No. He got to a CL semi-final last year, beat City this year, dominated Madrid for 3/4s of the tie and is about to win the league by 16 points. His first league title. What the feck does trending downwards mean? ETHs best season at Ajax was his first. They’re 2 points clear at the top of the league and have relied on last minute winners in their last 3 games - is he trending downwards? If we hire him and they then lose the league should we then sack him? Klopp had Dortmund in a relegation battle for half a season then mutually left the club - was he trending downwards? Ancelotti was doing shite at Everton - now he’s about to win the league - was he trending downwards? David Moyes was a laughing stock after Sociedad and Sunderland - was he trending downwards before he did a great job at West Ham? Every single manager who gets sacked trend downwards at that point - SAF was sacked numerous times - was he trending downwards? Ole beat Tuchel in a CL tie at PSG with half his squad missing - is Tuchel a bottler? Or was he a bottler who then became not a bottler at Chelsea? It’s all total bollocks looking at individual games or certain elements of someone’s career to fit already pre-conceived notions. Pochetino is a very strong candidate. ETH is a very strong candidate. This constant nonsense about Pochetino is a yes man or the board are totally incompetent if they don’t hire ETH or whatever the latest conspiracy bullshit the e-reds are pushing for clicks is nothing short of infuriating. You prefer ETH - I prefer Enrique - if they hire Pochetino it isn’t an outrage. There’s logic with all of the shortlisted candidates. The club are going to interview the candidates they want to interview, they’ll speak to former players/colleagues of those candidates and they’ll complete the process before hiring the person they think is the right fit for the job. It’s that simple. No conspiracies. No obsessions.
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I still think Poch could do well at a big club, yet to be proven obviously.
However, this so bad that they hired Mourinho, I can't get onboard with. It's a bit lazy and is essentially meaningless when your discussing the merits of another manager. Plenty of people were deluded enough to think Mourinho could still be the man and Levy was one of them.
A lot of noise coming from both PSG and United.
Makes me think Poch is number 1 target.
PSG won't sack him because they expect a payment from United soon.
Glazers don't wanna pay for him.
Makes me think Poch is number 1 target.
PSG won't sack him because they expect a payment from United soon.
Glazers don't wanna pay for him.
Caf just likes to moan
If we didn't follow a due process then scattergun panic buying, if we do slow bureaucratic mess.
Its absolutely the right call to interview multiple candidates and figure out what they plan on implementing. For once the board is doing the smart thing.
A smart yet quite familiar thing too , yet fans think this process shouldn't be the way to run a massive sports organisation.
Its quite amusing.
They want the shiny new toy and they want it now.
If it ends up in a stand off it could be disastrous for us. We lose ETH and then we might lose face with having to pay compensation in desperation for Poch anyway. It's not that I would be completely against Poch, but it will just give people another reason to have a go at the club.
Totally just dismissing the fact Ajax are In middle of tight title race......but it's a plot and a hidden agenda to get Poch in involving big scheme and front, in the hope PSG sack Poch, the amount of Variables here
You can't think the board are totally clueless and them at same time think they can dream up these plots to fool everyone, doesn't work like that
You're right, he did. Bad example, I'm recovering from covid here so that's my excuse
He also seemed to have stopped them being bottlers for a while which they reverted straight back to.
Ajax already have a set fee which is quite low. €5m.
A club like PSG giving us the permission to speak to him is an indication they want rid. Would Bayern give us permission to speak to Naglesmann? We in turn won't pay an exorbitant fee for someone we know his employers want rid of.
If we are serious about having a new guy in place before the season ends, it will be ETH.
1 story. The same amount of noise has come out about Ten Hag.
The cynical side of me thinks the club also want to gauge fan sentiment as they do love their social media impressions.
I think they know TH is fans choice.
Problem is, they will always do what they want because they still think everything they have done in last 10 years is the right approach.
PSG couldn't give less of a shit about a few million for Poch. He hasn't been sacked because there is no point. PSG should still win the league and Poch can move on at the end of the season.
