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[smi11ie]

I don't think it matters. It is clear that Utd's issues are higher up.

 

[yipthatman]

We are one of the biggest clubs in the world though… that doesn’t mean we’re the ‘best’ theres a difference. The new managers expectations should only be to try and make us return to the best.

I couldn't agree more mate but the stupid 'biggest club' soundbite that people spout does my head in. Maybe 20 years ago we were but not now. We have a long way to go to get back to the top. Hopefully we get Ten hag and he aces it.

 

[Tarrou]

I don't think it matters. It is clear that Utd's issues are higher up.

the club has completely changed the structure in the last few years, and got rid of Woody who was one of the main issues

in any case, whether that is all fixed or not it still definitely matters a lot which manager they appoint

 

[DULLAGHAN]

If Ten Hag really is the clubs first choice then there is no reason why the club can’t confirm and tie this move down now. It’s not unusual for a manager to announce he’ll be leaving at the end of the season. Everything with the club just feels chaotic, having Ten Hag confirmed will allow the club to start putting in plans for the new season.

He's currently the coach of a well run club who are fighting for a league title. Why would Ajax even dream of letting the bunch of clowns running our circus disrupt that?

If its Ten Hag I'd be surprised if anything is announced before they wrap up their league. Poch we may be able to get sooner as psg is as badly run as us.

 

[RkkMan]

He's currently the coach of a well run club who are fighting for a league title. Why would Ajax even dream of letting the bunch of clowns running our circus disrupt that?

If its Ten Hag I'd be surprised if anything is announced before they wrap up their league. Poch we may be able to get sooner as psg is as badly run as us.

Other way round. PSG are maniacs who rejected £200m for Mbappe who's leaving for free. They'll only let us talk to Pochettino on their terms and only when they have a replacement lined up(will take till the end of the season not sooner) as Zidane is not as easy to get for them as people think. Utd and Ajax have a very good relationship plus there's VDS with Utd ties. They'd let us speak to ETH but they probably won't allow us to announce anything till their campaign is finished

 

[DJ_21]

I couldn't agree more mate but the stupid 'biggest club' soundbite that people spout does my head in. Maybe 20 years ago we were but not now. We have a long way to go to get back to the top. Hopefully we get Ten hag and he aces it.

Hopefully mate, as long as our board make the right decision in terms of manager and then back him we should start seeing progress.

 

[jesperjaap]

One thing sticks out to me in this thread is peoples obsession with differnt managers playing styles and philosophies and how that may help them look for certain players and dismiss certain players.

I do think we are missing a very important part of what we need from a new manager and its far more simple than all of this and thats a manager with personality and MAN MANAGEMENT skills.

The greatest manager we have ever had wasnt a master technician or coah, far from it in my opinion actually. And what did he do to cover that, he hired excellent coaches and tactical ones as his number twos, Carlos Quiroz being an obvious one.

Jurgen Klopp is good technically and tactically, but that isnt his main strength. In a different way to Ferguson he is similar, it's man management of the side, having all the players clearly know what he wants from them, knowing what he needs in terms of personality and players in the transfer market.

And just look at our current side. Do people genuinely think a good coah coming in can transform this side with a coupel of additions? A part of the problem at the moment is mental weakness and attitude and individual consistency or performance.

A great man manager, with a ruthlessness to clear out the wrong players irrespective of there names or star status just as Ferguson and Klopp did early on, to have a clear idea of the types of players and attitude and personality of the players they want and to install unity and team spirit in the side for me is what we need far more than these great coaches and modern technicians. Moyes was a good tactician in terms of organisign sides at Everton, he is doing it now at West Ham, Van Gaal had clear philosphie and tactics as he showed for Holland before joining us, Mourinho was considered a great tactician years earlier, its only Ole wasnt, Ragnick and his press was lauded comign here. Yes some of these managers failed with the tactics, but I would say man managerment and ruthlessness was the biggest failure for them as managers, not tactics



Who that is, I realyl dont know, I dont see the right manager at the moment, its all timing and we had that same problem when we took Mourinho as the only option and wasnt too different with Van Gaal.

