, Murtough, Fletcher etc We need that football hierarchy to be right as a foundation for the manager to succeed- and also to oversee a philosophy so whoever is the manager the team plays a consistent style of winning football and we don’t have to have a total rebuild every time we change coach. The manager should fit the club philosophy not the club fitting the managers. That’s what I mean by stability and continuity. SAF could sell half his team and replace them with academy players because he and the board were the continuity. We don’t have that now. We are back at 2014 effectively with a new CEO and a new manager. It’s a fresh start in that regard.
Personally I don’t care if we hire ETH or Poch, (I still think it’ll be one of them) they both realistically have a great chance of success here, but it won’t be solely on the manager whether we sink or swim. And success is unlikely to happen overnight.
It wasn’t intended to be negative, like I said just realistic. I’m sorry if it read that way.
We are not elite in my opinion because we haven’t won a trophy in 5 years and it’s nearly 10 since we won the league. It’s 15 years since we win the CL. We are miles off our two biggest rivals. We are starting yet another rebuild whilst they keep rolling on, sweeping up the trophies as they go. Realistically we are in the same group as Spurs and Arsenal trying to regain elite status, and teams like WHU are fighting to replace a fallen giant like us in that group. My point was that a manager like Pochettino who was deemed only good enough for those teams could easily do a very good job here because we are a similar level.
Yes but we also need a top class manager to compete with other top class manager. I know what you mean by that we also need the structure for a top class manager to succeed. A good example was how SAF culled the team and brought in new players and how they all fitted into the team. Big name players also came and they had to fit into the team or off they go. No one was bigger than the manager or the team. That happened because the club backed the manager over any player or players.
I have my doubts over Poch. I do not think he is an elite coach like Pep, Klopp, Tuchel or ETH.
Worth a bob or two? I wouldn't be surprised to see him installed.
Knowing our club I think a bob or two is fully worth your money.
Spurs can't really advance on anyone until and unless he does so I doubt there's any remote threat there
‘thank you for your feedback’, as though you’re not posting on a public forum
I’m not a ‘glazer supporter’, I think they’re parasites and I want them out of the club, however, I do think that we’ve seen a difference since the protests and whether that will come to fruition on a lot of their promises, we’ll have to wait and see, but I’ll look at that with an open mind, because why the feck wouldn’t you…
What would you rather be happening here, out of interest? Why do you hate the club you ‘support’ so much?
I don't hate the club at all, I dislike the poor lazy culture of people acting spoilt earning crazy money, for doing very little and not taking self responsibility.
That's all I hope will change going forward.
There's a difference between jumping the gun and having a plan and executing on it. When we awarded the new contract to Ole (2021) or when we hired Ralf as our interim we should've had a plan about what would happen if things go sideways. It's clear that we didn't.
I think any rando on the internet would give you a preliminary list of managerial candidates. Managers aren't like players, there are a maybe 10-15 good managers at any given time. Ten Hag, Poch, Enrique, Flick etc. were on the Caf list right when Ole was under pressure, doesn't exactly need a lot of research.
March is late enough in the season that clubs like RM, PSG would've made a decision on their manager already. We should've conducted interviews in December given how early we sacked our coach.
I'm not worried about us not getting Ten Hag. We'll get him if we want him and I don't think any big club is seriously in for him yet. It'll be randos like Newcastle or whatever. RM have a bigger media circus than us, so the moment Ten Hag's linked to RM, we'll know. I also think we're still a pretty big name in football and can generally get our man when we really want him.
I just want the club to start planning for the contingency that Ten Hag won't work and he's too awkward / can't deal with egos in the dressing room / whatever. Start engaging to whoever is left other than Klopp and Pep. In my book that's Nagelsmann, Poch, Tuchel, Conte etc and maybe even guys like Inzhagi, Tedesco.
I think if we really lay out the red carpet for Nagelsmann, we'll get him in 2-3 years. Just be more proactive and don't wait for him to win the CL before you engage.
Wow…A manager who has never managed in any of the major leagues in Europe is the fans favourite to become the next Man United manager!!Do people even realise how much of a step up the PL is compared to the Dutch league?Do we actually want a manager who was rejected by Tottenham hotspur for christs sake?!!!
I hope the board is more sensible than the supporters on this forum.Erik ten Hag is woefully under qualified to manage Man United.
I hope the board is more sensible than the supporters on this forum.Erik ten Hag is woefully under qualified to manage Man United.
