Next permanent manager | Poll updated

Who should be the next permanent manager?

  • Luis Enrique

    Votes: 113 7.4%

  • Erik ten Hag

    Votes: 1,300 84.7%

  • Julen Lopetegui

    Votes: 10 0.7%

  • Mauricio Pochettino

    Votes: 79 5.1%

  • None of the above

    Votes: 32 2.1%
  • Total voters
    1,534
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Where do we go from here then, Ajax somehow letting us talk to ETH before the end of the season, but zero prospect of doing the same with Poch, Enrique a non starter, and Lopetegui just seems to be making up the numbers.

For all United want us to think they're doing their homework this time, it seems like a one horse race.
 
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Judas said:
Who do you think it would be instead? I'd be staggered if it's anyone else, I just can't see it.
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No, that's my point, I can't see anyone else we'd go for either. I think we'll get no one, the structure seems murkier than ever with Ralf, because feck knows where he fits in and how would anyone know where they fit in as a manager currently.

I may be looking into things that aren't there, but I think both Poch and ETH camps appear to be distancing themselves a bit and they've supposedly had interviews - doesn't bode well in my opinion.
 
sewey89 said:
fecking hell :lol:
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Rilz said:
West Ham ?!
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Judas said:
Genuinely why are there so many self loathing supposed Utd fans on here now? What joy do you get from this interest when you’re such a misery about it.
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What a bunch of stupid replies. Nothing to do with self loathing, just realism.
We were supposed to challenge for a trophy this season and it’s arguably been the worst since 2013. The squad was the strongest and best since then too at the start of the season but now we need a rebuilt and total overhaul?
And we’re interviewing for our 7th manager in 9 years. Whatever we do and whoever we hire it’s going to take YEARS to challenge, and that’s fine because I’ll be supporting whatever comes, but let’s cut the halfwitted jovial one liners and call a spade a spade shall we.
We are fighting for top 4. Can’t even get a cup run going. That’s what we are - same as those clubs mentioned. And Pochettino although he isn’t fashionable anymore did a very good job with Spurs to get them regularly challenging at the top of the league and going deep in the CL. I’d expect the same from him were he hired here, that’s all I was saying.
 
Plant0x84 said:
Hate to break it to you but all 3 of these teams are ahead of United at the moment. We aren’t elite anymore and won’t be for some time.
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You're absolutely wrong! I cant imagine anyone who if they heard that United, Arsenal, Spurs or West Ham were in for them would not choose United first.
 
Slow news day here on Caf judging how some people are dooming.

One thing I don't understand is that why the feck do you need to interview 50 billion candidates. The boards pandering to fans need to stop. Get your main target and go after him 100%. At the same time, contact target B and let him know that he might be up in case target A tells us no. It's simple as 1,2,3.

This whole let's interview X amount of managers to make an informed decision is bollocks. You've had a good half a year to analyze all the date to come to an informed opinion. I understand the new board wants to show "they are different" from the "old one". But for fecks sake, pick a target and go for it. None of dilly dally nonsense.

Wtf are these managers going to say in their interview that "will change" our boards mind? The best interview is looking at their performances with their current/ex-teams and making an informed decision.
 
RedPed said:
You're absolutely wrong! I cant imagine anyone who if they heard that United, Arsenal, Spurs or West Ham were in for them would not choose United first.
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Not the point I was making. We are fighting for top 4 with all of the three clubs mentioned and there’s a real prospect of finishing this torrid season below all of them in the league.
 
Plant0x84 said:
What a bunch of stupid replies. Nothing to do with self loathing, just realism.
We were supposed to challenge for a trophy this season and it’s arguably been the worst since 2013. The squad was the strongest and best since then too at the start of the season but now we need a rebuilt and total overhaul?
And we’re interviewing for our 7th manager in 9 years. Whatever we do and whoever we hire it’s going to take YEARS to challenge, and that’s fine because I’ll be supporting whatever comes, but let’s cut the halfwitted jovial one liners and call a spade a spade shall we.
We are fighting for top 4. Can’t even get a cup run going. That’s what we are - same as those clubs mentioned. And Pochettino although he isn’t fashionable anymore did a very good job with Spurs to get them regularly challenging at the top of the league and going deep in the CL. I’d expect the same from him were he hired here, that’s all I was saying.
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Hate to break to you, but that's how real life football works. Giants fall and other teams emerge in their place.