Personalyl though I dont see him coming, it would be Zidane at the moment. Dont know what his man management is like. Lets be honest he had a great side already, made a couplf of good additions though and the players all appeared on side. For me its his name which would attract players here and just a personal opinion, he is French, half the players I would love us to sign are playing in the French league, so rightly or wrongly I feel he is the more likely to target them AND attract them

 

[Kaos]

One thing sticks out to me in this thread is peoples obsession with differnt managers playing styles and philosophie and how that may help them look for certain players and dismiss certain players.

I do think we are missing a very important part of what we need from a new manager and its far more simple than all of this and thats a manager with personality and MAN MANAGEMENT skills.

The greatest manager we have ever had wasnt a master technician or coah, far from it in my opinion actually. And what did he do to cover that, he hired excellent coaches and tactical ones as his number twos, Carlos Quiroz being an obvious one.

Jurgen Klopp is good tecnically and tactically, but that isnt his main strength. In a different way to Ferguson he is similar, it's man management of the side, having all the players clearly know what he wants from them, knowing what he needs in terms of personality and players in the transfer market.

And jsut look at our current side. To people genuinely think a good coah coming in can transform this side with a coupel of additions? Apart of the problem at the moment is mental weakness and attitude and individual consistency or performance.

A gret man manager, with a ruthlessness to clear out the wrong players irrespective of there names or star status just as Ferguson and Klopp did early on, to have a clear idea of the types of players and attitude and personality of the players they want and to install unity and team spirit in the side for me is what we need far more than these great coaches and modern technicians. Moyes was a good tactician in terms of organisign sides at Everton, he is doing it now at West Ham, Van Gaal had clear philosphie and tactics as he showed for Holland before joining us, Mourinho was considered a great tactician years earlier, its only Ole wasnt, Ragnick and his press was lauded comign here. Yes some of these managers failed with the tactics, but I would say man managerment and ruthlessness was the biggest failure for them as managers, not tactics



Who that is, I realyl dont know, I dont see the right manager at the moment, its all timing and we had that same problem when we took Mourinho as the only option and wasnt too different with Van Gaal.

I think Ten Hag comes across as an excellent man manager, with a disciplinarian streak quite reminiscent of Sir Alex. His attitude of not enjoying a victory too much and focusing immediately on the next game also feels like a familiar attitude, and one we desperately need.

 

[jesperjaap]

I think Ten Hag comes across as an excellent man manager, with a disciplinarian streak quite reminiscent of Sir Alex. His attitude of not enjoying a victory too much and focusing immediately on the next game also feels like a familiar attitude, and one we desperately need.

Wellif he is the target, hope you are right. In all honesty dont know much about him apart from seeing Ajax in the champions league. But all the talk is of the palyign systems with him rather than man management, so thats all I can judge.

Its just a case for me that the playing style and philosophy with what or bloated underpeforming squad isnt what will solve our problems, certainly nto in the short term anyway. Though its important, its a manager that gets the respect and belief from the players and to the players and thats more a man management than coaching thing.

I genuinely dont think we win trophies with any "coach" in the world. Put Guardiola in charge and obviously improves us, but the attitudes and ability and intelligenve amongst many in this squad really isnt that good...I think we improve more with a running through walls, all on side mentality than a you are a number 6 or 8 etc etc as for a club this size, I think quite a few and some of them big names, arent able to adapt to that. EIther way, whoever comes in needs to clear out lots of these players and they are elped with contracts running out and players wishing to leave, so its all possible on that front this summer

 

[Adisa]

The cynical part of me thinks they do this on purpose.

 

[United in sin]

I would like Ten Hag purely for his coaching ability but have concerns over his ability to manage such a big club.

The safest option for me would be Ancelotti and those dismissing him over his time at Everton.....it was fecking Everton. Look at what he is doing now with a good but not great Madrid side. Carlo would manage egos and play good football and he has won everything and everywhere and to me the closest you can probably get to a Fergie father figure as a manager and someone players respect! Would he leave Madrid though? Probably not.