Zidane was underqualified for the Real Madrid job. Pep was underqualified for the Barca job. Mourinho was under qualified for the Chelsea job. Fergie was underqualified for the United job. ETH, given the quality of the Dutch League should not have done as well as he has in the CL using your logic.
His sides play great football. He's built two different sides and has done better than his predecessors.
yup, we should get Uncle Sam, Steve Bruce, Rafa Benitez, or Di Matteo since they all managed in a major league. Or maybe we should rehire OGS.
We're the only club in the world who can mess up a one horse race, I assure you.
March is late for interviews? Late is what Spurs did last year. It is not late when the new season only begin in June, while the pre season in July. The list don't have Pep's CV so it's only fair we don't make the decision in December. In December, we would have prefer Poch over ETH, as the season progress, now ETH is the favourite. Given how limited their achievement in their CV, Manager's performance could also change things.I’m a manager
Based on recent discussion, I can't always take your words seriously though, so yeah I know that's a joke.
Be a bit harsh of Newcastle getting rid of Eddie Howe after managing to get them mid table and being on a good run of form. He deserves another year there with some quality signings before they replace him with another manager. Can’t see ten Hag joining them anyway, he’d easily get a top job even if it’s not with us. Think the only prem team he’d join is us, city or liverpool. He already rejected spurs last season.
Genuinely one of the worst posts on this forum if legit and not a wum
Previous 3 season when we went 5th, 3rd, and then 2nd.
This season been muck but absolutely bizarre you claiming westham have been showing this body of work and pulling for the same cause and showing they more elite over this last while, at same time claiming we haven't shown it in a long time, while also being behind us in supposedly our worse season ever.
Comedy how shite we been and spurs and arsenal and westham who have been similar for last few seasons are now the creme, while being miles off the top 2 just like us
Apprently Ten Hag and Poch both prefer other destinations as they don’t understand the current structure at the club however one of them is likely to be offered the job.
You really need to go read my OP again fella, cos you’re making up shite and putting words in my mouth.Previous 3 season when we went 5th, 3rd, and then 2nd.
This season been muck but absolutely bizarre you claiming westham have been showing this body of work and pulling for the same cause and showing they more elite over this last while, at same time claiming we haven't shown it in a long time, while also being behind us in supposedly our worse season ever.
Comedy how shite we been and spurs and arsenal and westham who have been similar for last few seasons are now the creme, while being miles off the top 2 just like us
The alternative is a manager who was sacked by Tottenham! Pick your poison.
Leipzig have picked up haven't they?
Based on what exactly?
Imagine if we got turned down for Leicester. There again it would say something about how managers perceive the two clubs are run.
Who do you suggest then? Klopp and guardiola never managed in the prem but look how there doing. I get that they was at decent leagues before hand but it’s not just about that. Ajax dominated there CL group games which included games against Dortmund who are from Germany. No one knows how well ten Hag will do in the prem until it happens. It’s a big risk but he’s the best option out there.
You said they ahead at the moment, and then gave a reason for westham being ahead. I've literally replied to that reasoning.
Think I read them clearly
Any source for this tittle-tattle?
ABU desinformation, else it would be sourced.
Would be 4D chess from Rangnick to tell Leipzig to force United's hand.
The question on the next appointment should based on the football we want to play for the foreseeable future. That will determine who we appoint now, who we appoint later if it doesn't work, and the players we bring in. It's the reason I voted for ETH.
I have a feeling he will do well here, but even if he doesn't I feel the football he instilled is what we should want.
It's good we didn't for conte, that would have been a let's get too 4 appointment
I have a feeling he will do well here, but even if he doesn't I feel the football he instilled is what we should want.
It's good we didn't for conte, that would have been a let's get too 4 appointment
So does that mean any manager that has ever managed in the Premier League is more suited to the job than Ten Hag? Should we hire Mark Hughes then since he's obviously a better manager because he's more qualified? But the real question is can we afford the compensation to prize him away from Bradford in league 2.
This whole Premier League experience stuff is a complete myth, a good manager can adapt to any league and do well. Pep, Klopp, Tuchel, Conte, they're the best managers in the Prem over the last 10 years and none of them had any experience here before arriving. But they adapted to the league as any good manager or player is able to do and Pep finished 4th in his first season, adapted and since has created one of the most dominant sides the Premier League has seen. Yes the league is a step up from the Dutch league but Ten Hag has proven himself a very good manager who should very easily be able to make the step up and adapt. And by your own definition we shouldn't of gotten Fergie then since the Scottish league is an even further step down than the Dutch league which means he was completely unqualified for the job right?
Relax.
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