Also SAF sheltered a good portion of the fan base. Managers that stay more than 2 years are the exception, rather than the norm. The fact that we are on 5 managers in 9 years(interims don't count) just shows what real life football is. Liverpool and City aside, all the other teams had to do the same. Juve, Barca, Real, Milan and a host of others have done the exact same thing. Even well run clubs like Spurs, Chelsea and Bayern are on their what now 4-5 manager. The difference is their league isn't as competitive as the PL is and their boards are more football oriented than ours. That's it.
 
Mickeza said:


Leipzig and Spurs (if Conte isn’t happy)?
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Personally I think this is ETH's entourage putting a bit of pressure on United to hurry the feck up. Otherwise we would have known who these clubs were.

I doubt it's Spurs considering Conte hans't even been there for a full season.
 
Interesting poll....I voted for ETH but I'm not really sure why if I am honest.

What do I know about ETH or his Ajax team? Not much really. What do I know about his style or persona? Again, not much. What do I know about the Eredivisie? Nothing.

I imagine the same applies to most of us in this forum if we're really honest with ourselves. How many Ajax/Eredivisie games have any of us watched?

I'm concerned that I am being influenced by the media here. Pochettino is a very, very good manager...we should be under absolutely no illusions about that. Lets say the roles were reversed and Pochettino had spent the last few seasons manaing in the Eredivisie...would he have done better, worse or about the same?

Likewise, if ETH had spent the last few seasons managing Southampton, Spurs and PSG, would he have done better than Pochettino? I think its unlikely he would have done better personally.

So....dunno really...I am confused myself. Are we getting carried away by ETH? What about his CV suggests we're potentially getting an elite manager? Why are we seemingly dead against Pochettino? Are we being carried away again?
 
Plant0x84 said:
Not the point I was making. We are fighting for top 4 with all of the three clubs mentioned and there’s a real prospect of finishing this torrid season below all of them in the league.
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All I want is for you to explain to me how West Ham “are ahead of united at the moment”

Genuinely bonkers comment
 
Lentwood said:
Interesting poll....I voted for ETH but I'm not really sure why if I am honest.

What do I know about ETH or his Ajax team? Not much really. What do I know about his style or persona? Again, not much. What do I know about the Eredivisie? Nothing.

I imagine the same applies to most of us in this forum if we're really honest with ourselves. How many Ajax/Eredivisie games have any of us watched?

I'm concerned that I am being influenced by the media here. Pochettino is a very, very good manager...we should be under absolutely no illusions about that. Lets say the roles were reversed and Pochettino had spent the last few seasons manaing in the Eredivisie...would he have done better, worse or about the same?

Likewise, if ETH had spent the last few seasons managing Southampton, Spurs and PSG, would he have done better than Pochettino? I think its unlikely he would have done better personally.

So....dunno really...I am confused myself. Are we getting carried away by ETH? What about his CV suggests we're potentially getting an elite manager? Why are we seemingly dead against Pochettino? Are we being carried away again?
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Do yourself a favor and just read this. It won't answer all your questions, but it will give you a much better insight into what ETH did prior to Ajax.
 
Plant0x84 said:
Not the point I was making. We are fighting for top 4 with all of the three clubs mentioned and there’s a real prospect of finishing this torrid season below all of them in the league.
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That's exactly the point you were making. You clearly said we're not elite level anymore and those clubs are ahead of us. So it stands to reason that players would go to those clubs first.

Or are you just backtracking now??
 
Rilz said:
All I want is for you to explain to me how West Ham “are ahead of united at the moment”

Genuinely bonkers comment
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I’ll give you two words. Stability. Continuity.
WHU are a team that was perennially yo-yoing between promotion and relegation - and now they have a settled squad, they are pushing top four and going deep in Europe. They have been able to build year on year with a clear vision and everybody together pulling in one direction. When was the last time you could claim that about United?
 
Plant0x84 said:
I’ll give you two words. Stability. Continuity.
WHU are a team that was perennially yo-yoing between promotion and relegation - and now they have a settled squad, they are pushing top four and going deep in Europe. They have been able to build year on year with a clear vision and everybody together pulling in one direction. When was the last time you could claim that about United?
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So you have found a few subjective opinion based claims that you feel make them a better club than us?