Good post. Ancelloti doesn't get enough respect around here. I think he'd more than steady the ship, he's a brilliant manager. Fergie wanted him over Moyes after his retirement but the stars didn't align.

There have been rumors about RM going for Pochettino this summer. You can never rule out Madrid firing a manager for baseless reasons but Ancelloti could win them the CL and league double. If he wins one of the two I can't see him leaving

 

[Andy_Cole]

Why do people say that we are the biggest club in the world? We are not even relevant these days on the big stage. We can't play football and we have owners that bleed us dry financially. We need to get rid of this 'biggest club' mindset for the next manager to have half a chance to rebuild and succeed as it creates unnecessary and unrealistic expectations.

Put it this way. I was in New York, 5th Avenue so absolutely central. What is the Lego store showcasing? A Lego Old Trafford. We’re still the biggest name in football. Yes we’re sleeping giants but we’re are giants. This is clear with any player joining us (even from other big clubs) and their increase in social media following. I don’t want to brag about this as I rather we were big with recent success. But this should really get us successful soon. Just need upstairs to get their act together.

As another poster mentioned. Woodward is out and he was a huge issue.

 

[l-tchang]

We should keep in mind as well that Klopp and Guardiola will leave "soon". So we might be able to become the next big team in UK if we choose the right manager that will be able to build a team ready to dominate.
Once you've said that, who do you see succeeding ? Poch or Ten Hag ? I do prefer Ten Hag because I think that his playing style could help us dominate the league.

 

[jem]

Scholes seem so out of touch whenever he speaks about United. It seems like he reads from pre written script.

I agree with some of what he says, but it's a bit much him talking about how they need to fear the manager (something I agree with), when he was constantly questioning and undermining Jose's methods.

 

[L1nk]

Some hope maybe for those who want Ten Hag

 

[STYLOISRED]

Some hope maybe for those who want Ten Hag

Amennnn!
Hold on tight sir. Don't give up on your dreams of leading your former club to glory.
Am sure we can manage with ETH.

 

[Seij]

Some hope maybe for those who want Ten Hag

It's not up to Poch to decide whether he stays. He's going to be let go this summer.

 

[Hughie77]

The Ten Hag rumours are picking up some pace, when this happens, its usually comes true, if so we need to give the guy some breathing space, he has to get a bit of wriggle room, I know as most Utd fans they will, if he does or whoever it is has a big job on his hands, I just hope hes not a pussy cat in press and side lines. As other managers get away with a lot.

 

[Jim Beam]

"We don't know who the sporting director is"

What the feck? Can anyone explain to me how not even ex-Man United player pundits acknowledge the existence of John Murtough? It's the same on here. It's so fecking weird. Crazy stuff.

And why isn't there basic fact-checking on this from, say, the anchor? How are they just sitting there spouting blatantly counterfactual BS?

Tbf, until Ole left we heavily relied on Fergie's way of running the club meaning the manager has the absolute power. They did make changes in organisational structure, but there was zero indication that our DoF has the same influence as that was the case in other clubs. Like it was there only to calm the fans.
And indeed once we hit rock bottom with Ole the club looked in shock more than the fans.

For example, I never thought Kovac was the man for Bayern and it was obviously a wrong option, but still Bayern would never allow that much power to someone like Kovac and had him there for 3 years shaping the clubs future.

Murtough influence does look stronger at the moment and hopefully we finally move from "our manager, our God" model. You obviously need a brilliant manager to run the club, but the proper structure is also vital in modern football.

 

[Adisa]

Some hope maybe for those who want Ten Hag

Personally think Ten Hag has been done for sometime.

 

[Cloud7]

Some hope maybe for those who want Ten Hag

Yes PSG. Stick by your manager.

 

[glazed]

I find it hard to listen to any of the ex-players. Sure, they clearly have passion for the club and know a lot of football trivia but I can't think of one that has a managerial brain.