You seem to think it's a good idea and the right approach to go with the fans favourite.
Surely we need a proper process here?
Yup, one tweet and its all obvious what's happening, fekin hell.
Have you ever been to a job interview?
I am glad to see the club actually following a thorough process to find the next manager, something they haven't done since Fergie retired. I think ETH is easily the best option given that Enrique is with Spain so I have voted for him.
Imagine being so cynical and hating the club that you 'support' so much that you actually think United are doing something wrong here.
I have one problem with the process. It's being implemented by people with a terrible track record.
That being said, if you have two candidates that are about equal, you would always make the most popular decision.
this conspiracy theory about United only wanting Poch is genuinely mental
I understand a lot of people's skepticism about what we're doing right now as we're actually doing what we're supposed to be doing. Sounding out and interviewing candidates rather than just immediately going for the first option available. I do really want Ten Hag but it's worth doing our due diligence especially if another candidate interviews really well.
If Woodward was still in control i would agree that this is PR fluff and he only wants Poch but wants the fans to know he made an "effort" for Ten Hag, but i'm willing to give Murtough and Fletcher the benefit of the doubt and trust they want to do thing different. But if they do go for Poch then the cynic in me will start wondering if indeed nothing has changed since Poch is supposedly the Glazer's choice.
If Woodward was still in control i would agree that this is PR fluff and he only wants Poch but wants the fans to know he made an "effort" for Ten Hag, but i'm willing to give Murtough and Fletcher the benefit of the doubt and trust they want to do thing different. But if they do go for Poch then the cynic in me will start wondering if indeed nothing has changed since Poch is supposedly the Glazer's choice.
Is it? I didn’t realise Murtaugh and Fletcher chose our last managers. Interesting.
Which ones and were they involved in appointing any of the last three managers?
I just love this kind of lazy takes.
You didn't put much thought into this. Terrible post.
Haven’t seen much of Ajax play so don’t really know much about ETH and he’s clearly the fan favourite here. However I doubt many people really know much about him and are just regurgitating a few select others opinions to the point that it’s now become certain things about him and his style of play are now facts ! I’m a bit wary as lots of people were dying to get Ralph in after probably watching 1 YouTube video of him explaining football whilst I do like him and his manner he’s not really shown much of an improvement on the pitch yet ..
Having said this , based on what I’ve read / heard ETH does sounds very exciting and I really hope the fans have some patience. If we saw a real improvement in our style football regardless of results I’d be delighted after year 1.
I think Poch has done ok at PSG but that’s not a very good gauge of a manager imo, many would struggle there and he’s hugely disrespected here. I would like to see how he does at a top club with resources to back him, people seem to forget he did well with spurs for goodness sake not Man City or Chelsea !
Also Enrique , not sure about him, Spain bored me to tears in the euros and they were very lucky to get as far as they did. He won a treble with Barcelona which is fantastic achievement however he inherited a tremendous side who were so well drilled and knew exactly what to do by the time he took over how much can really be accredited to him ?
Having said this , based on what I’ve read / heard ETH does sounds very exciting and I really hope the fans have some patience. If we saw a real improvement in our style football regardless of results I’d be delighted after year 1.
I think Poch has done ok at PSG but that’s not a very good gauge of a manager imo, many would struggle there and he’s hugely disrespected here. I would like to see how he does at a top club with resources to back him, people seem to forget he did well with spurs for goodness sake not Man City or Chelsea !
Also Enrique , not sure about him, Spain bored me to tears in the euros and they were very lucky to get as far as they did. He won a treble with Barcelona which is fantastic achievement however he inherited a tremendous side who were so well drilled and knew exactly what to do by the time he took over how much can really be accredited to him ?
Arnold, Murtough and Fletcher have a bad track record appointing managers?
What baffles me is that people really think this time it will be different.
Murtaugh was appointed by Moyes in 2013. He's had 9 years in Woodward's ear.
Do you trust the Glazers to do anything right?
Do you really believe they have no say in this?