Any actual objective facts to back up your opinion?
 
If you were a top manager would you take the United job? Obviously it has its perks as if you are the person to make us a elite club again you will be a hero but the job required to do that is monumental
 
Caesar2290 said:
Hate to break to you, but that's how real life football works. Giants fall and other teams emerge in their place.

Also SAF sheltered a good portion of the fan base. Managers that stay more than 2 years are the exception, rather than the norm. The fact that we are on 5 managers in 9 years(interims don't count) just shows what real life football is. Liverpool and City aside, all the other teams had to do the same. Juve, Barca, Real, Milan and a host of others have done the exact same thing. Even well run clubs like Spurs, Chelsea and Bayern are on their what now 4-5 manager. The difference is their league isn't as competitive as the PL is and their boards are more football oriented than ours. That's it.
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Confused because you seem to be trying to argue against me but you have agreed with what I said. Tell the guys I posted, you’re not breaking anything to me. I get it. That was my point. We are starting from scratch next season under a new manager. Although I’d argue that the other clubs have a philosophy they follow rather than flip flopping from manager to manager ripping it up and starting over every time they do. Continuity.
 
Plant0x84 said:
I’ll give you two words. Stability. Continuity.
WHU are a team that was perennially yo-yoing between promotion and relegation - and now they have a settled squad, they are pushing top four and going deep in Europe. They have been able to build year on year with a clear vision and everybody together pulling in one direction. When was the last time you could claim that about United?
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While our board has been awful for years we are spending money and put together a good squad. We lack a top manager who can utilise the players while adding their own and with a style of play.
Moyes has done well at West Ham but in all he has no expectations and seems to have a good group of players.
 
Plant0x84 said:
What a bunch of stupid replies. Nothing to do with self loathing, just realism.
We were supposed to challenge for a trophy this season and it’s arguably been the worst since 2013. The squad was the strongest and best since then too at the start of the season but now we need a rebuilt and total overhaul?
And we’re interviewing for our 7th manager in 9 years. Whatever we do and whoever we hire it’s going to take YEARS to challenge, and that’s fine because I’ll be supporting whatever comes, but let’s cut the halfwitted jovial one liners and call a spade a spade shall we.
We are fighting for top 4. Can’t even get a cup run going. That’s what we are - same as those clubs mentioned. And Pochettino although he isn’t fashionable anymore did a very good job with Spurs to get them regularly challenging at the top of the league and going deep in the CL. I’d expect the same from him were he hired here, that’s all I was saying.
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That’s not what you said though.. you said they were all ahead of us and said we’re not elite. You insinuated that West Ham are a bigger/better club than Manchester United for feck sake
 
::sonny:: said:
Bald managers are good I heard
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Yes what is this with bald managers? Pep, ETH, Zidane, and the Feyenoord manager Arnie Slot?

I saw the way Ajax play and forget Ten 10 Hag. 20 or 30 Hag is not going to get this lot play football like that. Most of the time, Ajax pass to a team mate in a better position and knows how to move and create space and pass into space and everyone seems to know what they are supposed to do. This lot will try to be selfish and show off and lose the ball always. If he tries to get them to play the way he wants they will down tools and throw him not only under the bus but the train too. And leak stories to the press as well.
 
Caesar2290 said:
Personally I think this is ETH's entourage putting a bit of pressure on United to hurry the feck up. Otherwise we would have known who these clubs were.

I doubt it's Spurs considering Conte hans't even been there for a full season.
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I hope this is the case, but as one of your previous posts mentions, it's a bit worrying that there is no real consensus on who we even want. Are we really going to judge who's better based on who does the better PowerPoint presentation?
 
Caesar2290 said:
Hate to break to you, but that's how real life football works. Giants fall and other teams emerge in their place.

Also SAF sheltered a good portion of the fan base. Managers that stay more than 2 years are the exception, rather than the norm. The fact that we are on 5 managers in 9 years(interims don't count) just shows what real life football is. Liverpool and City aside, all the other teams had to do the same. Juve, Barca, Real, Milan and a host of others have done the exact same thing. Even well run clubs like Spurs, Chelsea and Bayern are on their what now 4-5 manager. The difference is their league isn't as competitive as the PL is and their boards are more football oriented than ours. That's it.
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Nail on the head. Said it before it’s because SAF was so good that people seem to look for a manager for 10 years but don’t understand that is not a thing anymore.
You either get a gen like Pep and Klopp or do a Real and Chelsea where you sack constantly. All top teams in Europe sack there managers regularly and the fact we have only done 4 in 9 years is good.