Neville does I think albeit not a very good manager

Personally think Ten Hag has been done for sometime.

I think so. I also think Poch has too though. But ETH will be the one if he wants it hopefully.

 

[Giggsy13]

He’s fighting out a league title with PSV isn’t he? Don’t think it’s professional to disturb that.

What better way to announce your departure then ending off with a league title. I don't see how this de-motivates the Ajax squad, they don't have the type of bluffers we have in our squad.

 

[Giggsy13]

If ETH and Ajax don’t want to announce it because they are in a title race?

It won't make a difference. The players all collectively know he's gone, how does it de-motivate the Ajax squad to win a title before Ten Hag leaves? I doubt there is any animosity between Ten Hag and his squad on his desire to take the next step in his career. He's helped revitalize the career of many castaways and given young players an opportunity. If anything the Ajax squad will be motivated to deliver another title to him before he leaves.

 

[cj_sparky]

What better way to announce your departure then ending off with a league title. I don't see how this de-motivates the Ajax squad, they don't have the type of bluffers we have in our squad.

We didn't have bluffers in our 2001-02 squad, but Sir Alex announcing his retirement in the summer of 2001 certainly hit the squad hard for the 2001/02 season.

 

[Hansi Fick]

Tbf, until Ole left we heavily relied on Fergie's way of running the club meaning the manager has the absolute power. They did make changes in organisational structure, but there was zero indication that our DoF has the same influence as that was the case in other clubs. Like it was there only to calm the fans.
And indeed once we hit rock bottom with Ole the club looked in shock more than the fans.

For example, I never thought Kovac was the man for Bayern and it was obviously a wrong option, but still Bayern would never allow that much power to someone like Kovac and had him there for 3 years shaping the clubs future.

Murtough influence does look stronger at the moment and hopefully we finally move from "our manager, our God" model. You obviously need a brilliant manager to run the club, but the proper structure is also vital in modern football.

But, I mean, Murtough is the Football Director of Man United. The man exists, and he has the very job. Why are they ignoring that?

Hargreaves could be saying "we don't know how much power and influence the DoF really has" or "we don't know whether their DoF is the right one". Instead he says "we don't know who the sporting director is".
But .. we do. We do fecking know that. I don't get it.

 

[MrSingh2002]

I think Zidane and Pogba will be arriving at PSG at the end of the season. Zidane doesn't want to be there mid season.

I also believe United are leaking these b.s links to Ten Hag to appease the fans even though they're waiting for Poch to be sacked so they can prove that they're the cnuts they are, when they opt to install a manager that won't mean they have to conduct a playing squad or board overhaul.

Mark my words.

 

[Judas]

I think Zidane and Pogba will be arriving at PSG at the end of the season. Zidane doesn't want to be there mid season.

I also believe United are leaking these b.s links to Ten Hag to appease the fans even though they're waiting for Poch to be sacked so they can prove that they're the cnuts they are, when they opt to install a manager that won't mean they have to conduct a playing squad or board overhaul.

Mark my words.

It is not only illogical its idiotic to think the club are leaking it to appease the fans if they've got no interest in hiring him. And this is a club who do a lot of dumb dumb things. I get the negativity at the moment, but yeah just got to bed.

 

[Giggsy13]

I think Zidane and Pogba will be arriving at PSG at the end of the season. Zidane doesn't want to be there mid season.

I also believe United are leaking these b.s links to Ten Hag to appease the fans even though they're waiting for Poch to be sacked so they can prove that they're the cnuts they are, when they opt to install a manager that won't mean they have to conduct a playing squad or board overhaul.

Mark my words.

Sadly this is possible.

 

[RkkMan]

I think Zidane and Pogba will be arriving at PSG at the end of the season. Zidane doesn't want to be there mid season.

I also believe United are leaking these b.s links to Ten Hag to appease the fans even though they're waiting for Poch to be sacked so they can prove that they're the cnuts they are, when they opt to install a manager that won't mean they have to conduct a playing squad or board overhaul.