The only saving grace I can salvage is Murtough was supposedly instrumental in bringing in Rangnick, which for the club was a positively uncharacteristic appointment. I'm hoping he's immune to our bizarre obsession with Poch and goes progressive with Ten Hag.
Pack it up guys, its all over.
I agree that Rangnick's appointment seemed very sensible for our board.
I also like the way Rangnick has said in press conferences; that building a top team is easy, you just need a style of play to build everything around.
What doesn't fill me with confidence is the man with the final say in everything, Joel Glazer.
Either Ten Haag or Poch would be acceptable. I'd prefer Ten Haag as Poch's big games record is questionable.
Enrique would be my number one choice and I voted for him.
So long as we don't end up paying huge compensation fee to PSG for Poch. That outcome would have shades of Fellaini transfer debacle and would again make us a laughing stock.
Enrique would be my number one choice and I voted for him.
So long as we don't end up paying huge compensation fee to PSG for Poch. That outcome would have shades of Fellaini transfer debacle and would again make us a laughing stock.
what evidence is there that there's a 'bizarre obsession' other than stories about him AND Ten Hag being the favourites for the job?
also, if there was an ' Obsession' surely he would of been given the job by now? as he was in the running when Mourinho, and Ole both got given the jobs...
What baffles me is people thinking it doesn't change things.
If you are an employee, working under someone, they are in charge to carry out tasks their way.
When you get promoted, if you want to be that is, you clearly have ambition and different ways of thinking and your own way of running things. This is why assistant managers go apply for a managerial job, so they can do things their way.
The Glazers do not run the club on a daily basis, the glazers DO NOT scout players, they do not decide who should be signed or not.
You're coming to conclusions without knowing how the hiring process works and who made the big decisions. Murtough and particularly Fletcher weren't involved in that process prior.
Murtough's role overseeing the operational structure of the youth system, work in recruitment structure and role in developing the women's team put him nowhere close to the final decision making process over the managerial appointments prior to his promotion.
I think it's strange to suggest the club should pick the popular choice simply because in your eyes two of several candidates have similar qualifications. Are Ten Hag and Pochettino the only candidates? I do share your distrust of Murtough but in this case you're wrong. This is not a popularity contest, allow the club to do it's due diligence (and you should probably do some of your own).
To be honest, our supposed previous number 1 picks were such mostly for vibes than actual competence.
Moyes -
LvG - washed up. hadn’t been in club football for years
Mourinho - washed up. sacked from previous two jobs including having a title winning team languishing at 16th
Ole -
I don’t think it’s really comparable, but I do agree that there shouldn’t be an issue with the club running an interview ring process
You must be joking? No one comes to United without Joel Glazer giving the OK.
Owners are dictators, they may take your advice, they may not.
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Why would Joel Glazer be obsessed with Poch ?
It’s interesting seeing the split between some on here: on one side the club are completely incompetent and will mess this up again; and then the other side, overly optimistic things will work out, Murtough and Fletcher are class etc etc.
Could it just be that the right answer is somewhere in the middle. Let’s be real, the club can absolutely feck this up again. This is a group that have failed to build a winner for close to a decade, so those who are cynical have a valid point. However, Murtough and Fletcher are allegedly leading the negotiations and by all accounts are football men (brown nosed yes man allegations aside). Isn’t that what we all wanted after the Woodward charade? If it’s May and we’re still dithering then I’d be worried, but by all accounts the club seems to be taking a proactive approach and wanting to resolve this early.
Could it just be that the right answer is somewhere in the middle. Let’s be real, the club can absolutely feck this up again. This is a group that have failed to build a winner for close to a decade, so those who are cynical have a valid point. However, Murtough and Fletcher are allegedly leading the negotiations and by all accounts are football men (brown nosed yes man allegations aside). Isn’t that what we all wanted after the Woodward charade? If it’s May and we’re still dithering then I’d be worried, but by all accounts the club seems to be taking a proactive approach and wanting to resolve this early.
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