This also leads us to not sacking when it’s obviously the right thing to do. We wait til top 4 is gone or in the dumps. Jose was successful here but he was in meltdown for ages before being sacked and Ole should of went after Liverpool or at least City but nope we do it late
 
Mickeza said:


Leipzig and Spurs (if Conte isn’t happy)?
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If a club were actually interested and or as advanced as us, we would know who it was.

This stinks of the Dutch camp for ETH giving inside info thats propping up his stock in a bid to better chances for the United role.

I am sure Newcastle would take him or even Spurs if Conte leaves. I strongly doubt either is near as advanced in any pursuit though. Same for any German club.
 
432JuanMata said:
While our board has been awful for years we are spending money and put together a good squad. We lack a top manager who can utilise the players while adding their own and with a style of play.
Moyes has done well at West Ham but in all he has no expectations and seems to have a good group of players.
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You think WHU don’t set expectations? The board, players, fans etc expect nothing of there team? Okay. Sure.
Again I come back to the stability point - we are potentially on the verge of an absolute exodus of players this summer. It will take time for players and manager to bed in and establish - we are unlikely to see over night success. Therefore WHU, Spurs and Arsenal are ahead in the process and that much closer to the success we crave.
 
Caesar2290 said:
Do yourself a favor and just read this. It won't answer all your questions, but it will give you a much better insight into what ETH did prior to Ajax.
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The part about his time at Bayern II is factually incorrect, he didn't "successfully manage to fight for promotion" - he did win the 4th division but lost the promotion playoff. In his second season, he came 2nd.
Bayern II only got promoted to 3rd division four years after Ten Hag had left.
 
VP89 said:
If a club were actually interested and or as advanced as us, we would know who it was.

This stinks of the Dutch camp for ETH giving inside info thats propping up his stock in a bid to better chances for the United role.

I am sure Newcastle would take him or even Spurs if Conte leaves. I strongly doubt either is near as advanced in any pursuit though. Same for any German club.
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Why should they bother? ETH is going to get a good job at any of the top clubs in Europe even if he does not get the job at United this season.
 
Plant0x84 said:
You think WHU don’t set expectations? The board, players, fans etc expect nothing of there team? Okay. Sure.
Again I come back to the stability point - we are potentially on the verge of an absolute exodus of players this summer. It will take time for players and manager to bed in and establish - we are unlikely to see over night success. Therefore WHU, Spurs and Arsenal are ahead in the process and that much closer to the success we crave.
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But that’s the problem with stability is West Ham are having the season of their life’s but they have no chance of doing better in the coming season. Before this season Leicester we’re the ultimate stability team and they got 5/6th consistently but that was the max.
Arsenal under Wenger in the last few season or Poch at Spurs is stability but also there max.
We are different as other than challenging is considered failure.
City and Liverpool success is having the best managers in the game and if we get a top manager we will improve
 
Foxbatt said:
Why should they bother? ETH is going to get a good job at any of the top clubs in Europe even if he does not get the job at United this season.
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Yeah if i was running Dortmund or Newcastle I'd probably have him #1 on my list for next year.
 
Plant0x84 said:
we are potentially on the verge of an absolute exodus of players this summer. It will take time for players and manager to bed in and establish - we are unlikely to see over night success. Therefore WHU, Spurs and Arsenal are ahead in the process and that much closer to the success we crave.
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It's just hard to take. But you're right. Our fans have unrealistic thoughts about our potential, and have had so for several years. We have to stop kidding ourselves when it comes to realistic trophy targets. Sure, we've had some good players post Fergie, but we've not had a real team since then. I am no longer blaming the managers. The players and the composition in the last 10 years has been poor.

I know we keep talking about giving managers time to build a team. And that's how it should be - again. We want to win the league of course, but we have to accept that the two best managers in the world are spoken for at the moment. We can't keep blaming our managers for our demise. There are so many factors to consider.
 
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