Mark my words.

Zidane rejected PSG in November around the time we tried to hire Poch. He also has very strong ties to Marseille where he's seen as an icon(they have a statue of him there) and they're PSG's biggest rivals going there as their manager will put him in a very compromising situation it's far from a guarantee he goes to Paris. It's also an open secret he's waiting for the French NT job which opens up after the WC.
As someone has said earlier it's excessively cynical to think all the ETH smoke is PR especially when you have reliable sources in Netherlands backing up the big possibility ETH manages Utd next season. If Woodward was still in charge you'd definitely put your money on Poch but it genuinely seems like the current football people want to take a different approach and sort everything out quickly ahead of the summer and ETH would be a quicker appointment in that regard and a more modern appointment. Our good relationship with Ajax means they'll let us speak to ETH but PSG won't let us speak to Poch till they have a replacement lined up and they're not close in that regard

 

[el3mel]

Ten Hag or Poch we'll still be shit next season.

 

[Sviken]

Ten Hag or Poch we'll still be shit next season.

I'm sure nobody sane here expects Ten Hag to make us challenging from the get go. It took Klopp some time to make Liveprool the force they are. Next season is a transitional one. All I want is to enjoy watching football again. That would be a good start.

 

[Bondi77]

Who are the sources for all this manager rumour crap? "We have 5 names" - yes, 5 names that anyone and their granny could pick from European football. No news whatsoever. Yawnfest from Jamie Jackson as always.

That is right, they do not have a clue.
I would be very surprised if Utd have not at least put their proposal forward to the one they want behind closed doors and are awaiting or already received the answer.

 

[DJ_21]

I'm sure nobody sane here expects Ten Hag to make us challenging from the get go. It took Klopp some time to make Liveprool the force they are. Next season is a transitional one. All I want is to enjoy watching football again. That would be a good start.

100% agree with this. First steps have got to be getting us to consistently play an exciting style of football. The trophies will soon follow.

 

[Frank Grimes]

Ten Hag or Poch we'll still be shit next season.

That's the spirit!

 

[MrSingh2002]

It is not only illogical its idiotic to think the club are leaking it to appease the fans if they've got no interest in hiring him. And this is a club who do a lot of dumb dumb things. I get the negativity at the moment, but yeah just got to bed.

***** gna ****. Keep reading and believing the Daily Mail and BBC too.

 

[Dazzmondo]

The amount of reports on ETH has increased dramatically. I feel pretty confident it's done and he's joining now tbh. Whether he will wait until end of season to take over or if he could potentially come earlier, I think this will be made official quite soon tbh. Definitely interesting that Paul Mitchell has suddenly become available also, that excites me and again I doubt the timing of that is coincidental.

 

[Nou_Camp99]

The amount of reports on ETH has increased dramatically. I feel pretty confident it's done and he's joining now tbh. Whether he will wait until end of season to take over or if he could potentially come earlier, I think this will be made official quite soon tbh. Definitely interesting that Paul Mitchell has suddenly become available also, that excites me and again I doubt the timing of that is coincidental.

Paul Mitchell famously worked with Poch at Spurs.

I wouldn't be so sure ETH is in the bag just yet. He's my preferred choice but I still feel like the club will go with Poch over him.

 

[Tarrou]

It won't make a difference. The players all collectively know he's gone, how does it de-motivate the Ajax squad to win a title before Ten Hag leaves? I doubt there is any animosity between Ten Hag and his squad on his desire to take the next step in his career. He's helped revitalize the career of many castaways and given young players an opportunity. If anything the Ajax squad will be motivated to deliver another title to him before he leaves.

that's a good point, yeah

 

[Kaos]

Paul Mitchell famously worked with Poch at Spurs.

I wouldn't be so sure ETH is in the bag just yet. He's my preferred choice but I still feel like the club will go with Poch over him.

He also worked with Rangnick in Leipzig I believe. So it could just be that.